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Johnny Novgorod said:
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7) MY BIGGEST COMPLAINT - the hell is the First Lady doing at the Oscars? Just what the hell, people. By setting her up there you're politizising the whole thing! And this is about movies, not politics! (on a minor note, why're you going to get Jack Nicholson onstage if he's just going to step aside for the chick in the screen?)
A lot of Middle Eastern Awards ceremonies are hosted by the mayor of the host city. At awards city council and other local politicians are present as well. It's not about politics for them. Parts of the Middle East have a love for Cinema that surpasses the Western World in a lot of ways.

With that said, I highly doubt that Michelle Obama being there can really count as "politicizing the event". For one, she didn't even say anything about politics. It's not like there was a political agenda being pushed by herself of the Oscar's awards show.
I strongly disagree. Politics is as much about speeches as it is about making an act of presence. Sometimes it's all about making an act of presence. Let's be straight here:

1) No Academy Award in recent history has featured a politician. No mayors, let alone First Ladies.
2) Her presence was a) surprise and b) climactic.
3) She took over the most prestigious actor in the show that night.
4) She delivered the "most important" award in the evening.
5) As a top representative of the White House, she honored a movie about a covert CIA operation.
6) Above all, she didn't HAVE to be there. She has nothing to do with movies and need not know anything about movies. She's the odd person out of every other host/presenter in the evening. Her presence was totally and entirely political, and that is not an opinion.
It's still pretty dodgy to say that the event was politicized due to Michelle Obama's presence. It seems like more of something to make the Oscar's relevant today. The Oscar's ratings have gone down over the years. I mean, come on, did you see Seth McFarlane's ideas for the show? That was a bad Oscar's show to watch. Michelle Obama's political influence on the show will probably only be looked at by Faux News.
 

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Sorry, but I don't see what the two characters Hanz Landa (Basterds) and King Schultz (Django) has in common except that they're both charismatic Germans.
Primarily the manner of delivery of dialogue and their mannerisms.

They're not identical, but they're similar enough to think that maybe Waltz doesn't have quite the range that some might think.
You can't judge his abilities as an actor from seeing him in only two movies.
 

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You can't judge his abilities as an actor from seeing him in only two movies.
My initial post was about how the Academy really likes that type of character. The range comment was speculation only.
 

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I guess I'm the only on who thought that Brave was a better movie than Wreck It Ralph?
Yes. Yes you are, I took my 9 year old sister to see Brave in the theatre and we both fell asleep half way through it. I took her to see Wreck-It Ralph and everytime I looked over to her she was always sitting forward, pointing out various video game characters that she had become familiar with having a gamer for a brother. I've never been prouder as a brother when she pointed at the movie screen and said. "THATS BOWSER!"

So yes, Wreck-It Ralph is MILES better than Brave.
 

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I guess I'm the only on who thought that Brave was a better movie than Wreck It Ralph?
Yes. Yes you are, I took my 9 year old sister to see Brave in the theatre and we both fell asleep half way through it. I took her to see Wreck-It Ralph and everytime I looked over to her she was always sitting forward, pointing out various video game characters that she had become familiar with having a gamer for a brother. I've never been prouder as a brother when she pointed at the movie screen and said. "THATS BOWSER!"

So yes, Wreck-It Ralph is MILES better than Brave.
What? You mean your 9 yr. old sister didn't point at the screen and say "Hey! It's Carrot Top!" during Brave? Shame on you for not teaching her about bad comedians.

It's true though. Ralph had a better story, better characters, much better villain, even without all the shout-outs to classic games.
 

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I guess I'm the only on who thought that Brave was a better movie than Wreck It Ralph?
Not so! I also enjoyed Brave a lot more that Wreck It Ralph.

It was probably also because, before actually seeing the movie, I had no idea what the conflict was going to be. Or at least I had not seen any trailer that would plainly point out to it, as is the case most of the time.
To me, Wreck It Ralph felt too much like a bunch of references strewn together.

I also don't think that Pirates would have stood much chance, despite the brilliant cast. In my opinion, the two competitors this year would have been Brave and Paranorman. They were both movies I was waiting for since well over a year back and praying would be shown in the cinema in my town. They both didn't disappoint!

As to who should have won though, I must admit I had my hopes on Paranorman.
 

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I guess I'm the only on who thought that Brave was a better movie than Wreck It Ralph?
Yes. Yes you are, I took my 9 year old sister to see Brave in the theatre and we both fell asleep half way through it. I took her to see Wreck-It Ralph and everytime I looked over to her she was always sitting forward, pointing out various video game characters that she had become familiar with having a gamer for a brother. I've never been prouder as a brother when she pointed at the movie screen and said. "THATS BOWSER!"

So yes, Wreck-It Ralph is MILES better than Brave.
I guess I expected Wreck It Ralph to use the licensed video game cameos in a much better fashion. Once the movie became about a cart race in a candy filled wonderland, it became bland to me. I thought that an adventure that hopped between a lot more than 3 games was going to happen. I went to it with a gamer's mind and left disappointed.

There are TV shows that have handled a story set in a video game world much better. Community's platforming action RPG episode was a great example of this. Code Monkeys is another. Futurama's episode was funny as well.

I dunno, it stopped being an animated movie character and turned into another animated kids movie to me. It was good, but I thought Brave has a better story, as mediocre for Pixar as it was.
 

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I guess I'm the only on who thought that Brave was a better movie than Wreck It Ralph?
Not so! I also enjoyed Brave a lot more that Wreck It Ralph.

It was probably also because, before actually seeing the movie, I had no idea what the conflict was going to be. Or at least I had not seen any trailer that would plainly point out to it, as is the case most of the time.
To me, Wreck It Ralph felt too much like a bunch of references strewn together.

I also don't think that Pirates would have stood much chance, despite the brilliant cast. In my opinion, the two competitors this year would have been Brave and Paranorman. They were both movies I was waiting for since well over a year back and praying would be shown in the cinema in my town. They both didn't disappoint!

As to who should have won though, I must admit I had my hopes on Paranorman.
Haven't seen ParaNorman, but I heard it was really good.

To me, Wreck It Wraph had the same problem as the indie game Retro City Rampage. It hinged hope on too many video game tropes while the story itself was mega bland. Half of the movie being in the Sugar Rush game was a deal breaker for me.
 

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It was a publicity stunt. Nothing more. It was the Academy shouting "Hey, Look! We got the First Lady! See how cool and hip and relevant we still are?!"
I seriously doubt the First Lady went in there lending herself for a "publicity stunt". No politician will ever commit himself or herself to something that won't somehow pay back tenfold. Every act of presence is an investment, I doubt Mrs. Obama went had nothing better to do with her precious time.

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It's still pretty dodgy to say that the event was politicized due to Michelle Obama's presence. It seems like more of something to make the Oscar's relevant today. The Oscar's ratings have gone down over the years. I mean, come on, did you see Seth McFarlane's ideas for the show? That was a bad Oscar's show to watch. Michelle Obama's political influence on the show will probably only be looked at by Faux News.
Again, strongly disagree. Let's not be naiv. By inviting her of all politicians, to deliver that one award of all awards, to that one movie of all movies, into this ceremony of all ceremonies, both the Academy Awards are making a statement, and more importantly, so is she. She's a politician. It's what they DO. Declare things and make acts of presence. Again. It's what they do.
 

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It's still pretty dodgy to say that the event was politicized due to Michelle Obama's presence. It seems like more of something to make the Oscar's relevant today. The Oscar's ratings have gone down over the years. I mean, come on, did you see Seth McFarlane's ideas for the show? That was a bad Oscar's show to watch. Michelle Obama's political influence on the show will probably only be looked at by Faux News.
Again, strongly disagree. Let's not be naiv. By inviting her of all politicians, to deliver that one award of all awards, to that one movie of all movies, into this ceremony of all ceremonies, both the Academy Awards are making a statement, and more importantly, so is she. She's a politician. It's what they DO. Declare things and make acts of presence. Again. It's what they do.
She didn't really politicize a point though. Other than, "we're glad Osama is dead", there's not much politics to what she did that night. Its not like she awarded the movie personally. She didn't chose the winner of the award. For crying out loud, it won Best Sound editing. Oooooooooh. Had it won Best Picture, you'd have a better point, but having Michelle Obama present an award for one of the categories that no one cares about is hardly politics. It's not like Barack has to run again. And besides, the "Fisrt Lady" is an unofficial title with no official duties. There's not much that her handing out a sound editing awards will be remembered for politically within the next month, lets be real.
 

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Brave's one redeeming facet (which probably helped it) was the animated setting. If full fairness, that was more impressive than anything else the others put up. Full scottish forrest vs knock off of japanese bubble-gum pop settings.

Of course the real reason is the academy is full of people old when pong came out. Wreck it Ralph is another movie full of things they don't get and never stood a chance. Same reason make-up went to the musical instead of the dwarves, and visuals went to the kid on a boat with a tiger instead of... any of the other choices, or why Clud Atlas didn't get a nod.

I really only watched this year for Set McFarlene, who reminded me he is legitimatelly funny when not doing family Guy. Yeah, he peaked with "we saw your boobs" (and you could hear guys taking notes about films to look up) but the rest was watchable.
 

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AzrealMaximillion said:
Johnny Novgorod said:
AzrealMaximillion said:
It's still pretty dodgy to say that the event was politicized due to Michelle Obama's presence. It seems like more of something to make the Oscar's relevant today. The Oscar's ratings have gone down over the years. I mean, come on, did you see Seth McFarlane's ideas for the show? That was a bad Oscar's show to watch. Michelle Obama's political influence on the show will probably only be looked at by Faux News.
Again, strongly disagree. Let's not be naiv. By inviting her of all politicians, to deliver that one award of all awards, to that one movie of all movies, into this ceremony of all ceremonies, both the Academy Awards are making a statement, and more importantly, so is she. She's a politician. It's what they DO. Declare things and make acts of presence. Again. It's what they do.
She didn't really politicize a point though. Other than, "we're glad Osama is dead", there's not much politics to what she did that night. Its not like she awarded the movie personally. She didn't chose the winner of the award. For crying out loud, it won Best Sound editing. Oooooooooh. Had it won Best Picture, you'd have a better point, but having Michelle Obama present an award for one of the categories that no one cares about is hardly politics. It's not like Barack has to run again. And besides, the "Fisrt Lady" is an unofficial title with no official duties. There's not much that her handing out a sound editing awards will be remembered for politically within the next month, lets be real.
I think you're a bit misinformed my friend. We're talking about Argo. The one that got Best Movie award. Which she delivered. Is my point better already?
 

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Sorry, but I don't see what the two characters Hanz Landa (Basterds) and King Schultz (Django) has in common except that they're both charismatic Germans.
Primarily the manner of delivery of dialogue and their mannerisms.

They're not identical, but they're similar enough to think that maybe Waltz doesn't have quite the range that some might think.
Hi, enjoy this one:

It's in german, but enjoy the mannerisms and whatnot.


Imho, Waltz is one of the best actors currently working in Hollywood and both of his roles were absolutely fantastic and the oscars were well deserved.

If you want to check more of Waltz out, try "Dieu du Carnage".
 

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Seth McFarlane is a guy who has never been funny to me and his run as MC didn't change my mind. The sad part is, this was still better then the 2011 Oscars where Billy Crystal was sleepwalking the whole night and the 2010 Oscars featuring Anne Hathaway trying to get something out of that cardboard cutout named James Franco.

We got some pretty good stuff. The musical numbers were good, especially Shirley Bassey performing "Goldfinger" and Adele performing "Skfall". Heck, even Seth's numbers were tolerable.

Redd the Sock said:
Brave's one redeeming facet (which probably helped it) was the animated setting. If full fairness, that was more impressive than anything else the others put up. Full scottish forrest vs knock off of japanese bubble-gum pop settings.

Of course the real reason is the academy is full of people old when pong came out. Wreck it Ralph is another movie full of things they don't get and never stood a chance. Same reason make-up went to the musical instead of the dwarves, and visuals went to the kid on a boat with a tiger instead of... any of the other choices, or why Clud Atlas didn't get a nod.
I would have like to see Wreck It Ralph win, but I was pretty sure it wouldn't.

No nominations for Cloud Atlas was bizzare, to say the least.

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- Seth MacFarlane did a pretty good job, definitely a departure from normal hosts. The reenactment of Flight with socks was absolutely hilarious. Good jokes throughout, and he recovered from the duds pretty well, and what a singer! Man is a natural entertainer.

- FUCK the Academy for denying Roger Deakins the Oscar he deserved (again). Life of Pi's good visuals were due to the VFX company, who the cinematographer didn't even thank while he took credit for them.

- The VFX winners being played off as they were trying to say something about their struggling industry was very poor form.

- Brave was decent, but Pixar got that Oscar more on reputation than anything else. Wreck it Ralph should've won.

- I loved how Meryl Streep so matter-of-factly announced Daniel Day Lewis for Best Actor. His acceptance speech was pretty great.

- I wish Zero Dark Thirty hadn't been politically blacklisted, Jessica Chastain was robbed for Best Actress, and the film itself for Best Picture (even though I did like Argo).
 

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Johnny Novgorod said:
AzrealMaximillion said:
Johnny Novgorod said:
AzrealMaximillion said:
It's still pretty dodgy to say that the event was politicized due to Michelle Obama's presence. It seems like more of something to make the Oscar's relevant today. The Oscar's ratings have gone down over the years. I mean, come on, did you see Seth McFarlane's ideas for the show? That was a bad Oscar's show to watch. Michelle Obama's political influence on the show will probably only be looked at by Faux News.
Again, strongly disagree. Let's not be naiv. By inviting her of all politicians, to deliver that one award of all awards, to that one movie of all movies, into this ceremony of all ceremonies, both the Academy Awards are making a statement, and more importantly, so is she. She's a politician. It's what they DO. Declare things and make acts of presence. Again. It's what they do.
She didn't really politicize a point though. Other than, "we're glad Osama is dead", there's not much politics to what she did that night. Its not like she awarded the movie personally. She didn't chose the winner of the award. For crying out loud, it won Best Sound editing. Oooooooooh. Had it won Best Picture, you'd have a better point, but having Michelle Obama present an award for one of the categories that no one cares about is hardly politics. It's not like Barack has to run again. And besides, the "Fisrt Lady" is an unofficial title with no official duties. There's not much that her handing out a sound editing awards will be remembered for politically within the next month, lets be real.
I think you're a bit misinformed my friend. We're talking about Argo. The one that got Best Movie award. Which she delivered. Is my point better already?


You are reading way too much into this. No agenda was being pushed by delivering a stupid movie award. Being a walking press figure is pretty much the only thing the First Lady is expected to do. It was probably the Academy's idea to begin with. The only person making this political is you.
 

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Caramel Frappe said:
My biggest gripes even though I am okay with how it played out-

  • - Cloud Atlas was a risk taker and did almost everything right. Should of been nominated for something.
    - Brave to me, was not the best for animation. I would say Wreck-It-Ralph was, or at least Rango (if that counts).

The Oscars is silly to me. No offense, but they prefer to do things that go by what they (specific people) want, not what's true about which movie deserves the actual title so to speak.
Rango won last year XD
 

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My thoughts? I don't care who the Academy of Motion pictures thinks did a good job so I didn't watch. In a few months who won or lost will be mostly forgotten and it won't matter either way whether or not I watched. Oddly I'd rather watch a movie then a movie award show.