Some hypocrisy that I've noticed

[KissofKetchup]

As I have paged through these forums, I've noticed some hypocrisy, even from Yahtzee.

The hypocrisy is this: People who complain about cut scenes, yet think games are a form of art, or like games that have artistic effects. What these people fail to realize is that these cut scenes that they abhor are part of what make video games a form of art. Video games are an amalgam of every form of fine art; visual art, drama, & music. The only thing that set video games apart is the interactive element. While this hypocrisy might not really be hypocrisy, it still is something that I wanted to bring up.

And before everybody starts flaming me, I'm not saying you're stupid or anything like that if you're what I described above, I merely wanted to point it out to you and others.

 

[Gamer137]

1) Not everyone cares about a games artistic statements, if it even has any. So unskippable cut sceans are pretty inexcuseable. Even someone who loves story telling may not want to see them a second time.

2) Out of the people who do see games as art, a large fraction of them prefer that to come from the actual gameplay rather then watching cut sceans and think that MGS type games need to trim them down.

 

[ajb924]

Ok, i see your point, but arn't you yourself being a hypocrit by saying that this hypocracy may not be hypocracy? By saying this you are countering your own arguement. And i don't think people complain about cutscenes it's when you die and have to watch the damn thing over and over again!!!! All we ask is for a skip button!

 

[scnj]

I think you kind of stand on your own point when you bring up the interactive part. You're right when you say video games are art and you're right when you say that their interactivity sets them apart from other art forms, which is why cutscenes aren't always good. They take the interactive part away, in favour of what's basically a CGI movie. In that case, the movie ends up being the art while the game itself isn't. I think developers need to look into other ways to feed us the required information to tell the story, while leaving us in control of how the scene plays out.

Also, it pisses me off when a game character does a load of badass stuff in a cutscene that can't be done during gameplay.

 

[Leorex]

just because you like art dosent mean you want to spend 20 minuets on every exhibit.

 

[Guitarmasterx7]

What about portal? IIRC it only had one in game cutscene

 

[pantsoffdanceoff]

An art would be making a game with no cut scenes, a story should be able to flow smoothly without such crutches. A la Half Life (I'm not counting the GMan scenes because lets face it they're fucking awesome.

 

[HappyPillz]

The only cut scenes that bother me are long, unskipable cutscenes just before a hard boss..and you have to watch it after EVERY time you die.

 

[NeutralDrow]

The only cut scenes that bother me are long, unskipable cutscenes just before a hard boss..and you have to watch it after EVERY time you die.

Same. I really can't think of any others that I minded (and most I enjoy).

 

[The_Deleted]

Everyone is a hypocrite in one way or another.

I'm not.

And neither's my wife.

 

[Good morning blues]

This isn't hypocrisy at all. It's not hypocritical to say that movies are a form of art but to say that you don't like shaky-cam or jump cuts.

 

[Haydyn]

I don't play video games for an artistic feel. If I want to see art, I can drive down to the Seattle sewage plant and see $20 million worht of it (literally!)

Games are ment to be fun. I like originality, good storylines, and scenery, but it shouldn't have to sacrifice gameplay.

 

[twistedshadows]

Everyone is a hypocrite in one way or another.

I tend to agree with this. Most people seem to reveal some form of hypocrisy whether they realize it or not.

 

[theultimateend]

Well while you are bringing up hypocrisy, one thing I personally love is all the people on here who rant and rave about gay rights do not bat a eye when Yahtzee makes gay jokes. Anyone else and it would be insensitive and they would be a bigot and would get nothing but hate.
People are sheep.

So wait. I am not allowed to laugh about any group of people I care about?

So basically I'm not allowed to enjoy any joke about any group of people on the entire planet? What about kittens? I like kittens but chuckle at a good kitten blender joke.

so we've officially reached a point where we must be stereotypically "balls deep" into something or else we are against it? Is that what it has come down to?

I find it funny that you'd mention Yahtzee because he just got done explaining how points like the one you just made are retarded. Not to say that you are, but that point sure was.

Likewise I hardly think he's special in the fact that people let him make wild jokes, it's just that you overlook when anyone else gets away with it. It's called confirmation bias, its a wonderful thing and its partially the culprit to why we are all hypocrits.

 

[Same River New Water]

The hypocrisy is this: People who complain about cut scenes, yet think games are a form of art, or like games that have artistic effects. What these people fail to realize is that these cut scenes that they abhor are part of what make video games a form of art.

Where's the hypocrisy?

Video games can be art, but art does not mean "good art". That depends on the execution.

Cut scenes are a form of art; they can be good or bad. Most often they're a minor consideration to the developers, so they're mediocre. Sometimes they're great. And occasionally they're the primary focus of the game and still bad (MGS, but that's just my opinion).

If cut scenes are done well enough, nobody will complain about them. If a game is filled with dull cut scenes, though, as often happens, it makes the game a worse game. It doesn't make it not art.

Well while you are bringing up hypocrisy, one thing I personally love is all the people on here who rant and rave about gay rights do not bat a eye when Yahtzee makes gay jokes. Anyone else and it would be insensitive and they would be a bigot and would get nothing but hate.

There are different types of gay jokes.

Yahtzee occasional makes jokes about someone, usually himself, being gay. He doesn't imply that this is a bad thing, any more than he implies with his occasional jokes about straight sex that straight sex is bad.

The average sniggering forum troglodyte makes comments - usually not even presented as jokes, just provocative trolling declarations - that declare something they don't like to be "gay". If a game is bad, it's gay. If a person is stupid, they're gay. If something doesn't turn out the way they wanted, it's gay. The key is that it says anything gay is bad.

There is a big, big difference. Even leaving out the appalling implications of "gay = bad", it's lazy and not funny.

From memory, I think Yahtzee has made the latter kind of joke from time to time, and it wasn't funny.

 

[Lord Krunk]

This isn't hypocrisy at all. It's not hypocritical to say that movies are a form of art but to say that you don't like shaky-cam or jump cuts.

That's exactly what I was thinking.

 

[More Fun To Compute]

What annoys me is the equations that people seem to have in their heads that go "game = bad", "art = good", "movies = art" and so on. You wouldn't have to go through all of this pointless manoeuvring if you could just accept that you like playing games. I don't care if this makes me a hypocrite and you think that I should have to watch 5 hours of crappy game cinematics as penance.

 

[Strong Intelligent]

I think every game should have skippable cutscenes, but a gallery to watch them later.

TimeSplitters did it right.

 

[VitalSigns]

just because you like art dosent mean you want to spend 20 minuets on every exhibit.

This, Minus the spelling mistake, for me the cutscene issue is having to watch them over again through multiple playthroughs.

Well while you are bringing up hypocrisy, one thing I personally love is all the people on here who rant and rave about gay rights do not bat a eye when Yahtzee makes gay jokes. Anyone else and it would be insensitive and they would be a bigot and would get nothing but hate.
People are sheep.

Key word here is Jokes, I doubt very much Yahtzee is homophobic, and he isn't driven by a desire to spew hate speech. As Yahtzee said a truly tolerant society is a society where everyone can make jokes about eachother and laugh about it.

 

[macatombe]

Cut Scenes need to be skippable

I'm stuck at this bit in Mass Effect it goes like this.
Walk up hill watch 20 second cutscene containing Shepard and his party looking around and then getting two armaments dropped on them. Get taken down by a one hit kill from a geth sniper. Loading. Walk up hill ect....