Sony Not Doing Enough With Move, Says Microsoft's Aaron Greenberg

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Aaron Greenberg said:
Sony Not Doing Enough With Move
Sont made motion control technology that doesn't require a fucking ball room to play in! I think they're doing a bit better than you.
 

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me wonders how long before microsoft caves and adds "controller" accessories to the move since fps games and other just would feel better if you you know had something in your hands to actually point at the screen.

and i will never lose the endless facepalm when i see the commercial of people playing driving games by steering an air wheel in front of them, real driving games require a force feedback wheel and decent pedals to actually drive decently. or at the very lest some analogue paddles to control the gas and brake inputs halfway well.

and hell old peter m fought hard for the integrated controllers and the kinetics and lost that battle. wait a year and ms will be announcing an eldless stream of add ons that work with the k, guns, tennis raquets, car crap, all at 59.99 a pop, so they can milk more cash out of the kinetic people.
 

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If you children don't stop insulting each other, I'll turn this car round and we won't go to Disneyland!
 

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Woodsey said:
Go away, nobody cares.

Has this man even looked at his own product's launch line-up? /facepalm
Oh please. Are we going by launch line up, now?
Look at the PS3's launch line up:


Blazing Angels: Squadrons of WWII
Call of Duty 3
Genji: Days of the Blade
Madden NFL 07
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance
Mobile Suit Gundam: Crossfire
NBA 2K7
NHL 2K7
Resistance: Fall of Man
Ridge Racer 7
Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07
Tony Hawk's Project 8

That is hardly impressive. In fact, I was working at an EB Games at the time, and the PS3 and it's games were the running gag for months. Obviously things smoothed out, and it's a great system. But the launch titles are hardly a great example of how well a system will do.

OT: I'm actually pretty excited about Kinect! It's something my wife will enjoy, as well as our non-gamer friends!
Sign me up!
 

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Korten12 said:
Jeronus said:
I remember when both of these companies were laughing at the Wii and calling Nintendo out for trying to introduce motion controls. Now they are arguing with each other about how to introduce motion controls. I find this hilarious and sad all at the same time.
Well I don't think Sony ever hated the idea of motion control:

I.E: Sixaxis.
You have a point, but they still mocked Nintendo and now they are shamelessly ripping them off.
 

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Ugh. Okay, I need to stop clicking the links to these, "Sony says this about Kinect. Microsoft says that about Move." stories. Officially, as of now. It's so tiresome.
 

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InterAirplay said:
Baby Tea said:
OT: I'm actually pretty excited about Kinect! It's something my wife will enjoy, as well as our non-gamer friends!
Sign me up!
For a while. It's kind of bad news for us gamers when the companies we rely on heavily to provide our entertainment start one-upping each other in a bid to win over a market that doesn't particularly care about the sort of things that serious gamers do.
Both Sony and Microsoft aren't stupid.
Anyone who actually believes that the introduction of either Move or Kinect means that core-gamers will be left in the dust is off their meds. It's a ridiculous, baseless assumption. Both companies know that they only reason they have either console is because of the core crowd, and they won't be forgetting about them just because they'd like to appeal their system to a wider market.

More people gaming means less of a crazy stigma about our favourite past-time.
Which means less things like that ridiculous California law.

That's a good thing.
 

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Fallen-Angel Risen-Demon said:
Onyx Oblivion said:
Kevim Butler, I choose you!


Sony is marketing this to everyone, pretty much. The casual and core. Whatever those terms mean.
Butler's awesome.
OT: I think Kinect will have 800,000 sales worldwide at most.
it will have more because Justin Bieber is promoting it at his concerts ._.

WE NEED MORE WATER BOTTLES, FILLED WITH RADIOACTIVE WASTE!
 

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meganmeave said:
Ugh. Okay, I need to stop clicking the links to these, "Sony says this about Kinect. Microsoft says that about Move." stories. Officially, as of now. It's so tiresome.
Sony has made a reply to Microsoft´s complete bullshit arguments ONCE. Microsoft have trolled Move about 20 times.
 

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Baby Tea said:
Both Sony and Microsoft aren't stupid.
Anyone who actually believes that the introduction of either Move or Kinect means that core-gamers will be left in the dust is off their meds. It's a ridiculous, baseless assumption. Both companies know that they only reason they have either console is because of the core crowd, and they won't be forgetting about them just because they'd like to appeal their system to a wider market.

More people gaming means less of a crazy stigma about our favourite past-time.
Which means less things like that ridiculous California law.

That's a good thing.
This. This is what I have been trying to say. If you look at history, new mediums of entertainment were always pushed off as evil until something happened and it became mainstream; Rock music, Jazz, even playing cards. And because of a lot of the gamer's elitist attitude (or maybe all of our elitist attitudes) there isn't much hope we will do it ourselves, so let the developers take the first step.
 

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Whatever, just wash your hands.
"microsoft is a poopy head" sony replies
 

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Launch lineups don't mean much in the long term. The XBOX 360 and PS3 both had a lot of poor titles out of the gates, but there were a few gems in each stable as well.

It's too early to start bringing up whether or not a system is fully utilizing it's tech, but from my playtime, Sports Champions, Tumble, and The Shoot work just fine with the Move. Plus, the Move's D-pad is activated by holding down the T-trigger, so yes it's a bit clunky if you try to use it outside of what it's meant for.

That said, I'm looking forwards to owning both motion control systems.
 

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What I'm hearing is that Sony is trying to support its fanbase of gamers with the controller, while Microsoft is ignoring its fanbase and targeting non-supporters. Out of those two, I'd have to say Sony wins out on 'loyalty', despite it being a misguided attempt.

Kinect is easily the better piece of technology and has a lot more potential than the Move, but its surprising that, so far at least, the Move has better implementation and a better line up of games.

Not interested in either, less so in the Move since I've got a Wii collecting dust anyway, but I'm at least a little curious to see how things work out a year after release. My guess is that by then either they'll be hideously popular/unpopular, or will make a fierce change of tactics. Either they sell fast for the gimmick, or take a large pause until decent games come out.
 

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Baby Tea said:
Woodsey said:
Go away, nobody cares.

Has this man even looked at his own product's launch line-up? /facepalm
Oh please. Are we going by launch line up, now?
Look at the PS3's launch line up:


Blazing Angels: Squadrons of WWII
Call of Duty 3
Genji: Days of the Blade
Madden NFL 07
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance
Mobile Suit Gundam: Crossfire
NBA 2K7
NHL 2K7
Resistance: Fall of Man
Ridge Racer 7
Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07
Tony Hawk's Project 8
So? I'm talking about Kinect not the 360 (or the PS3 or Move in particular). BUT, at least Move is being implemented in some games for core gamers, not that I'd ever want to use motion controls for anything apart from browsing menus (make it happen PC!).

I just wish MS would stop rabbiting on about the fucking thing when all they've done is alienate most of us with it - at least Sony's *****-fits are funny with Kevin Butler.
 

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Woodsey said:
...at least Move is being implemented in some games for core gamers
So?
Heaven forbid a console peripheral isn't directed at the core crowd.
Move is being implemented in a way that all the core crowd is bitching about: Motion controls in core games.
"Motion controls suck! We hate them! Leave them out of my core games!"

Kinect says 'No, we're reaching a new audience.' And core gamers ***** about how it's not directed at them!
"This is stupid! It's not for the core crowd!"

Can't anyone else see how ridiculous that is?
The majority of complainers don't want motion controls in their games, and they also don't like a company taking the time and money to get a larger consumer base that has nothing to do with them.

I mean, how insecure and self-absorbed can this 'core crowd' be?
They don't want motion controls for themselves, and they seem hell-bent on making sure nobody else can enjoy them either!

I swear: Gamers as a whole have got to be the most insecure, self-entitled group of whiners I've ever met.
Yeah, I've met a lot of really great gamers who really give me hope for the future of my favourite past-time, but the loud group of complainers really puts a massive sour note in the tune of the industry.

If you don't like the thing, fine.
But at least attempt to see how both Move and Kinect can bring so many more people into the world of gaming. Maybe it's not for you, but more people gaming is good for the industry. And that is good for you.
 

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There is a problem in Greenberg's response: That is precisely why Move is presented better!

Kinect is a $150 faux-Wii tethered to a $300 real console that can only play Karnival Games and is limited to basic movements and shouting like an twat across the living room.

While Sony is still producing standard games that everyone can enjoy regardless of controller, Microsoft's Kii is stealing the money that could have been put towards some new IPs that could actually make the 360 relevant.
 

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Baby Tea said:
Woodsey said:
...at least Move is being implemented in some games for core gamers
So?
Heaven forbid a console peripheral isn't directed at the core crowd.
Move is being implemented in a way that all the core crowd is bitching about: Motion controls in core games.
"Motion controls suck! We hate them! Leave them out of my core games!"

Kinect says 'No, we're reaching a new audience.' And core gamers ***** about how it's not directed at them!
"This is stupid! It's not for the core crowd!"

Can't anyone else see how ridiculous that is?
The majority of complainers don't want motion controls in their games, and they also don't like a company taking the time and money to get a larger consumer base that has nothing to do with them.

I mean, how insecure and self-absorbed can this 'core crowd' be?
They don't want motion controls for themselves, and they seem hell-bent on making sure nobody else can enjoy them either!

I swear: Gamers as a whole have got to be the most insecure, self-entitled group of whiners I've ever met.
Yeah, I've met a lot of really great gamers who really give me hope for the future of my favourite past-time, but the loud group of complainers really puts a massive sour note in the tune of the industry.

If you don't like the thing, fine.
But at least attempt to see how both Move and Kinect can bring so many more people into the world of gaming. Maybe it's not for you, but more people gaming is good for the industry. And that is good for you.
I'm pretty sure you can use Move or a gamepad for most, if not all "core games" that are having it implemented.

Most of the complaints I've seen about Move are "so it's a Wii, basically" - if it's still affording people the option of what control method they use then fine. Why shouldn't people expect to have something aimed at them? Right now that audience is pretty much the only one the 360 and PS3 have - the sense of entitlement that gamers have is often misplaced, but not with this. Especially when one minute you're being told that it is for you and then the next minute it's not.

And really? Do these really bring people into gaming? It got millions to buy a Wii, I'm not sure how many of them stuck around or bought another console/gaming PC - nor how many of them consider themselves gamers. Christ, one parental watchdog tried to get Madworld banned because it went against what they perceived the Wii to be for; it is not seen by many Wii-owners as the same thing.

The core audience are the ones expected to buy Kinect first (I seriously doubt people who own a Wii are suddenly going to pay hundreds of pounds more when they've already got such a device), yet there aren't any promised games for it for them.

Maybe there will be, but if the shit they're initially putting out does sell then you run the risk of the casual market taking over the whole thing, and then it's shovelware-galore (again pointing towards the Wii).

Oh, and MS aren't treating it as a peripheral, they're treating it as an Xbox 540.
 

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This whole 'motion control' crap is like three cavemen arguing about which fuel to use to start their fire: snot, mud or vomit

all the time the meat is starting to spoil and the hungry people are getting impatient and wondering when someone will come along, slap the three cavemen and tell them to start using wood again
 

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lostzombies.com said:
This whole 'motion control' crap is like three cavemen arguing about which fuel to use to start their fire: snot, mud or vomit

all the time the meat is starting to spoil and the hungry people are getting impatient and wondering when someone will come along, slap the three cavemen and tell them to start using wood again
Best analogy ever.

OT; Fuck off MS, at least Move is probably going to SELL, unlike your shit. Not that I like either system though, they could both go die in a fire and then people could get back making to what I bought a ps3 for; GAMES!