So this girl on Twitter is pretty fucked up....
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"No true Domme", am I right?kurokotetsu said:
The pleasure is all mine.kurokotetsu said:
You can keep enjoying inflicting all the pain you want to your "independent" slave (nice oxymoron, by the way), your brave display of indignation has moved me to the point of requestioning my skepticism at the notion of hurting others to achieve sexual gratification.
Considering how small, and generally private (closeted, as you yourself put it) the BDSM community is, I highly doubt they'd ever be properly represented on such polls. You have to take in mind abused partners' whose consent cannot be properly given too (such as the poor saps in the OP), I doubt they'd ever report the abuse itself.kurokotetsu said:
But this is all besides the point, as I never implied that BDSM folk such as yourself are more likely to be abusers, simply that the normalization of emotional and physical violence in the relationship coupled with the dependence of the sub on the domme can be a nasty mix potentially leading to severe and under-reported abuse.
Why, yes, I think people should be extremely careful/wary in who they choose as a partner in a standard vanilla relationship, as you said, bad relationships are a potential gateway to abuse. The potential severity goes up a notch when you give said partner the green light to hurt you though.kurokotetsu said:
Hey, simply stating where I stand here. I'm not claiming to be an expert, I'm only saying where what knowledge I have of the milieu comes from.kurokotetsu said:
Good on you, man.kurokotetsu said:
Venting is healthy.
You don't find it even a little morbidly interesting?Cap said:
I've gotten several messages with this opinion, so this isn't just aimed at you, but is this seriously not worth sharing? I thought it was interesting at least.... like a cat that shows it's owner the dead bird it found.
As always, the people with the least sexual experience are the most offended by sexual behavior.Parasondox said:
#theinternet
Oh Im super jaded, by the standards of the internet im a tired old man lol. And it is interesting how shes managed to hook some guys with this stuff and questions about what is proper bdsm but to me, she mostly smells of being used by the internet as a real life strawman.DoPo said:
Now im not accusing Dudist of an agenda, but the reason stuff like this goes so viral I believe to be based around agendas. Used to be you had to make up strawmen to win arguments but now? You'll see Poisonivy here used to score points against feminism, SJWs and sexual kinks. The people who tell you about these sorts are almost always the people who hate her. Find someone crazy, put them on display, look smart critscising her. You dont need strawmen anymore when you can trawl the net for real life crazies.
So thats all I see here, living breathing strawman(strawwomen?)
I mean I take it to heart you're not accusing me of having an agenda, but I legit don't see any connection to feminism here.Fieldy409 said:
I see a connection to a potentially very abusive Femdom...... I really don't see how one could use her as a strawmen? Generally that shit involves some sort of activism. This is just a 16 year old being cruel and waxing poetically about how the romanticism behind suicide.
and BDSM is like normal shit.... I just a person potentially taking it too far.
It's as simple as this: some people like cults. She is doing strange stuff, but she's not hurting anyone
Sure you dont see the connection, it shouldnt be there because you are a reasonable guy. But I feel like some people will still claim it is because a woman is dominating men and they are trying very hard to redefine that word feminism to mean this. They will talk about if she were a man she would be crucified double standards, they'll say she gets away with it because SJW's control twitters admin and wont punish women, talk about sexual freedom leading to this, yada yada yada
Maybe Im wrong and just being cynical.
People doing crazy shit when horny... that has been going on for a while now, at least as long as there were people.
And when you do crazy shit of your own the easiest thing to do is blame someone else, but we all know you are responsible for your own crazy shit.
Now if it was forced coercion and what whatnot that is a whole new ballpark, but when you just decide to go along with dumb shit people tell you on the interwebs I can only offer congratulations, you are without doubt an idiot.
And when you do crazy shit of your own the easiest thing to do is blame someone else, but we all know you are responsible for your own crazy shit.
Now if it was forced coercion and what whatnot that is a whole new ballpark, but when you just decide to go along with dumb shit people tell you on the interwebs I can only offer congratulations, you are without doubt an idiot.
Well, they are really rather shite at being a dom if that is how they handle things. This reads like what you'd expect a teenage girl to come up with after reading 50 shades and thinking they could do a gender-swapped job and then realizing the limitations of the internet to accomplish said task. But if that is what all parties involved want, well, let them have their fun I guess. Some dumbass shaving his eyebrow and such really doesn't affect me any (aside from thinking they are stupid for it), and even the waxing poetic about suicide and such is just more of the emo/goth/morbid stuff that has existed in one for or another for decades. Honestly, the worst thing anyone could do is to publicize this nonsense and feed the egos there. But then again, the publicity of it might be part of the kicks. Who knows.
That doesn't seem particularly fair to the guys or the dom. Are you suggesting that a woman instructing people to remove their eyebrows (EDIT: which is something she apparently hasn't even done) is comparable to chemicals that cause long term organ damage? I agree there is a significant element of risk in BDSM, and that both parties have a responsibility to speak out if actual harm/lack of consent is apparent, but I don't see how we are in any position to judge it in this case. I've only heard about this bit of twitter business for ten minutes, and without knowing the details I have no idea whether the dominatrix is genuinely abusive or just someone simulating something harmless for fun with like minded individuals.Sonmi said:
I must say, I felt a bit strange reading what Somni wrote, because I have worked on a cigarette counter. So I guess I am also a person who has gleefully taken money from "broken addicts" in exchange for a "poisonous fix"?maninahat said:
(As an aside if you argue that this example is abusive you could probably argue that all BDSM is? Or where even is the line?)
So I don't quite undestand.
Some people volunteer themself to be dominated by some others...
So like eveything else in the world then, like when you are addictive on something or being in general a fanatic?
This is not something new. The reason why this specific "Poison Ivy" become so popular is beyond me.
So many examples I can say, but it is so easy...
Some people volunteer themself to be dominated by some others...
So like eveything else in the world then, like when you are addictive on something or being in general a fanatic?
This is not something new. The reason why this specific "Poison Ivy" become so popular is beyond me.
So many examples I can say, but it is so easy...
I don't have time to look into this much, but...
As long as it's consensual, I don't give a fuck.
I mean, from what OP tells me, she's a really shitty Femdom, but being a shitty Femdom isn't criminal. As long as there's no coercion going on and everyone is ok with this, let 'em have their fun.
Over the last year and a half I've met a bunch of people who are into BDSM (turns out that cosmic horror LARPs and BDSM groups have a lot of crossover, who knew!), and the trinity of Limits, Consent and Aftercare are all super important things in the scene.
If you violate a sub's limits or do stuff without their consent, that's when it crosses into abuse/rape, and you run the VERY big risk of getting thrown out on your ass and blacklisted from every event and group that the organizer co-ordinates with.
As for Aftercare / Easing them back to reality, some people do it and others don't, but it's generally seen as good practice, as people can be REALLY out of it after a scene and might need help mentally recovering.
I've actually become mildly curious about the whole Sub thing, as being able to let go of all your barriers with someone you trust and actually become completely vulnerable sounds massively releasing. I've had these big thick mental barriers up ever since the bullying I endured in high school, so being able to let all of that go for a while would probably feel really really awesome.
As long as it's consensual, I don't give a fuck.
I mean, from what OP tells me, she's a really shitty Femdom, but being a shitty Femdom isn't criminal. As long as there's no coercion going on and everyone is ok with this, let 'em have their fun.
This is correct.DudeistBelieve said:
Over the last year and a half I've met a bunch of people who are into BDSM (turns out that cosmic horror LARPs and BDSM groups have a lot of crossover, who knew!), and the trinity of Limits, Consent and Aftercare are all super important things in the scene.
If you violate a sub's limits or do stuff without their consent, that's when it crosses into abuse/rape, and you run the VERY big risk of getting thrown out on your ass and blacklisted from every event and group that the organizer co-ordinates with.
As for Aftercare / Easing them back to reality, some people do it and others don't, but it's generally seen as good practice, as people can be REALLY out of it after a scene and might need help mentally recovering.
I've actually become mildly curious about the whole Sub thing, as being able to let go of all your barriers with someone you trust and actually become completely vulnerable sounds massively releasing. I've had these big thick mental barriers up ever since the bullying I endured in high school, so being able to let all of that go for a while would probably feel really really awesome.
Ok, you're not really giving me anything to go by here. Are you aware of what puts so many underage girls and boys into drug-induced prostitution? Not tweets. Not some guy wanting to get his jollies off by communing with what he considers a hot girl...look, I don't really wanna have to detail the shit that people get forced through...but these guys... they honestly idiots. And she is just another asshole making money off of idiots. When it comes down to the level of seriousness of human suffering...this is some teenage bullshit that shouldn't have been given a spotlight. I can give you at least 3 personal stories more messed up than this, depending on your idea of ethics and whatnot. This is...it's....learn?Metalix Knightmare said: