Somebody called me a Douche

[Fightgarr]

Meet the man who was raised on PC games, and considers himself a hardcore gamer. In the sense that I love playing games, and speaks full sentences when talking into a mike. Please note that there are several types of us, and most are pleasent, well groomed, and will help newbies.

It seems the hatred for these terms does not come from the games themselves, but the industry surrounding them. In this case, I do agree that they can be obscured and overused.

Please note, I wasn't attempting to pigeon hole you into the stereotype I mentioned. I'm simply stating that the term's connotations are so negative that the term itself has become an extremely negative stigma. I don't hate the 'hardcore' term so much as I hate the use of 'casual' and the implication that 'casual' gamers aren't 'real gamers'[footnote]Again, not saying this is you.[/footnote].

 

[Pimppeter2]

I hate when people say Gears of War or Call of Duty are hardcore games, then condemn people for playing Halo because its "Mainstream".

It makes my brain hurt.

 

[Bored Tomatoe]

Now, I didn't call you a douche, I made said that your black and white usage of the terms made it seem so. It might have been a little harsh, and I apologize if you were offended, but the point of what I said on your earlier thread was that using the terms "casual" and "hardcore" was ineffective for the same reason that a definitive, numbered score was: It gives little to no room for overlap.

 

[Knight Templar]

They don't really have meaning. Pokemon can be very time consuming and have crushing depth to gameplay, yet many people would call it casual dispite it's multiplayer needing more skill than say COD4's multiplayer. Wouldn't that mean you need to call COD4 casual as it is not as "hardcore" as Pokemon, a game most others define as 100% casual?
Logicly you would, but I doubt you many people would agree.

Start calling games "good" and "evil" based on paper thin reasoning and people would call you crazy, so why are equaly arbitrary and undefined terms ok?

Furthermore if a game is more hardcore than another how do you express this? As a percentage, or fraction, or letter?

 

[lockeslylcrit]

Calling someone a douche or a douchebag is an ineffective insult. It implies the person you are insulting actually sees some vagina. You can use that as a retort!

 

[Shapsters]

My brain is hurting trying to understand the connection between the title of the thread and the subject of the thread. ?:{

As does mine.

I... I don't think there is one... or is there?

*head explodes*

 

[Sven und EIN HUND]

My brain is hurting trying to understand the connection between the title of the thread and the subject of the thread. ?:{

this, also, I LOVE your avatar, I got it straight away

But yeah, I'm not really sure what this is about. Hardcore games vs casual games??? I'll use WoW as an exampled, in the vanilla years, it was a hardcore game. You needed to play a lot to get places. Blizzard gradually gradually gradually made it more casual and more casual until today, when you can either play it hardcore or casual.

 

[thiosk]

Maybe people wouldn't call you a douche if you weren't a douche.

 

[King of the N00bs]

some games are fun to some. i like ones that i find tasteful

 

[FallenJellyDoughnut]

Maybe your just a douche and when you said it, you sounded douchey or uptight.

 

[FallenJellyDoughnut]

Well i cant refute whether or not you are a douche...but games are games. They might not involve the same amount of dedication but its still a program played via a computer/console and therefore a video game.

Have you ever played Bejewled?
"not involve the same amount of dedication" my absurdly perfect ass.

So we are back to generalizing games now, after they sought to distinguish them from one another? Is Wii bowling the same as Gears of War?

No.
One is cool.
The other is Gears of War.
(haw haw haw)

Anyway, as long as it's not a derisive "suck on that, casual gamer scum," I don't see the problem in differentiating between (what you think are) casual and hardcore games.

Although I'm not sure how perfectly absurd your ass is, I don't actually think bejewlled is quite easy and doesn't require much dedication.

 

[Flour]

For those interested, this [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.148811?page=1] is the thread the TC is talking about.

My brain is hurting trying to understand the connection between the title of the thread and the subject of the thread. ?:{

It's very simple. A small child yelling he/she got hurt to get attention.(thread title) Then with the attention some poor arguments were presented that make my brain bleed trying to understand.(but that might be because I haven't slept in over a day)

 

[Acid Armageddon]

My brain is hurting trying to understand the connection between the title of the thread and the subject of the thread. ?:{

Yes, please be more elaborate OP

 

[CrysisMcGee]

Now, I didn't call you a douche, I made said that your black and white usage of the terms made it seem so. It might have been a little harsh, and I apologize if you were offended, but the point of what I said on your earlier thread was that using the terms "casual" and "hardcore" was ineffective for the same reason that a definitive, numbered score was: It gives little to no room for overlap.

Indeed. The terms can become obscure and overused. I'd like them changed to Games for your mom, and games for your teenager.

As for the review score, it is up to the reviewer.

 

[Legion]

You don't call Chick Flick's 'casual films' and Action Movies such as Indiana Jones 'hardcore' so why would you make the same distinction with games?

The are both aimed at different audiences, and both hope to achieve different reactions out of those audiences. The former is generally lighter, and aimed at women like casual games are frequently aimed at, and the latter is usually aimed at adolescent to young adult males.

 

[CrysisMcGee]

They don't really have meaning. Pokemon can be very time consuming and have crushing depth to gameplay, yet many people would call it casual dispite it's multiplayer needing more skill than say COD4's multiplayer. Wouldn't that mean you need to call COD4 casual as it is not as "hardcore" as Pokemon, a game most others define as 100% casual?
Logicly you would, but I doubt you many people would agree.

Start calling games "good" and "evil" based on paper thin reasoning and people would call you crazy, so why are equaly arbitrary and undefined terms ok?

Furthermore if a game is more hardcore than another how do you express this? As a percentage, or fraction, or letter?

It seems the definations have become obscured and overused. Pokemon could be considered both, and that is where the confusion comes in. It's not the games themselves that people hate, its the stigma surrounding the words. I think we should change them into games for your mom, and games for your teenager.

 

[CrysisMcGee]

Maybe your just a douche and when you said it, you sounded douchey or uptight.

I called Bioshock A casual game disguised as a hardcore game. Makes sense to me, but others did not like it. I should have said it has elements of both, and will please many people.

Maybe I should have compared it to pokemon? that is pretty much the same. Elements of hardcore and casual. Hell, I've play pokemon.

 

[More Fun To Compute]

How about we don't decide what to play based on some profile that a boring businessman has cooked up in a spreadsheet.

I can play an immature game for kids like Gears of War if I want. Nothing is stopping me and it can be sort of enjoyable even if it is a bit embarrassing.