So the recent controversy about Channel Awesome mismanagement
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Honestly, I'd heard murmurings about CA before but this...Jesus. This might finally be the end of them.
Or, alternatively, they'll end up in the same position as the Escapist: a website/channel no-one watches anymore, save for one well-known producer (Yahtzee in the case of the Escapist, NC in the case of CA).
Or, alternatively, they'll end up in the same position as the Escapist: a website/channel no-one watches anymore, save for one well-known producer (Yahtzee in the case of the Escapist, NC in the case of CA).
Well if those creators have been dragged through shit for past few years, they probably don't care anymore. Tired of that shit, so to speak. Same deal as the Machinima/Polaris perpetual contract shenanigans back in 2013-2014. A group of people who are fed up of being taken advantage of and want to warn others that "Group X are awful people".Callate said:
I sorta feel like I should have an opinion on this but I kinda don't. I don't think the folks over at TGWTG or Channel Awesome, or however they're calling themselves, ever seemed like anything other than a bunch of nerds who are in over their heads. I watched Doug Walker back when he was still good, in the very early 10s, but even then he wasn't even the best entertainer on the site. Lindsay Ellis, Kyle Kallgren and even Todd have been making better content than him for a while now and continue to do so as independekt producers.
It's not that I don't find it a bit unfortunate that the site ended this way, for a while they seemed like they were onto something when it comes to internet based entertainment but you knkw, whatever, plenty of people doing basically they same thing they did, but better.
Still unfortunate to see what seemed like a success story end on such a depressing note but there are better things to get sad about.
It's not that I don't find it a bit unfortunate that the site ended this way, for a while they seemed like they were onto something when it comes to internet based entertainment but you knkw, whatever, plenty of people doing basically they same thing they did, but better.
Still unfortunate to see what seemed like a success story end on such a depressing note but there are better things to get sad about.
Thank you. Just want to let you know you are not alone. Youtube is slowly turning into a giant tabloid with corporate advertisements. Yeah it can be fun and exciting to get outraged at things but are our lives really so empty that people are expected to get outraged about interpersonal drama we have no stakes in? I only have so many fucks to give and there are better ways to spend my time, like not being angry over strangers being shitty to each other.Callate said:
I didn't respond to this post, but mostly because I pretty much agree with everything and didn't feel I had anything to say.Vault101 said:
Basically, it seems to me that there was a time when the central joke of a lot of youtube pop culture commentary was essentially "I'm unreasonably angry or annoyed about something which in the real world doesn't matter". Essentially, trying to copy people like the Angry Video Game Nerd because the angry video game nerd was popular at the time. CA and most of its content was very much a product of this one joke. So what you ended up with is a bunch of people who were good at one particular joke, and got super popular for doing one joke.
And yeah, like you I liked that joke in the past, but I think for an increasing number of people it's got old. Some people, as you say, adapted out of it pretty well. I don't think Lindsey Ellis or Kyle Kallgren had much trouble adapting because they never really fitted the format anyway. Others, yeah, I'm not sure they ever really had any talent beyond being angry.
While I'm not a huge Doug Walker fan & I don't want it to seem like I'm rushing to his defense, (I only really see him when he appears in the Cinema Snob's content) these allegations, with the exception of the alleged harassment, seem much ado about nothing. Most of these problems could just be solved in a few weeks with a change in management.
He was kinda funny in "Jesus, Bro".
He was kinda funny in "Jesus, Bro".
That's an extremely minor difference. It's like the people who watch tabloid news and then say "I don't care about this celebrity stuff!" They're still watching - differences in *attitude* of people watching the same thing (like "ironic" versus "sincere" attitudes) are minor, virtually irrelevant compared to people not watching versus those watching.Dansen said:
A big old "meh" from me.
Honestly most of this stuff was leaked at one point or another from various sources years ago, we're just finally getting it straight from the horses' mouths.
To Boldly Flee was pretty much the last hurrah from Channel Awesome. It was a site created to give a haven from YouTube's haphazard rules back in the day and to give people a chance to come together and make a living from making videos online. But over time YouTube actually got it's shit together and the necessity of Channel Awesome died out. CA got too big for their britches both in terms of "creators" and greed, it all came toppling down.
And let's be honest at this point none of this is really relevant anymore. If this had come out 6-8 years ago it would be massive and I'd applaud them for actually standing up and saying something. But at this point Channel Awesome is pretty much dead, it isn't the giant money making empire that it once was. And everyone pretty much moved on to other things years ago. The only thing keeping it mildly relevant is the Nostalgia Critic. At this point all of this is pretty much a fart in the wind. The saga of CA has been buried for quite some time.
Honestly most of this stuff was leaked at one point or another from various sources years ago, we're just finally getting it straight from the horses' mouths.
To Boldly Flee was pretty much the last hurrah from Channel Awesome. It was a site created to give a haven from YouTube's haphazard rules back in the day and to give people a chance to come together and make a living from making videos online. But over time YouTube actually got it's shit together and the necessity of Channel Awesome died out. CA got too big for their britches both in terms of "creators" and greed, it all came toppling down.
And let's be honest at this point none of this is really relevant anymore. If this had come out 6-8 years ago it would be massive and I'd applaud them for actually standing up and saying something. But at this point Channel Awesome is pretty much dead, it isn't the giant money making empire that it once was. And everyone pretty much moved on to other things years ago. The only thing keeping it mildly relevant is the Nostalgia Critic. At this point all of this is pretty much a fart in the wind. The saga of CA has been buried for quite some time.
You know, I'm not gonna read through the whole thing but from what I've gathered the big "controversy" is the CEO is kind of a dick and the whole thing is really not that far away from any other common workplace drama.
It?s disappointing they ended like this. I loved Nostalgia Critic/Chick and Atop the Fourth Wall. Oh well, to all things there is a season and all that.
Have they actually cancalled the Nostalgia critic? They're bleeding subs right now, but I don't think Doug is hanging up his hat. Hes too egotistical to give upGordon_4 said:
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I seem to remember rumors that Michaud was worthless as a CEO have been flying around on the down-low for years ever since Bhargo (the Ma-Ti guy) left.evilthecat said:
Dena Natali listed both of these points as reasons why she left CA last year. Right hand didn't know what the fuck the left hand was doing, and she'd pretty much had enough.
TJ Kirk harped on this hard in his little expose video over why he quit CA 6 years ago. He even said then that instead of promoting new talent on the site Michaud and Ellis were only interested in the Doug Walker Show and maybe a handful of others.
It's like the writing was on the walls for years if you knew where to look.
Much like the Escapist, it's interesting seeing the shelf-life of these websites, and how they don't simply fold up like a normal business might after reaching old age. The need for video hub websites, like CA and Escapist, was removed the moment youtube and patreon became popular, but because they are run by a few creatives who still have some form of output (and this output isn't terribly expensive to produce), they feel the need to keep going forever.
I think hub websites need to have a better way to admit they can no longer continue at the same pace. They need to have a site redesign pre-funded in the pipeline so that they can simplify the website back to something cheaper, more basic, and more able to focus on the remaining output. The Escapist might as well just switch to being the Yahtzee show, or maybe even a pure forum with all theother news feeds and front page removed.
I think hub websites need to have a better way to admit they can no longer continue at the same pace. They need to have a site redesign pre-funded in the pipeline so that they can simplify the website back to something cheaper, more basic, and more able to focus on the remaining output. The Escapist might as well just switch to being the Yahtzee show, or maybe even a pure forum with all theother news feeds and front page removed.