Sometimes I don't understand forum moderators

[JPArbiter]

SO I was typing away in the forums for Battletech. no I won't explain it to you if you don't know, games been around for a quarter of a century, you can find it. Anyway one thread was asking "in official Battletech fiction what was one quote that left you speechless."

I reiterated my reading of the Battletech Novel Grave Covenant, and how the main character was impaled to a wooden floor by a katana, and had to pull the sword out, stumble through the blood loss to his assailant and stab him through the heart, saying and I QUOTED

"Stupid Shit! Davions take a lot of killing!" before partially decapitating the would be assassin.

about 3 minutes later I received a notice that that was my fifth warning and I had a one month posting ban. the offense was swearing.

obviously I am no stranger to forum warnings, moderating a few pages as well as posting on a few. the rules say no swearing. But my counter is that I quoted an official work. so far I have not gotten a response.

your guy's opinion, was this deserved or not.

 

[New Troll]

Even though the quote was from an official novel, the novel does not mean it shares the exact same readers as the forums for the franchise. As such, I completely understand their ruling since they must accommodate for the whole (children and adults alike.)

 

[Findlebob]

Give people a little bit of power

 

[New Troll]

Most forum mods are pussies, plain and simple. Which is why an automatic system did it for them.
For the mods that don't use the system, they get butthurt over ever little thing they rubs them the wrong way.

No, it was deserved, but you might have been dealing with a Christian mod who believes swearing is right next to murder or masturbation, as one of the worst things you can do. Because he's a little pussy.

Just like most mods.

I would have to disagree. Though there are many mods who let the power get to them, the majority of mods I've worked with have been quite understanding and reasonable. But with that said, rules are made for a reason and it really should be every mods responsibility to uphold them the best way they know how. If that means restricting swearing on a forum which might have minors as a reader-base, then even what you might consider a 'minor' offense might be what drives a parent to restricting their child's involvement with those boards anymore or might be what drives a more sensitive individual away.

 

[Blunderboy]

Even though the quote was from an official novel, the novel does not mean it shares the exact same readers as the forums for the franchise. As such, I completely understand their ruling since they must accommodate for the whole (children and adults alike.)

This.
You could have easily written "Stupid Sh*t." It's a small difference, but it's polite.
Some forums don't mind swearing, others do. It's just good manners to censor it unless you know for certain that it's not frowned upon.
The fact that you're quoting something changes nothing.

 

[JPArbiter]

Even though the quote was from an official novel, the novel does not mean it shares the exact same readers as the forums for the franchise. As such, I completely understand their ruling since they must accommodate for the whole (children and adults alike.)

This.
You could have easily written "Stupid Sh*t." It's a small difference, but it's polite.
Some forums don't mind swearing, others do. It's just good manners to censor it unless you know for certain that it's not frowned upon.
The fact that you're quoting something changes nothing.

actually that was EXACTLY what I did

anyway I am trying to appeal the ruling (to which as a result of how the posting ban is structured is actually REALLY hard) and if it stands, I will eat it with grace and dignity, prolly sit out on posting in the forums at all for an extended period unless it is to announce the next episode of the battletech podcast I host and produce.

 

[Blunderboy]

Even though the quote was from an official novel, the novel does not mean it shares the exact same readers as the forums for the franchise. As such, I completely understand their ruling since they must accommodate for the whole (children and adults alike.)

This.
You could have easily written "Stupid Sh*t." It's a small difference, but it's polite.
Some forums don't mind swearing, others do. It's just good manners to censor it unless you know for certain that it's not frowned upon.
The fact that you're quoting something changes nothing.

I completely disagree. The day a forum mod asks me to censor a direct quote is the day I'm lodging a complaint and making my exit from this site. It's unacceptable that words like "shit" and "fuck" have to be censored in the 21st century.[/quote]

Even if children are using the forums in question? Which century we are in is irrelevant if a parent does not want their child exposed to swear words.
Most forums will have a user base that is mostly adult and so this is not an issue, but many forums out there are likely to have people access them who are not fans of swearing, or younger then most users.

 

[Kirex]

Even if hadn't censored it, it's a direct quote, why should you censor quotes? It's one thing to be cursing directly in a forum full of people who mind it(because you know what you're going into, if you had done that, it would be your own fault), but this?
I seriously don't get it, it's not like curse words kill your soul, especially when you clearly don't use them for the sake of offending anyone.

 

[TheRightToArmBears]

I sort of see your point. I don't understand why age-13 rules are applied to forums such as say, the TESNexus forums, when all the games it supports are rated above that, and the site openly hosts nudity and sex simulation mods.

 

[Kekkles]

As a quote it should not be changed. As it's a quote, the expletive would still technically be there since the spelling of the word 'fuck' with an asterisk replacing the vowel is still portrayed as 'fuck', is it not?

The mod that banned you for swearing is nothing more than a spineless fuck that shouldn't be on the internet if offended by one of the most commonly used words in the English language (that was an exaggeration but you can see my point). I do believe the forum you were previously on is run by ninnies and should be evacuated, before you become one too.

 

[JPArbiter]

As a quote it should not be changed. As it's a quote, the expletive would still technically be there since the spelling of the word 'fuck' with an asterisk replacing the vowel is still portrayed as 'fuck', is it not?

The mod that banned you for swearing is nothing more than a spineless fuck that shouldn't be on the internet if offended by one of the most commonly used words in the English language (that was an exaggeration but you can see my point). I do believe the forum you were previously on is run by ninnies and should be evacuated, before you become one too.

sadly I love the franchise to much, to the point of creating a podcast for it.

 

[JoJo]

As a quote it should not be changed. As it's a quote, the expletive would still technically be there since the spelling of the word 'fuck' with an asterisk replacing the vowel is still portrayed as 'fuck', is it not?

The mod that banned you for swearing is nothing more than a spineless fuck that shouldn't be on the internet if offended by one of the most commonly used words in the English language (that was an exaggeration but you can see my point). I do believe the forum you were previously on is run by ninnies and should be evacuated, before you become one too.

I strongly disagree, if swearing is against the rules then the mod has to punish it, it doesn't mean he or she is personally offended. If anything the mod would be a "spineless fuck" if he gave in to pressure and didn't punish the infraction. I know nothing about those forums and to be honest I think enforcing a no swearing ban isn't a good idea unless the forum is aimed at pre-teens, but it's their site, their rules.

 

[CannibalCorpses]

Why did Giest4life get a warning for that post above? It might add some credence to something i was arguing on another thread.

(skips back to original thread) Harsh as hell dude but your not going to get any ground given on it. The rules are the rules blah blah blah. They won't even consider your arguments because they have black and white rules that must be obeyed above all else. The only reason they have any power over you at all is because of those rules and they aren't going to budge one iota on them. If it's a case of 1 complaint against 1 comment then you stand a chance but if their actions please 2 or more people then you have no chance.

 

[Jonluw]

Why did Giest4life get a warning for that post above?

The administration prefers that users with complaints (normally because they don't agree with the rules in place) take the issue up with the staff instead of ranting about it in threads.
We do get quite a few threads consisting of a user whining about a probation or warning they received. It almost always turns out to be because said user did not read the forum rules. And no: you not agreeing with the forum rules is not an excuse not to follow them.

I think the staff just got so tired of the endless whining that they decided to ban any and all complaining about specific penalties you have received in threads.

That is not to say they ban complaints or bringing issues with the site into light. If you have a legitimate concern you may for instance create a thread, so long as you are arguing rationally and calmly, and refrain from attacking site staff.

Spoiler: Incidentally, I have a funny picture illustrating the phenomenon lying around.

OT: Yeah, I think it's stupid that they enforce pre-teen rules on a forum dedicated to adult-oriented novels.
Still, it's their forum and they're free to set down whatever rules they like.
i.e. the mods aren't stupid. The rules are silly. That still doesn't mean you shouldn't follow the rules the administration has laid down.

To be honest though, I'd have thoght I'd be off the hook if I swore in a quote as well.
Good thing this forum let's us swear as much as we fucking like so long as we aren't insulting others then.

 

[ComicsAreWeird]

Yeah. The ban was a bit harsh, but next time type "sh*t" and you´ll probably be fine.

 

[TheYellowCellPhone]

They warned you for swearing?

I've NEVER heard that happening before. Around 90% of my posts have swears in them, and I haven't gotten a warning for that.

 

[genericusername64]

See, moderators get off on the amount of power they have, so sometimes they flex their banhammer just to show you whos baws. Even though it eventually kills whatever fun the forum had in the first place*


*see spoony experiment

 

[Korak the Mad]

Even though the quote was from an official novel, the novel does not mean it shares the exact same readers as the forums for the franchise. As such, I completely understand their ruling since they must accommodate for the whole (children and adults alike.)

This.
You could have easily written "Stupid Sh*t." It's a small difference, but it's polite.
Some forums don't mind swearing, others do. It's just good manners to censor it unless you know for certain that it's not frowned upon.
The fact that you're quoting something changes nothing.

Exactly, you have to be careful what you say, for there can (and there usually is) someone who will be offended by it.

 

[VanTesla]

SO I was typing away in the forums for Battletech. no I won't explain it to you if you don't know, games been around for a quarter of a century, you can find it. Anyway one thread was asking "in official Battletech fiction what was one quote that left you speechless."

I reiterated my reading of the Battletech Novel Grave Covenant, and how the main character was impaled to a wooden floor by a katana, and had to pull the sword out, stumble through the blood loss to his assailant and stab him through the heart, saying and I QUOTED

"Stupid Shit! Davions take a lot of killing!" before partially decapitating the would be assassin.

about 3 minutes later I received a notice that that was my fifth warning and I had a one month posting ban. the offense was swearing.

obviously I am no stranger to forum warnings, moderating a few pages as well as posting on a few. the rules say no swearing. But my counter is that I quoted an official work. so far I have not gotten a response.

your guy's opinion, was this deserved or not.

I think it's asinine and they should remove the warning. I dislike the fact warnings don't have a expiration date if you don't receive any more after X amount of time as well.

I have seen many moderators abuse their power of banning people and letting other bigger cases slide... I got a warning for answering the OP topic of do you like classical music for me just saying "love it"... It's not like I spammed and I answered the question...

 

[Soviet Heavy]

Even though the quote was from an official novel, the novel does not mean it shares the exact same readers as the forums for the franchise. As such, I completely understand their ruling since they must accommodate for the whole (children and adults alike.)

This.
You could have easily written "Stupid Sh*t." It's a small difference, but it's polite.
Some forums don't mind swearing, others do. It's just good manners to censor it unless you know for certain that it's not frowned upon.
The fact that you're quoting something changes nothing.

I completely disagree. The day a forum mod asks me to censor a direct quote is the day I'm lodging a complaint and making my exit from this site. It's unacceptable that words like "shit" and "fuck" have to be censored in the 21st century.

Even if children are using the forums in question? Which century we are in is irrelevant if a parent does not want their child exposed to swear words.
Most forums will have a user base that is mostly adult and so this is not an issue, but many forums out there are likely to have people access them who are not fans of swearing, or younger then most users.[/quote]

I'm wondering what kind of child is going to be using a freaking Battletech Forum. Most kids too young for swearing have probably never even heard about it. Same goes for this website. You need to be a teenager to join, and that means that you have been exposed to swearing before.
It depends on the context of the site.