Sony Hacker Lawsuits Earn the Wrath of Anonymous [UPDATED]

[Celtic_Kerr]

Oh boy, Something tells me this is not going to end up pretty. I usually favor Anon with a lot of things, but this time it feels... off. Dunno how else to put it.

I think this might be why, it's why it feels off for me

SONY isn't abusing the legal system, they're USING the legal system. You might think what they're suing for is wrong, but if the judge allows the case to go through, it's because it's not abusing the legal system and a case can be made by both sides. You might not like what SONY is doing, but a legal battle is a viable option for SONY, they are using it, and if you don't understand that, tough.

I've supported Anon' MANY times in the past, including the WBC bollocks they went through, but they were right for that. WBC was pushing hate on the world. SONY is not abusing the legal system, they are simply using that method

Why is it that EVERY TIME someone twitches the wrong way, Anonymous goes "You are abusing the public and misusing all of this! We shall teach you a lesson!" like their donning batman's fucking cape? I can understand it if they get involved in an issue or two, but now they're hacking for the sake of hacking, they're watching everything going "Can we find a reason to hack for that? no...... How about that? ...... no....... OOooooh, lets do THIS!!!!"

 

[Macgyvercas]

Here we go again...

Hey, just sit back and enjoy. It always gets amusing when Anon shows up. In fact, I'm surprised he took this long.

 

[JDKJ]

"Don't you dare complain about your software being hacked or we'll hack your website" -- Anonymous

"Courts? We don't need no stinking courts! We'll be the judge and executioner." -- Anonymous

 

[Atmos Duality]

The relationship between Sony and PS3 hackers is a very complex one, even if Anonymous wants to paint it as a black and white, hackers are right, Sony is wrong, kind of deal. It's hard to know who to root for - ignoring for a moment that what Anonymous is threatening to do is illegal - as both sides make valid points in their arguments. On the one hand, it's hard to disagree with the idea that people should be able to tinker with something that they own, but on the other hand, it's impossible to ignore the fact that that tinkering can often enable software piracy. It remains to be seen, however, whether a few denial of service attacks is going to be enough to make Sony see things Anonymous' way.

One side being right does not mean the other must be wrong; ethics doesn't work that way.
Knowing that, I won't be rooting for either.

 

[Tsaba]

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Throwing a tantrum will sure teach them.

I mean, we could just get people to boycott the products and services. Let supply and demand do the "dirty work." But we're afraid that not enough people are bothered by this. So, instead, Anonymous gets louder and pretends it represents the majority interest.

And all they're going to do is make a harder road for those of us that would rather initiate dialogue with Sony to make changes. It'll be impossible to talk the issue out anymore, because they'll have clear reason to say, "This is why we don't 'negotiate' with hackers." Because we're so anxious to prove them right, they never have to admit they're wrong.

I totally agree
Penny for your thoughts

 

[Canadamus Prime]

Anonymous is fucking stupid. There I said it.

And as for Sony, if tinkering with the console can lead to piracy, then persecute those that are actually engaged in software piracy, not everyone that wants to tinker with the product that they bought and paid for.

 

[Wado Rhyu]

if the don't fuck up sony's stuff that it affects players I would say go ahead.

i must say its legal to tinker with your own stuff but you are not allowed to break the law by playing pirated software.

so the law is clear. do with the your stuff what you want but don't mess it up for other ppl or company's.

 

[Celtic_Kerr]

"Don't you dare complain about your software being hacked or we'll hack your website" -- Anonymous

Yeah, it's one thing to counter a hateful website like Westboro Baptist Church, but riding in liek you're a super hero employing "An eye for an eye" is just... Well... I just can't support it. As it is, I want Hotz and SONY to just shake hands, come to a comfy medium, and that's it

 

[WanderingFool]

Oh Good Fucking God... By comparison, this is making Bush look like he didnt really fuck up that bad with Iraq and Afghanistan. Thats saying something...

 

[Clankenbeard]

I disagree with the fact that people shouldn't be allowed to mod their products because they might use it for piracy. That's like saying we shouldn't sell people knives because they might cut others.

I agree in theory. But there's a potential to really screw up other people's gaming experience since that modded product can still intermingle with a greater community. There's a balance here that Sony is likely trying to preserve. The majority of PS3 gamers are just folks who want to plug into the community and have fun interacting (I'm guessing). A modded box can really stink that up.

If some guy modded his car with armor plating and gun turrets, the cops wouldn't let him drive it to work. And if they did, I sure as hell wouldn't want to see him every day on my morning commute. Sony (the police) is trying keep the public roads (their online gaming experience) clear of tanks (modded boxes) to protect the general public (dumb gamers like me who don't mod boxes).

 

[Shycte]

Oh Anon, may you never stop not having anything better to do.

 

[DannibalG36]

Anonymous is basically invincible.

So yeah.

 

[Charli]

I have found Sony's utter soulessness as of late to be a bit irksome.

As long as they don't affect player activity, go right ahead. Actions speak louder than words and us just grumbling under our breaths at injustices doesn't do anything to companies who are utterly convinced they know better than you. Dismantling and probing Hardware/Software has benefits and they're handling things a little like a small child who lost their dolly would, instead of with good graces.

They're more proactive than I would ever hope to be, so I have no right to criticize .

 

[JakobBloch]

it's impossible to ignore the fact that that tinkering can often enable software piracy.

The problem with this sort of thinking is that it leads to a "quilty till proven innoscent"-mentality. If being able to commit a crime have become enough to assume a crime, we have gone too far. If those are the standards we should follow then, knives, cigarette paper, computers, the internet, VCR's and dvd-players, cars, rope.... well you get the idea... should all be illegal or at least reason enough to assume wrong doing.

Enabeling crime is not crime in and of itself. It could be argued that it is a fine line, but without that fine line it becomes too easy for companies and the governments to get away with treating people like criminals. They already have it too easy as it is.

A company should not be able to sell a physical product and then claim that the customer has no right to do with it as he pleases.

The same technically goes for software. While a person is not allowed to ditribute the software in any way a producer should no have any say in how the consumer otherwise uses the product. The consumer should be allowed to tinker with, copy, erase, modify, replace, break, crack or otherwise alter the software AND hardware to his hearts content. As long as he accepts that all obligations from the manufacturer is then void. In escensce with the tinkering with the product all business is concluded.

Personally I think that all parties are idiots in some way. There are no good guys, just bad guys.

 

[Plumerou]

this is where it gets really interesting now that anonymous entered the ring :O!

 

[JDKJ]

"Don't you dare complain about your software being hacked or we'll hack your website" -- Anonymous

Yeah, it's one thing to counter a hateful website like Westboro Baptist Church, but riding in liek you're a super hero employing "An eye for an eye" is just... Well... I just can't support it. As it is, I want Hotz and SONY to just shake hands, come to a comfy medium, and that's it

And it's not like the inevitable blow-back is gonna win Hotz any brownie points with the Court. I can see the Judge saying, "These are the people who side against Sony and this is how they show their support? By taking over my job and passing their own judgment and sentence? I don't think so. Where that Hotz kid? Bring him in here. I wanna show him and his supporters who the real HNIC is."

 

[Tenky]

You know that anyone can take up the Anonymous banner right? so say about 12 of them went on like this, keep in mind that it's not all of the people under Anonymous caring for Sony...

Remember... the whole reason that Anon is causing so much trouble is because there is no order within... hell, most don't care and are still focusing on the humanitarian issues instead of this child's play.

 

[Misho-]

I love it how Hackers appear to think that hacking and causing damage to other people's property will somehow win over the public.

This is fucking stupid, regardless of which side you are on.

^^This...

Also I really think this is like that episode in South Park. (The Handsome hacker lad vs the stupid fat smelly corporate guy)>> Underpants Gnomes...

And I really don't agree wth Sony coming after the people who mod their PS3, but I fully support them comming after GeoHotz for posting their Intellectual Property (the System Root Key Thing) online When you buy a PS3 you don't buy the trade secrets from Sony, just the console.

 

[lazarus1209]

I?m sorry, but Anonymous is just wrong in this case. Sony is not suing for some innocent tinkering of the physical components of their PS3 machine, which you do own. They?re suing for modifications to the software which you DO NOT own. Software companies do not sell copies of their software and say, ?Do whatever you want with it!? Why? Because then competitors can get a nice look under the hood. Software applications that are sold come with the condition that you do not have access to, nor will you tamper with the source code (unless the source code is what is actually being sold). Selling source code is akin to selling your company. Sony wouldn?t sell it for $300. It would sell it for millions. So yeah, someone hacking the machine to get to this source code is illegal.

I support Anonymous in their stance on Net neutrality, but this just seems a case of the group just wanting to be David to Sony?s Goliath. Think of it this way ? would you really be against Sony in this case if it were some indie developer? Something like this would destroy them as a company. People pile on because it?s Sony ? the idea that they have no shortfall of money somehow makes it seem okay. All that is, is people rationalizing illegal and immoral activities. They want to make it okay in their own minds.

Wake up. The actions matter, not the target.