Yeah right, it'll make things worse.... because granting people who have been discriminated against a tiny bit of the privilege that others have enjoyed for years, would be silly: Whereas if the majority group have the privilege (Both in the past and now), then that's fine is it?Blablahb said:I don't think so. All that racism does is encourage the favoured group into a learned helplessness dependancy on those benefits, while at the structural level, nothing changes.Skratt said:Unfortunately it's one of the few ways you can integrate a previously segregated people into what is considered normal society.
It's just fighting a symptom while the underlying problems remain, or even, get worse. Because the resentment you talked of is true, so the conclusion should be that affirmative action type racism only worsens the situation.
I'll make this really simple for you... Imagine you got given a bag of 10 cookies, you were supposed to share them out equally with a minority group... but you didn't. You chose instead to have nine all to yourself, while kicking the minority in the face. Now your on the last cookie, and because of how you behaved in the past, someone else has taken charge of the cookies and is giving the last one to the minority... and your saying that that's not fair?
Not even that, but your claiming that it will "encourage the minority into a learned helplessness dependency on those benefits". Are you sure about that? Because the majority are doing pretty well right now as a result of those benefits: They are certainly not helpless!! So why would giving the minority group, a little bit of privilege for once be a bad thing! Something tells me that you're just worried about losing your own privilege. You don't want to stand on equal ground with everyone else.
Well you know what to go back to the metaphor: Give them the last cookie all to themselves, because you've already had nine!! After that apologize to them, and make sure that you share the next bag!
Okay, the child abuse side of things I cant comment on, what I can say is that minorities have a much harder time of it in life than you could ever imagine: I feel scared leaving my house for a cigarette, because of the amount of times I've been beaten up, and that fear has driven me to drink like hell, just so I can manage the walk to work. It is not the culture that cause alcoholism, rather the simple fact that the rest of the world treats minorities like shit!Blablahb said:Neither is it needed to avoid anything. For one thing, I remember aboriginals in Australia showing ramping rates of alcoholism and child abuse. Both those wreck a community. What needs changing in that case is the culture which enables that; how come it's normal to drink or screw or beat your own children? How come such a thing goes unnoticed, unchanged or unpunished?
I'm not sure if that level of stress and fear could contribute to the high levels of abuse, but it wouldn't surprise me. It can certainly fuck with someone's mental well being, and that could well lead to abuse. It doesn't excuse them from what they do, but it does explain it.
You however, rather that looking at the way the majority is oppressing the minority, and seeing that the oppression could be influencing their behaviour, seem to think that because of their behaviour, they need to be oppressed even more.
That hardly counts, no one forced you to ride a bike on a Sunday, don't get me wrong: It's still fucked up, but you knew what to do in order to avoid it. I on the other hand have to put up with shit like this every signal day, whenever I leave my house. You may have been through some shit: I'm not denying that, but suffering what sounds like a fairly small amount of religious discrimination that was easy to avoid (By the sounds of it - just don't ride a bike on Sunday), is a world away from what a lot of us go through. I've been hospitalized 4 times this year, because I committed the terrible crime of walking down the street. Your entire post has indicated that you do not understand what it's like to be a minority.Blablahb said:Where I'm from, in the 80's, if you stepped on a bicycle on sunday, people would throw rocks at you, pull you off and assault you. By the 90's this had stopped and didn't occur anymore. How come? Because the culture changed. The extremist religious denomination (reformists) which controls a large part of the village lost power, the police stopped tolerating religious violence, a new generation of reformists was slightly less extremist gained more prominence in that decade due to aging and people from elsewhere with normal values also moved in bit by bit.
Right, Aboriginals right now "must not" be preserved, they're "primitive", and "don't belong in this age".... that's not fucked up at all. It's certainly not racist.... oh wait, yes it fucking is. What the hell are you on about?? I suppose next you'll be saying that being black as it is now can't be preserved!?Blablahb said:Being an aboriginal as it is now must not be preserved. That identity is constructed from a primitive culture that doesn't belong in this age, added by years of conflicts with another group, years of apathy from losing those conflicts, hostility, marginalisation and learned helplessness.
It is a bad identity and it has to die. It has to die out and become extinct, a thing of the past, and all the problems that came with it will die with it too.
What the hell are you taking? If you think that's okay to say, and is not incredibly racist and offensive, then I assume that you will not take offence at this statement: "Blablahb must not be preserved, he's primitive and does not belong in this age".
It's not nice to read is it? Kinda stings a little, so don't you dare do it to other people. And next time you make a post CHECK YOUR F***ING PRIVILEGE!!!