I'm so sorry.Smithnikov said:Meh. I listened to Tila Tequila's videos. This isn't all that startling.
I'm so sorry.Smithnikov said:Meh. I listened to Tila Tequila's videos. This isn't all that startling.
"No true Domme", am I right?kurokotetsu said:Well, considering my avatar, my title and some topics that I made and that I'm openly a proudly a DOm, I have a few things to say on this topic.
FIrst THIS GIRL IS NOT A DOMME NOR DOES REPRESENT THE BDSM COMMUNITY. Very simple. Her way of acting, her descriptio, hell her years and all she does is some virtual light humiliation plau (I have yet failed to see when she forced the guy to cry or to shave himself, a coursory glance at her tweets was unsuccesful to put blame on her rather than a codependant "sub") and from what I read of her, she is an idiot teen wih no idea of what it is or how to be a Dom. THis is like calling a bored housewife that reads Gray and posts how she wants to be dominanted a sub, an utterly ridiculous idea to anyone that practices BDSM.
Maybe if she reads, grows and is able to face a sub odown n the ground and really be a Domme to him you can discuss her conduct as something else than an idiot teen with a power fantasy that doesn't o the shit in real life. But right now, I fail to consder her anymore than a girl that knows nothing (not that she can't learn, but her attitude is pretty common in "inertnet Doms" that are just vanilla guys wiht zero idea what they are talking about).
The pleasure is all mine.kurokotetsu said:THank you questioning the moral integruity of myself and all that share my preference and by doing that also questioning the decision of my slave (a beatiful, independant and brilliant woman that I love very much and do not take kindly to any perceived insult agianst her) and showing a complete lack of respect for the poepl that have this preference. Your words are exaclty why I nhad to come out of the closet basically to show I'm not afriad of your clsoed mindness.
Considering how small, and generally private (closeted, as you yourself put it) the BDSM community is, I highly doubt they'd ever be properly represented on such polls. You have to take in mind abused partners' whose consent cannot be properly given too (such as the poor saps in the OP), I doubt they'd ever report the abuse itself.kurokotetsu said:If you are against abuse, I do wonder, how many of the cases of domestic abuse in the world are done by BDSM participants? Let's quote a couple of things:
http://ncadv.org/learn-more/statistics
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/23/domestic-violence-statistics_n_5959776.html?
Unless you are willing to say that all those cases of abuse are form BDSM practicioners (or even a majority or disporoporsionate amount) your barometer of "it can turn sour quickly [...] cause permanent damgae" is highly off and biased agianst a community that as quoted by another posetr, when practised seriously have as a mantra to taken things safely. The "suffering" you refer to although not ficticious in the sense that it does indeed hurt, it is alos enjoyed very muh by the submissive part of the equation.
Why, yes, I think people should be extremely careful/wary in who they choose as a partner in a standard vanilla relationship, as you said, bad relationships are a potential gateway to abuse. The potential severity goes up a notch when you give said partner the green light to hurt you though.kurokotetsu said:And per the same statistics, I guess you are openly against relationships in general since they "pone the door for physical and psiclogical abuse"...
Hey, simply stating where I stand here. I'm not claiming to be an expert, I'm only saying where what knowledge I have of the milieu comes from.kurokotetsu said:Also, bieng in a relationship with someone that practised BDSM does not give you a big inside look into what it is, how it is practised or anything else. Again my sub is a bisexual, and I would notclaim to know anything about bisexuality aside form hers and what she tells me.
Good on you, man.kurokotetsu said:ANd I think I said most of what I wanted to.
It might be worth sharing. I don't think it's worth drumming it up as "OH LOOK THE UBER-DRAMAZ!"DudeistBelieve said:Are we really that jaded as a society that this isn't worth me sharing the story?Fieldy409 said:What? Crazy people on the internet?!? No way!
You don't find it even a little morbidly interesting?Cap said:It's Twitter. Who cares?DudeistBelieve said:Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the first news story covered by one Philip Defranco this morning...
So basically theres this girl on Twitter named hannah (You can find her by searching "Poison Ivy Hannah") that seemingly has... these... I won't say weird, I'll say disturbing femdom like relationships with dudes. It all appears consenual by definition, after all it's all over internet/Skype.
But these guys are writing her name on their forehead. This one guy is crying because he TWEETED at a another girl... Then she made this other one shave his head and eyebrows off.
Now I'm not gonna judge others for what get their jollies off. It's a whole big world out there, ya know? But what I find disturbing is... from what little I know about this kind of relationship (having never experienced it first hand myself) is that when you're opening yourself up to get willfully get hurt by another person for pleasure theres like... Huge lines and boundaries the dom has to respect, and I think theres even some sort of expectation that after the fact the Dom has to ease the sub back into reality?
Cause it's like... regardless of if it's fantasy or not, or if it's desired behavior.... it's still abuse. If it's done incorrectly it can't seriously fuck with people.
Couple this with this girl tweeting about the romantic implications of Suicide.... kinda fucked no?
What ahhhh, what is your take on this Escapist? I went ahead and browsed her Twitter account and it's... Kinda disturbing. I'm getting a huge predatory vibe off this chick.
As always, the people with the least sexual experience are the most offended by sexual behavior.Parasondox said:Ladies and Gentlemen... nothing. Whats the outrage here? Femdom BDSM? Welcome to the internet. People have fetishes that they indulge in and this person you speak of is nothing special.
Internet outrage at internet being the internet.
Oh Im super jaded, by the standards of the internet im a tired old man lol. And it is interesting how shes managed to hook some guys with this stuff and questions about what is proper bdsm but to me, she mostly smells of being used by the internet as a real life strawman.DoPo said:It might be worth sharing. I don't think it's worth drumming it up as "OH LOOK THE UBER-DRAMAZ!"DudeistBelieve said:Are we really that jaded as a society that this isn't worth me sharing the story?Fieldy409 said:What? Crazy people on the internet?!? No way!
Fieldy409 said:You'll see Poisonivy here used to score points against feminism, SJWs and sexual kinks.
And that is exactly why people think we should care. Always an agenda.Find someone crazy, put them on display, look smart critscising her. You dont need strawmen anymore when you can trawl the net for real life crazies.
I mean I take it to heart you're not accusing me of having an agenda, but I legit don't see any connection to feminism here.Fieldy409 said:Oh Im super jaded, by the standards of the internet im a tired old man lol. And it is interesting how shes managed to hook some guys with this stuff and questions about what is proper bdsm but to me, she mostly smells of being used by the internet as a real life strawman.DoPo said:It might be worth sharing. I don't think it's worth drumming it up as "OH LOOK THE UBER-DRAMAZ!"DudeistBelieve said:Are we really that jaded as a society that this isn't worth me sharing the story?Fieldy409 said:What? Crazy people on the internet?!? No way!
Now im not accusing Dudist of an agenda, but the reason stuff like this goes so viral I believe to be based around agendas. Used to be you had to make up strawmen to win arguments but now? You'll see Poisonivy here used to score points against feminism, SJWs and sexual kinks. The people who tell you about these sorts are almost always the people who hate her. Find someone crazy, put them on display, look smart critscising her. You dont need strawmen anymore when you can trawl the net for real life crazies.
So thats all I see here, living breathing strawman(strawwomen?)
Sure you dont see the connection, it shouldnt be there because you are a reasonable guy. But I feel like some people will still claim it is because a woman is dominating men and they are trying very hard to redefine that word feminism to mean this. They will talk about if she were a man she would be crucified double standards, they'll say she gets away with it because SJW's control twitters admin and wont punish women, talk about sexual freedom leading to this, yada yada yadaI mean I take it to heart you're not accusing me of having an agenda, but I legit don't see any connection to feminism here.
I see a connection to a potentially very abusive Femdom...... I really don't see how one could use her as a strawmen? Generally that shit involves some sort of activism. This is just a 16 year old being cruel and waxing poetically about how the romanticism behind suicide.
and BDSM is like normal shit.... I just a person potentially taking it too far.
No, you aren't. Just give it a couple of days.Fieldy409 said:Sure you dont see the connection, it shouldnt be there because you are a reasonable guy. But I feel like some people will still claim it is because a woman is dominating men and they are trying very hard to redefine that word feminism to mean this. They will talk about if she were a man she would be crucified double standards, they'll say she gets away with it because SJW's control twitters admin and wont punish women, talk about sexual freedom leading to this, yada yada yadaI mean I take it to heart you're not accusing me of having an agenda, but I legit don't see any connection to feminism here.
I see a connection to a potentially very abusive Femdom...... I really don't see how one could use her as a strawmen? Generally that shit involves some sort of activism. This is just a 16 year old being cruel and waxing poetically about how the romanticism behind suicide.
and BDSM is like normal shit.... I just a person potentially taking it too far.
Maybe Im wrong and just being cynical.
That doesn't seem particularly fair to the guys or the dom. Are you suggesting that a woman instructing people to remove their eyebrows (EDIT: which is something she apparently hasn't even done) is comparable to chemicals that cause long term organ damage? I agree there is a significant element of risk in BDSM, and that both parties have a responsibility to speak out if actual harm/lack of consent is apparent, but I don't see how we are in any position to judge it in this case. I've only heard about this bit of twitter business for ten minutes, and without knowing the details I have no idea whether the dominatrix is genuinely abusive or just someone simulating something harmless for fun with like minded individuals.Sonmi said:Pretty much.Secondhand Revenant said:So since I'm not gonna watch the video tell me if I have this right...
They pay her to say mean things to them? And the issue is she's really mean and they aren't mentally well so they keep doing it and don't just stop contacting her and still do what she says?
They are broken addicts coming to her to get their poisonous fix, which she gleefully takes their money for.
I must say, I felt a bit strange reading what Somni wrote, because I have worked on a cigarette counter. So I guess I am also a person who has gleefully taken money from "broken addicts" in exchange for a "poisonous fix"?maninahat said:That doesn't seem particularly fair to the guys or the dom. Are you suggesting that a woman instructing people to remove their eyebrows (EDIT: which is something she apparently hasn't even done) is comparable to chemicals that cause long term organ damage? I agree there is a significant element of risk in BDSM, and that both parties have a responsibility to speak out if actual harm/lack of consent is apparent, but I don't see how we are in any position to judge it in this case. I've only heard about this bit of twitter business for ten minutes, and without knowing the details I have no idea whether the dominatrix is genuinely abusive or just someone simulating something harmless for fun with like minded individuals.Sonmi said:Pretty much.Secondhand Revenant said:So since I'm not gonna watch the video tell me if I have this right...
They pay her to say mean things to them? And the issue is she's really mean and they aren't mentally well so they keep doing it and don't just stop contacting her and still do what she says?
They are broken addicts coming to her to get their poisonous fix, which she gleefully takes their money for.
This is correct.DudeistBelieve said:from what little I know about this kind of relationship (having never experienced it first hand myself) is that when you're opening yourself up to get willfully get hurt by another person for pleasure theres like... Huge lines and boundaries the dom has to respect, and I think theres even some sort of expectation that after the fact the Dom has to ease the sub back into reality?
Ok, you're not really giving me anything to go by here. Are you aware of what puts so many underage girls and boys into drug-induced prostitution? Not tweets. Not some guy wanting to get his jollies off by communing with what he considers a hot girl...look, I don't really wanna have to detail the shit that people get forced through...but these guys... they honestly idiots. And she is just another asshole making money off of idiots. When it comes down to the level of seriousness of human suffering...this is some teenage bullshit that shouldn't have been given a spotlight. I can give you at least 3 personal stories more messed up than this, depending on your idea of ethics and whatnot. This is...it's....learn?Metalix Knightmare said:It's outrage worthy because this is a HORRIBLY broken dude in a relationship with what looks to be a REALLY bad dom. Basically, she's taking advantage of people who need help in order to get her jollies.Xsjadoblayde said:Somebody cried because of a tweet? How is that somehow outrage worthy? Bloody hell, Are you aware of the other suffering in this world? People cry all the time for a lot of reasons. I just...ok, are you joking?Metalix Knightmare said:More like BDSM being taken to a VERY unhealthy extreme. Seriously, one of her guys broke down into tears because he tweeted at another woman.Parasondox said:Ladies and Gentlemen... nothing. Whats the outrage here? Femdom BDSM? Welcome to the internet. People have fetishes that they indulge in and this person you speak of is nothing special.
Internet outrage at internet being the internet.
Also, the dude cried because he sent a tweet at another woman. Not just for sending a tweet. These dudes are the definition of broken people, and she's REALLY not helping.