I don't know, but there better be a wicked sweet end boss for how long it's taken us to get through.
So, when and how does the War on Terror end?
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Sorry the importance of end bosses as a gamin experience may have been phased out was being discussed in an article X DProject_Xii said:
The American government has hit on the perfect war to inspire and unite its people against an outside foe so they don't look to closely at their own society. Also, a war they can use to demonise anyone who disagrees with them, or their policies.
You cannot win a war against Terrorism because terrorists are more than willing to die for their cause. You cannot beat terrorism with weapons, only with peace.
The goal of the 9/11 Terrorists has been achieved, many many times over, through the actions of the united states and its allies, including the country I was born in and the country I live in. Terrorists do not only want to scare and terrify people, but to inspire others and cause reactions in their own people to aspire to the same ideals and goals. This is done, most effectively, when your target responds with overwhelming force and violates it's own principles, making itself an easy target for blame.
The only way to beat Terrorists is to stop screaming for blood and start being the "better man". Meetings, diplomacy, compromise.. but the United States, already torn and divided internally, seems to consider compromise a dirty word... and has been so long without truly knowing what peace is, that it derives it's strength and unity more from the fear of outside threats than any sense of community and shared culture.
You cannot win a war against Terrorism because terrorists are more than willing to die for their cause. You cannot beat terrorism with weapons, only with peace.
The goal of the 9/11 Terrorists has been achieved, many many times over, through the actions of the united states and its allies, including the country I was born in and the country I live in. Terrorists do not only want to scare and terrify people, but to inspire others and cause reactions in their own people to aspire to the same ideals and goals. This is done, most effectively, when your target responds with overwhelming force and violates it's own principles, making itself an easy target for blame.
The only way to beat Terrorists is to stop screaming for blood and start being the "better man". Meetings, diplomacy, compromise.. but the United States, already torn and divided internally, seems to consider compromise a dirty word... and has been so long without truly knowing what peace is, that it derives it's strength and unity more from the fear of outside threats than any sense of community and shared culture.
The war on terror is an illusion. You can't fight terrorism and geurillas because the collateral damage creates new enemies faster than you can kill them. Hell, just killing the right people will often convert their friends and family to the cause. Beyond that, the occupation itself is probably creating enemies, and we haven't changed the policies that created terrorists in the middle east. We still interfere in their politics for our own good to their detriment, so of course they will continue to want us to stop. and some of them will be willing to kill and die to make us.Manji187 said:
I don't understand why anyone thinks we will win. Napoleon couldn't do it in Spain, we couldn't do it in Korea, the British couldn't do it in America. I am not aware of any time when an insurgency has completely been irradicated by the occupying force. It's a pretty good bet that the American government is well aware of that and has no intent to ever "win" the war on terror, but that the war on terror is actually a cover for some other agenda.
As to you mentioning the possible collapse of the US economy, that's actually a pretty likely event. Many economists predict that the US economy can't continue more than about 6 years, some say that it will collapse as early as this winter. And if our idiot leaders can't get out of their own way and pass an increase to the debt ceiling cap, it will collapse in august. Personally, my bet is on about the 5 year mark.
It'll end either when Nazi zombies appear, transformers hit earth, or when epic meantime makes an epic meal of unification
It'll stop when the US has control of the oil.
Terrorism was just a excuse.
Otherwise they would have been out of there 9 years ago.
Terrorism was just a excuse.
Otherwise they would have been out of there 9 years ago.
The reason you don't hear about successful campaigns against insurgents is because victory isn't achieved by big newsworthy conflict, but by careful economic and social reform that doesn't interest the general public.spartan231490 said:
You don't fight insurgency, any more than you fight religion or other ideas. You take away the social factors that make it worth fighting about.
This runs contrary to most popular notions of warfare (if you call the enemy a military force) or justice (if you call them criminals), though, so it's not palatable. It's also time consuming and makes your much loved fancy toys fairly irrelevant.
If you read my whole post(I'm sure you did, I'm just pointing it out for people who read this post and not my last one), you will notice that I say kinda the same thing. I say that you can't beat an insurgency with military force, but I also say that the war on terror will never end because the US policies that lead to terrorism in the first place are still in place, which is exactly what you said, just from another angle.thaluikhain said:
Also, I wasn't just talking about modern times, I was talking about historically, where newsworthy has very little to do with it. Admittedly, history doesn't have very much to do with it either.
It'll be bubbling under, like the IRA, but if you look at now versus 20 years ago, there's not the fear that bombs are being set all over the UK any more.
I think give it 5 - 10 years and even America will get bored of throwing billions into the black hole that is 'fixing' the middle east, when someone finally realises that, short of killing every man woman and child that doesn't think like you, you can't stop it. That's a fix worse than the problem.
I think give it 5 - 10 years and even America will get bored of throwing billions into the black hole that is 'fixing' the middle east, when someone finally realises that, short of killing every man woman and child that doesn't think like you, you can't stop it. That's a fix worse than the problem.
Im goin to cote the Fallout games and say:
War never changes
The "War on Terror" is just a chapter in the book of War. Yes it will end, someday somehow, but War WIL continue... and im glad for that!!
For the day that War ends wil be the day that EVERY human has lost free thought and free will...
War never changes
The "War on Terror" is just a chapter in the book of War. Yes it will end, someday somehow, but War WIL continue... and im glad for that!!
For the day that War ends wil be the day that EVERY human has lost free thought and free will...
About US policies, though, it doesn't help that there are any number of important power groups involved, each playing their own game. It only takes one of them to cause a disaster on their own, or by interfering in something vital someone else is doing.spartan231490 said:
And then, the US in general is blamed...not without cause, but not entirely fair, either. It doesn't take too many fuck-ups by parts to cost the whole its credibility.
Well, the Roman Empire seemed to be fairly good at preventing that sort of thing. You have noteworthy exceptions...Boudica and the Iceni come to mind, but they had been loyal Romanised Britains for some time up until then.spartan231490 said:
The only way it will end is if the US government declares it lost and gives up. "War on Terror" is just an idiotic buzzword that sounds nicer than "reprisal", "revenge" and "invasion"... which is what we've done so far.
Mind you, I think the initial reprisals and the Osama hunt that ensued were as justified as such things can be... but... Saddam? That invasion was just plain ol' bullshit. I know, I was there.
Mind you, I think the initial reprisals and the Osama hunt that ensued were as justified as such things can be... but... Saddam? That invasion was just plain ol' bullshit. I know, I was there.
We didn't even have the terminology War on Terror" until ten years ago. While the US may want everyone to be a capitalist democracy with a free market economy, quite frankly, that would destroy the world. If every country lived as America does, we'd need five planet earths just to sustain us all. Coming from an american, I think perhaps the US needs to back off a little. We got who we were after, now let it be.
