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FitScotGaymer

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Ya see I dont buy that arguement.

That "paying" keeps out the idiots. You can have a good community if you have a good moderating team. You don't need to add a pay ceiling and then justify it as a security measure.

It just seems fallacious and utterly false to me.

It also just looks, given that popularity of LPs has exploded recently and a search for Let's Plays returns the SA LP forum and the LP archive at the very top of googles search results, that they are money grubbing.

At least thats how it looks to me.
 

Soviet Heavy

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They DO have a good moderating team. They have, what, 17 mods I think? And they can manage over 150 0000 members with ease, because of how well the site can self govern.
 

Sticky Squid

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I find that the fee is not particularly expensive and it functions well in both of its primary goals in that it helps fund the site as well as keeping out users that could perhaps be considered undesireable.
 

him over there

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SA has been pay to post for a very long time, nearly its entirety. Is it really so hard to pay ten bucks so you can post on a forum and they can pay their bills? It also comes with the benefit of filtering out fucks since nobody would pay 10 dollars to troll a forum.
 

NortherWolf

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I used to be very wary of SA, due to how douchy they could come across.

Then I stumbled across their RPG forums and hot damn...I've never seen a better rpg forum in my life.
I go to RPG.net and find myself annoyed at how much they grovel if you just put "RPG designer" in your CV...SA, not so much. I've seen them butcher dickwads like the guys who made the Cthulhutech rpg, and with good right! So yeah, SA is alright in my book.
 

FitScotGaymer

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As I said guys, that arguement about filtering out the ****s?

It really doesn't wash with me. As I said a good moderating team can encourage a good community without having resort to an odd/artificial barrier for entry.

I lurked for about 6 months and I lost count of the amount of ppl they banned for being ****s. Granted some were, and some werent.

@NorthernWolf

Thats exactly why I don't want to pay the tenner.

I dont want to pay that money to be subjected to douchebaggery. And if I paid id feel compelled to actually post, when I don't want to. I just wanna read the LPs. lol.

I am unemployed at the moment so a tenner is a fairly large additional expense for me. That i can't really justify to myself.

Not with the way they come off.

And I don't really understand how anyone else can justify it - because the reasons I have seen given so far, as I said don't really wash lol.
 

The Funslinger

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Wonderful standard they're trying to set xD

DugMachine said:
Only gone to SA for the Slender stuff but that's pretty fucked up if this is the case. Never heard of having to pay for forums.
Incidentally, your avatar is godly.
 

Savryc

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Meh. It sucks that you can't get to your LP's but to be honest you're probably better off, I've yet to hear anything good about SA but it's their site. Dems the breaks.
 

NortherWolf

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FitScotGaymer said:
As I said guys, that arguement about filtering out the ****s?

It really doesn't wash with me. As I said a good moderating team can encourage a good community without having resort to an odd/artificial barrier for entry.

I lurked for about 6 months and I lost count of the amount of ppl they banned for being ****s. Granted some were, and some werent.

@NorthernWolf

Thats exactly why I don't want to pay the tenner.

I dont want to pay that money to be subjected to douchebaggery. And if I paid id feel compelled to actually post, when I don't want to. I just wanna read the LPs. lol.

I am unemployed at the moment so a tenner is a fairly large additional expense for me. That i can't really justify to myself.

Not with the way they come off.

And I don't really understand how anyone else can justify it - because the reasons I have seen given so far, as I said don't really wash lol.
Well I am sad they've gone Pay to View too, because I loved their Obscure RPG's-thread. However, I also enjoy the naked honesty they had so I don't agree with your assessments.
To explain my earlier example; the Tabletop RPG Chtulhutech is pretty much one of the msot offensive pieces of shit ever put on paper. It's juvenile, racist(all muslims are fanatics. Space Negroes want to live in the Caribbean.), sexist as hell (a warehouse full of rape-victim women in boxes? Check. A monster that lets men get the sex of their lives but if the PC is female she'll have a monster baby chewing through her womb?). It's youtube atheist, creepy (they have a section of one book detailing the sexual habits of 10-12 year olds).
When on of the designers popped up on rpg net some people wanted to know about all of those things, and why it used rape as a very recurring shock method. A shitload of people were banned for asking why.
On SA however, those same questions were asked and then people tore through the game and it's shitty arguments. So the "oh no they ban people at whim" you bring up I could just as easily bring up for "respectable" forums.
 

Admiral Stukov

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FitScotGaymer said:
As I said guys, that arguement about filtering out the ****s?

It really doesn't wash with me. As I said a good moderating team can encourage a good community without having resort to an odd/artificial barrier for entry.

I lurked for about 6 months and I lost count of the amount of ppl they banned for being ****s. Granted some were, and some werent.

@NorthernWolf

Thats exactly why I don't want to pay the tenner.

I dont want to pay that money to be subjected to douchebaggery. And if I paid id feel compelled to actually post, when I don't want to. I just wanna read the LPs. lol.

I am unemployed at the moment so a tenner is a fairly large additional expense for me. That i can't really justify to myself.

Not with the way they come off.

And I don't really understand how anyone else can justify it - because the reasons I have seen given so far, as I said don't really wash lol.
Speaking as an SA member, SA is probably better off without you. The registration fee evidently does a stellar job of keeping people who end sentences with "lol." out.

The 40k thread over there is much better than any dedicated 40k forum like Warseer or Dakka, and that's just sad.

True, goons often comes off with a smug superiority, but they are friendly amongst themselves.
And yes, the terms for getting a probation might be harsh, but they are fair. If you don't contribute, don't post. Simple as that. And unlike the moderators on this site SA mods are consistent.

Oh, and what the fuck is "****s" supposed to mean? "Forks" maybe? Writing something like that makes you look like you're 12.
DVS BSTrD said:
If it's such a miserable place, you're better off without it.
All I can see when I look at your avatar is
which kind of makes your post smell slightly of hypocrisy.

And a protip to anyone who wants to read LPs when SA is restricted: lparchive.org
 

FitScotGaymer

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Admiral Stukov said:
FitScotGaymer said:
As I said guys, that arguement about filtering out the ****s?

It really doesn't wash with me. As I said a good moderating team can encourage a good community without having resort to an odd/artificial barrier for entry.

I lurked for about 6 months and I lost count of the amount of ppl they banned for being ****s. Granted some were, and some werent.

@NorthernWolf

Thats exactly why I don't want to pay the tenner.

I dont want to pay that money to be subjected to douchebaggery. And if I paid id feel compelled to actually post, when I don't want to. I just wanna read the LPs. lol.

I am unemployed at the moment so a tenner is a fairly large additional expense for me. That i can't really justify to myself.

Not with the way they come off.

And I don't really understand how anyone else can justify it - because the reasons I have seen given so far, as I said don't really wash lol.
Speaking as an SA member, SA is probably better off without you. The registration fee evidently does a stellar job of keeping people who end sentences with "lol." out.

The 40k thread over there is much better than any dedicated 40k forum like Warseer or Dakka, and that's just sad.

True, goons often comes off with a smug superiority, but they are friendly amongst themselves.
And yes, the terms for getting a probation might be harsh, but they are fair. If you don't contribute, don't post. Simple as that. And unlike the moderators on this site SA mods are consistent.

Oh, and what the fuck is "****s" supposed to mean? "Forks" maybe? Writing something like that makes you look like you're 12.
DVS BSTrD said:
If it's such a miserable place, you're better off without it.
All I can see when I look at your avatar is
which kind of makes your post smell slightly of hypocrisy.

And a protip to anyone who wants to read LPs when SA is restricted: lparchive.org

And posts like this is why I am wary of SA.

Thank you for proving my point so very nicely.

EDIT:
I should say that i posted this thread with a genuine confusion about the policy, and a genuine wish to have it explained to me.
Because as I have said I LIKE the LP section. And I would have considered paying the fee had someone been able to make a convincing and compelling arguement to me about SA, the pros of joining it, and a good explanation for the fee.

It was a genuine desire to understand, and perhaps have my mind changed.
 

lacktheknack

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I think you're the last to know about this.

This has been in place for years as a response to troll threads. Worked like a charm, I believe. Ten bucks isn't much if you really want to join in, and if you don't, why bother?
 

Soviet Heavy

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Admiral Stukov said:
The 40k thread over there is much better than any dedicated 40k forum like Warseer or Dakka, and that's just sad.
Hey now, I'm having a blast on DakkaDakka picking apart fourteen year olds delusional attempts at writing fluff and thinking they will get paid for it.

I just avoid the TT Rules section and stick to Background, General and Fiction. Its the only parts that interest me anymore.
 

FitScotGaymer

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lacktheknack said:
I think you're the last to know about this.

This has been in place for years as a response to troll threads. Worked like a charm, I believe. Ten bucks isn't much if you really want to join in, and if you don't, why bother?

Lol seems so.
 

Admiral Stukov

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FitScotGaymer said:
EDIT:
I should say that i posted this thread with a genuine confusion about the policy, and a genuine wish to have it explained to me.
Because as I have said I LIKE the LP section. And I would have considered paying the fee had someone been able to make a convincing and compelling arguement to me about SA, the pros of joining it, and a good explanation for the fee.

It was a genuine desire to understand, and perhaps have my mind changed.
Alright, I'll bite.
Why does it cost 10 bucks to join SA? Sure restricting posting to those who are prepared to pay for it is one aspect, but not the main one.
The real reason is that running an internet forum costs money. SA is just very blatant on the point where the money comes from.
Take this site; Publisher's Club - you pay a yearly fee (yearly, not one-time like on SA) to get High Quality videos, access to the PubClub subsection, to get rid of the ads on the page, and the captcha.

Paying for benefits, how unheard of.
In essence the PubClub over here is almost exactly the same thing as the registration fee at SA, the only differences being that while SA restricts all posting to non-paying people, Escapist only restricts posting on one part of the site. And the fact that you have to keep paying to keep the benefits.

Maybe it's just me, but I prefer when it's more up front.

The thing that makes SA both good, and scary at first glance, is that essentially; being an idiot is a bannable offense. I'll admit, I spent years lurking SA before I paid the ten bucks, several months after I paid before posting.

So, why would one wish to join the goon hivemind?
Playing games with fellow goons:
I've had tons of fun playing Tribes Ascend with goons, and ask pretty much anyone that plays EVE about goonswarm.

Unrestricted access to LPs from the place that invented them:
This one's pretty self-explanatory, but to be honest, the only real difference between following an LP live on the forums compared to reading on on lparchive.org is the ability to give feedback. And the excruciating wait for updates.

An expansive knowledge database on games:
These days if I want information about a game, the first place I check is always the OP of that game's thread on SA. There's rarely a need for me to go to a second place.

Those three are the most general I can think of off the top of my head, beyond that it's highly individual what you see in that site. I for example consider their moderating team exceptional, but others might find them too harsh (mostly people who fail to read and/or understand the forum rules).

Lastly, I am in no way representative of "the typical goon", so take everything I say with a grain of salt.
And aside from the occasional periods where SA locks for non-goons, just wait a while, then resume lurking. SA have way more than quality Let's Plays to offer, and most of it is worth having a look at. A free look.
 

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FitScotGaymer said:
I just don't get it.
It wasnt locked before. I couldn't post but I could at least lurk n read the LPs... Now bugger all.
It's a thing that happens on there from time to time. It'll go back to normal eventually.
 

Comocat

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They used to have forums dedicated to pirating various things (porn, movies and music). I think the money was in part to keep the riff-raff out and also because they could.
 

Comocat

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Admiral Stukov said:
Soviet Heavy said:
Admiral Stukov said:
The 40k thread over there is much better than any dedicated 40k forum like Warseer or Dakka, and that's just sad.
Hey now, I'm having a blast on DakkaDakka picking apart fourteen year olds delusional attempts at writing fluff and thinking they will get paid for it.

I just avoid the TT Rules section and stick to Background, General and Fiction. Its the only parts that interest me anymore.
Oh, the 40k thread on SA also have fun picking 14 year olds fanfics about a primarch's son or whatever apart.

Comocat said:
They used to have forums dedicated to pirating various things (porn, movies and music). I think the money was in part to keep the riff-raff out and also because they could.
Oh look, another moron thinking that "SA is a den of pirates and thieves!"
Even admitting piracy is against the forum rules, not to mention enabling, like say giving advice about torrents, linking torrents, etc. That shit will get you thrown out faster than you can say "piratebay".
They used to have an entire section of the forum for stuff like that. I'm not passing judgement- its a fact on a thing that used to exist but no longer does. You didnt need to link anything because the users provided all the hosting, SA just facilitated it. Maybe it was before your time, this was after all maybe 8 years ago. I think the moron thing was uncalled for.
 

PurePareidolia

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I'm this close to actually signing up - I've been watching the Dangan Ronpa thread for a while and it's seriously great. In fact I've really enjoyed a lot of the LPs on there, and while it's just hard to justify paying, I have gotten more than $10 worth of entertainment form them already.