Sony is Doing Their Damn Job

[Woe Is You]

Yeah, and so was BP.

I'm sorry, but the bitching is justified, because this NEVER SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED IN THE FIRST PLACE.

You do know that no system is impossible to hack, right?

Obviously the guy/gal who pulled this stunt wasn't a scrub. He knew his way around a computer better than 99% of the users out there. Hell there's no guarentee that this same person couldn't turn around and pull this stunt on microsoft.


At the end of the day, shit happens.

Yup, but here's the thing: there were several failures on Sony's part here that, if they weren't there, would've at least made the hack less severe. For example: I sure as hell wouldn't keep the information of 77 million accounts in one concentrated place. Instead, I'd have the information split up regionally. While this obviously doesn't prevent hacks, it does make it so that the hackers won't be getting everything you happen to have.

And, hell, how does it take a week to find out whether your servers were hacked or not? It shouldn't take that long to figure this shit out if you have everything be monitored... especially huge database transactions. I know people in security firms like this and they usually have things like this figured out within 48 hours. And that's really the slowest, worst case scenario.

Shit like this really is inexcusable and I wouldn't at all be surprised if the whole "no firewall, old versions of Apache" story were true. This was the company that used constants for data that was supposed to be random, which ended up being the biggest reason the PS3 was hacked to begin with.

So, no, I have no reason to feel sorry for a multi-billion dollar corporation that has failed at just about everything they've done this generation.

 

[Akalistos]

I lol'd at sony initially, but now I just feel sorry for them. Sony deserves better from its public whining about how their network is down.
It is down because Sony is trying to get the service working, not trying to get it back up. They could have put it up a day after they took it down but they'd rather find the flaws and secure their shit.
And, by the by, they were running up to date software as well.

And no, I don't own a PS3 and I don't plan to.

They discovered that most of their server wasn't protected like any online company should. Because of those misstep, they actually may have given away credit info of their consumers to hackers. No, they deserve their shit. If they were that confident that they forgot basic protection, they have fail and this one deserve

 

[Pearwood]

First, as consumers, we should always be demanding of the corporations we like, we have to want perfect flawless products and cry havok when it doesn't happen or else we get coke 2, so screw the idea of not criticizing a major corporation. They get paid to sell us good services if they aren't always doing that they aren't doing their jobs.

True to some extent but drowning them in complaints when they're trying to patch things up doesn't do anyone any good. I think they're just applying all the security updates that would require PSN be taken down to apply, so it's only down once not intermittantly up and down.

As for whether or not their servers were updated and firewalled, there's nothing but speculation on both sides so it's not fair to judge them on that. If they have been running unprotected servers we'll hear about it because they will be taken to court and lose badly.

 

[Crises^]

I Unluckily bought a PS3 the day the network went down but I don't mind how long they take as long as its a secure strong online system when its back up.
Currently playing final fantasy 13 then got border lands then the god of war 1-2 to finish so wont be playing anything online fore quite a while anyway.
Although i do want to get netflix

 

[squid5580]

The title of this thread says it all. Now if they had done their job in the first place this might have been avoided.

 

[Exmigrant]

I Unluckily bought a PS3 the day the network went down but I don't mind how long they take as long as its a secure strong online system when its back up.
Currently playing final fantasy 13 then got border lands then the god of war 1-2 to finish so wont be playing anything online fore quite a while anyway.
Although i do want to get netflix

Netflix still works on my PS3, so i assume it will work on yours, even though the system is down.
OT: I feel sony is doing the best they can at the moment, and they predict the servers to be ready by May 30th,so i'm kinda glad they recreated their servers instead of just applying a cyber bandage to it. Better luck to them in the future.

 

[Netrigan]

I have to admire Sony's diligence, they don't just put up a small fix and call it good. I'm glad to see an overhaul. So as far as we know, they are doing internal testing. Which means they could be throwing every hack tool that they can find or even create. I hope it becomes a model of security for other networking companies.

Sounds like someone at Sony is willing to make the hard choice. Half-assing might work but opens you up to a potential crisis that results in a lot of people losing their jobs (heads always roll when a high-profile half-ass job blows up). Taking the long road means guaranteed short-term pain but after the dust settles, people are satisfied they've done their job properly.

 

[Woe Is You]

Half-assing their job lead to this crisis to begin with. That it's taking so long is merely a sign that it was so badly done originally that it has to be redone from the specs level.

 

[Netrigan]

Half-assing their job lead to this crisis to begin with. That it's taking so long is merely a sign that it was so badly done originally that it has to be redone from the specs level.

Quite possibly, but back-dated half-assing is easy to blame on someone else. Everything Sony does now is being watched and there's no way to explain a half-ass fix when governments are asking hard questions.

 

[blacon]

I stood up for Sony for the past three weeks, and I've always been a huuuge Sony fan.

But honestly, at this point they should be giving the public some sort of ETA.

 

[rokkolpo]

They'll be fine. The funny part is that this may be the end of Anonymous as we know it.

How do you mean?

 

[Funkysandwich]

It bothers me that the Saturn & Dreamcast get made fun of as failures when the likes of the biggest personal information leaks are caused by the likes other consoles.

Your point is invalid because both the Saturn and the Dreamcast never had a network like PSN on them. You can't steal data that hasn't even been collected.

 

[Atmos Duality]

I agree that Sony needs to get back on the stick, but letting a breach of that magnitude occur in the first place...yeah, it doesn't do a whole lot to bolster confidence.

 

[Xanthious]

The part of this entire comedy of errors that kind of surprises me is that they still have the servers for their MMOs down. When I see this I ask myself would another MMO company like say Blizzard for example, under any circumstance, allow their game to be offline for this long. I just can't see that happening.

I think having their MMOs down for so long is where it's really going hurt them in the long run. With PSN being down PS3 owners still have their games are able to play the single player portion. However, MMO players have nothing right now and MMO players are a different type of beast. Hell people ***** when WoW is down 8 hours for maintenance on Tuesdays. I'd wager by this time a good number of players from DC Universe, Everquest II, etc have found another game to fill their time and the longer this outage continues the less likely it is they return when the servers come back up.

 

[FalloutJack]

They'll be fine. The funny part is that this may be the end of Anonymous as we know it.

How do you mean?

Ah, wall basically... This entire debacle has pretty much created a rift between their ranks, yeah? They started out honestly enough, but then you have the inevitable allure of power and status and whatnot, and you start to believe your own hype too much. It's a very slippery slope you see.

Anonymous wanted to be akin to an enlightened order who takes matters into their own hands, pushing things along in a manner that gets past the bullshit and into some resolution into what they considered to be the right path. But not everybody thinks like that, and some would believe that they themselves have the answer and act out even against their own kinsmen.

NOW, you have the threat of warring factions, between those who are more idealistic about things and those who are more strict and controlling. A piece of Anonymous attempts to engulf the rest into its own conclave, rather than remaining a group of de-centralized Guy Fawkes masks.

The V For Vendetta theme throughout all of Anon is symbolic in that they're suppose to be a group of leaderless anarchists who take action in a like-minded way that even Alan Moore has tipped his hat to. When they stopped being all on the same wavelength, it created a massive ripple which has upset things to the very core.

I'm not saying that this is either good or bad, but the reality is that something has changed, and it may kill them.

 

[migo]

It's not like Sony can use some crystal ball and KNOW when shit's gonna go down, y'know?

Sony: We've been total, unjustified jerks to GeoHot and Graf_Chokolo, I think we've got a retaliatory attack coming.

If it had been random, I might agree with you, but anyone with half a brain could see this coming a galaxy away.

 

[Altorin]

It's a comedy of errors, and I shall continue to laugh.

 

[EcHoFiiVe]

I really hope that the Playstation line continues, but if it doesn't I can buy less consoles...

This will not hinder the Playstation line at all. It may hinder the sales of the line, but it will in no way hinder the actual creation of new systems.

 

[omega_peaches]

I really hope that the Playstation line continues, but if it doesn't I can buy less consoles...

This will not hinder the Playstation line at all. It may hinder the sales of the line, but it will in no way hinder the actual creation of new systems.

But didn't they loose a ton of money?
I'm not sure, I might be remembering this wrong, but they lost a ton, and Sony might not want to risk so much on making another console, especially if it flops as much as the PS3 did on launch.

 

[viranimus]

Yeah, Sony is doing their job... IF you accept that Sony didnt perpetrate this themselves. If you dont, then thats a whole other ballgame.