Sony Offers "Sincerest Apologies" for PSN Attack

[justnotcricket]

"Until demonstrated otherwise, I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt and assume that Sony wasn't criminally negligent with their security - after all, it's not in their interests *at all* to skimp on that area as the current influx of disfavour/lawsuits/etc shows."

Did you know when making the statement above that you were restating the "business judgment rule" (a presumption under American law that the decision-makers of a corporation always act in the best interest of their shareholders and, therefore and with few rare exceptions, their decisions are immune from judicial second-guessing)? If you didn't, that you'd intuit the business judgment rule is impressive. The average lay person wouldn't.

It seemed like common sense? I mean, if nothing else, you'd think a company would have a sense of self preservation, even if they weren't doing it out of a sense of honour and duty toward their customers =P I mean, from what I can tell, if you piss off your shareholders, you're in hot water...

You may wanna consider the law as a profession. You may be naturally predisposed for the field.

Should I take that as a compliment? ;-P I kid, I kid...

I think I'll stick with MAD SCIENCE (lasers ftw), but I do rather like how, really, despite all the legalese, there is actually a lot of common sense still out there in the system. There are cheap tricks and bullshit, to, but no system is entirely free of those, now, is it?

 

[Random Fella]

Wow I completely forgot Sony wasn't american... I appreciate the apology but what they should really be doing is hurrying up with the psn, I just got Mortal Kombat and want to try on some others haha.

Also what does P.s plus do? Doesn't it just give demos and ps1 games for free?

 

[JDKJ]

"Until demonstrated otherwise, I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt and assume that Sony wasn't criminally negligent with their security - after all, it's not in their interests *at all* to skimp on that area as the current influx of disfavour/lawsuits/etc shows."

Did you know when making the statement above that you were restating the "business judgment rule" (a presumption under American law that the decision-makers of a corporation always act in the best interest of their shareholders and, therefore and with few rare exceptions, their decisions are immune from judicial second-guessing)? If you didn't, that you'd intuit the business judgment rule is impressive. The average lay person wouldn't.

It seemed like common sense? I mean, if nothing else, you'd think a company would have a sense of self preservation, even if they weren't doing it out of a sense of honour and duty toward their customers =P I mean, from what I can tell, if you piss off your shareholders, you're in hot water...

You may wanna consider the law as a profession. You may be naturally predisposed for the field.

Should I take that as a compliment? ;-P I kid, I kid...

I think I'll stick with MAD SCIENCE (lasers ftw), but I do rather like how, really, despite all the legalese, there is actually a lot of common sense still out there in the system. There are cheap tricks and bullshit, to, but no system is entirely free of those, now, is it?

There are a lot of devices in the American judicial system which are intended to decrease inefficiencies by not having the litigants or the courts waste time with stuff that's obvious. One of my favorites is the concept of "res ipsa loquitor" ("the thing speaks for itself") which is frequently used in tort cases to dispel the need to prove that the defendant breached their duty of care to the plaintiff. The concept is based on the common sense understanding that some injuries can only occur if a duty of care was in fact breached.

The classic example is the plaintiff who, after an operation to remove their appendices, discovers that a surgical instrument was left behind in their abdominal cavity. It is a waste of time to require the plaintiff to prove that the surgical instrument in their body is a result of the hospital's screw up during the operation. How else could a surgical instrument have ended up in their body? The thing speaks for itself.

 

[draythefingerless]

in b4 "Anonymous did it!" without reading the article.




Now, what will you do if/when credit cards that were "stolen" start being used?

Dispute the charges, get the card replaced, and put a fraud alert on your accounts.

I would also get your credit reports checked. It's free as a US citizen at annualcreditreport.com once a year.

Are you employed by Sony or are you just copying and pasting their press releases?

Bro, that is what YOU need to be doing. Be a little more proactive about your personal finances. Sony isn't going to talk to your bank for you, even if this whole mess is their fault.

Bro? I thought you had gone out drinking tonight and when did you... oh wait your not him..

Anywhooooooo... If Sony talked to my bank for me I would be rather confused as I don't own a Sony product. I was merely stating the similarity between what someone had posted and what the official statement coming from Sony was.

However as we already decided to travel down the road, it would be a shame to not enjoy the views while we are here sooo. If I did own a PS3 and just had my details taken, do you know how big a fuck I'd give right now? None, if I've been hit I've been hit by now. Everyone know whats happend and no-one will be stupid enough to use those cards anymore, not with the FBI etc involved. Using a credit card from the "Sony stockpile" will be like firing off a flaregun while shouting out of microphone. "Over here guys. Please come and throw me in jail! There's something soooo appealing about having an ass like a clowns pocket."

Nevertheless, I would expect people to have taken out the basic precautions to say the least, safe than sorry yada yada yada.

If you don't tell your bank your card is stolen, they won't be able to catch whomever is responsible BRO. Your bank doesn't go through everyone's financial information to see who bought something through Sony and who didn't.

Bro, if your credit or debit card is used for an uncharacteristically large sum of money your bank will block the amount. Or, if your card is used on a purchase out of the country or even on a strange website your bank will block the amount.

So, you know, chill bro its all good. No need to be stressin, maybe we should chillax and hit a few waves yo!

I think you have your American stereotypes confused bro.

Besides, I just spent an uncharacteristic amount of money recently. My bank didn't do anything. I wasn't even using a credit card, but a debit card, which is even more susceptible. They don't care. You trust banks WAY too much.

Look bro, if you was chillaxin like I am bra, maybe you wouldn't be worryin bout dem stereo whatsamajigs and be hitting some waves bra. Chill.

Sides other day I be trippin some money down on some of them websites and then bank was all you, you declined, which was like totally bogus. So anyways I was all like why you hating, and they was all "oh man, we sorry" then everything was totally excellent. I mean, it's like banks want to keep my money or something bro. Maybe they was all bogus about it because they like my money, maybe I like totally don't trust them cuz they is all like greedy or nothing. Dude I need to go chill by the beech or these banks gonna keep on player hating, dawg. But you know bra, as you have like, one totally awesome purchase that I like, totally have to take your word for you know, I guess I'll take myself home, you feel this?

and you actually think people capable of hacking Sony database will be stupid enough to take out large sums of money from your accounts.......silly you dont you know how credit card heists work?

 

[Reed Spacer]

"Sincerest apologies" might be nice; some form of compensation would be even better.

There's no evidence to support the assertion that people's credit card information was stolen.

And at the same time there's no proof it hasn't.

I..... I don't know what to say to this. I mean, I guess I could post a picture of a facepalm, but not even that is sufficient.

<a href=http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.281370-Hackers-Also-Hit-Sony-Online-Stole-12-700-Credit-Cards>The hackers also got away with information from an outdated, non-US credit card database: a total of 12,700 international credit card numbers and 10,700 direct debit records, including bank account numbers, of residents of Germany, Austria, the Netherlands and Spain.

I'm sorry; who was right and who was wrong, Arontala?

I'll give you a hint: the first one was me. The second one was you.

 

[bad rider]

in b4 "Anonymous did it!" without reading the article.




Now, what will you do if/when credit cards that were "stolen" start being used?

Dispute the charges, get the card replaced, and put a fraud alert on your accounts.

I would also get your credit reports checked. It's free as a US citizen at annualcreditreport.com once a year.

Are you employed by Sony or are you just copying and pasting their press releases?

Bro, that is what YOU need to be doing. Be a little more proactive about your personal finances. Sony isn't going to talk to your bank for you, even if this whole mess is their fault.

Bro? I thought you had gone out drinking tonight and when did you... oh wait your not him..

Anywhooooooo... If Sony talked to my bank for me I would be rather confused as I don't own a Sony product. I was merely stating the similarity between what someone had posted and what the official statement coming from Sony was.

However as we already decided to travel down the road, it would be a shame to not enjoy the views while we are here sooo. If I did own a PS3 and just had my details taken, do you know how big a fuck I'd give right now? None, if I've been hit I've been hit by now. Everyone know whats happend and no-one will be stupid enough to use those cards anymore, not with the FBI etc involved. Using a credit card from the "Sony stockpile" will be like firing off a flaregun while shouting out of microphone. "Over here guys. Please come and throw me in jail! There's something soooo appealing about having an ass like a clowns pocket."

Nevertheless, I would expect people to have taken out the basic precautions to say the least, safe than sorry yada yada yada.

If you don't tell your bank your card is stolen, they won't be able to catch whomever is responsible BRO. Your bank doesn't go through everyone's financial information to see who bought something through Sony and who didn't.

Bro, if your credit or debit card is used for an uncharacteristically large sum of money your bank will block the amount. Or, if your card is used on a purchase out of the country or even on a strange website your bank will block the amount.

So, you know, chill bro its all good. No need to be stressin, maybe we should chillax and hit a few waves yo!

I think you have your American stereotypes confused bro.

Besides, I just spent an uncharacteristic amount of money recently. My bank didn't do anything. I wasn't even using a credit card, but a debit card, which is even more susceptible. They don't care. You trust banks WAY too much.

Look bro, if you was chillaxin like I am bra, maybe you wouldn't be worryin bout dem stereo whatsamajigs and be hitting some waves bra. Chill.

Sides other day I be trippin some money down on some of them websites and then bank was all you, you declined, which was like totally bogus. So anyways I was all like why you hating, and they was all "oh man, we sorry" then everything was totally excellent. I mean, it's like banks want to keep my money or something bro. Maybe they was all bogus about it because they like my money, maybe I like totally don't trust them cuz they is all like greedy or nothing. Dude I need to go chill by the beech or these banks gonna keep on player hating, dawg. But you know bra, as you have like, one totally awesome purchase that I like, totally have to take your word for you know, I guess I'll take myself home, you feel this?

and you actually think people capable of hacking Sony database will be stupid enough to take out large sums of money from your accounts.......silly you dont you know how credit card heists work?

And how exactly are they going to take that money? Funnel it off to another bank account? An easy way to have your assets seized by the FBI, or maybe you'll what? go buy an ice cream for the local store.... telling the FBI exactly where you are currently living.

Besides the steal pennies from thousands routine is probably the most obvious one in the book, it's the one everyone knows about ever since every other movie used it as a plot point.

 

[draythefingerless]

in b4 "Anonymous did it!" without reading the article.




Now, what will you do if/when credit cards that were "stolen" start being used?

Dispute the charges, get the card replaced, and put a fraud alert on your accounts.

I would also get your credit reports checked. It's free as a US citizen at annualcreditreport.com once a year.

Are you employed by Sony or are you just copying and pasting their press releases?

Bro, that is what YOU need to be doing. Be a little more proactive about your personal finances. Sony isn't going to talk to your bank for you, even if this whole mess is their fault.

Bro? I thought you had gone out drinking tonight and when did you... oh wait your not him..

Anywhooooooo... If Sony talked to my bank for me I would be rather confused as I don't own a Sony product. I was merely stating the similarity between what someone had posted and what the official statement coming from Sony was.

However as we already decided to travel down the road, it would be a shame to not enjoy the views while we are here sooo. If I did own a PS3 and just had my details taken, do you know how big a fuck I'd give right now? None, if I've been hit I've been hit by now. Everyone know whats happend and no-one will be stupid enough to use those cards anymore, not with the FBI etc involved. Using a credit card from the "Sony stockpile" will be like firing off a flaregun while shouting out of microphone. "Over here guys. Please come and throw me in jail! There's something soooo appealing about having an ass like a clowns pocket."

Nevertheless, I would expect people to have taken out the basic precautions to say the least, safe than sorry yada yada yada.

If you don't tell your bank your card is stolen, they won't be able to catch whomever is responsible BRO. Your bank doesn't go through everyone's financial information to see who bought something through Sony and who didn't.

Bro, if your credit or debit card is used for an uncharacteristically large sum of money your bank will block the amount. Or, if your card is used on a purchase out of the country or even on a strange website your bank will block the amount.

So, you know, chill bro its all good. No need to be stressin, maybe we should chillax and hit a few waves yo!

I think you have your American stereotypes confused bro.

Besides, I just spent an uncharacteristic amount of money recently. My bank didn't do anything. I wasn't even using a credit card, but a debit card, which is even more susceptible. They don't care. You trust banks WAY too much.

Look bro, if you was chillaxin like I am bra, maybe you wouldn't be worryin bout dem stereo whatsamajigs and be hitting some waves bra. Chill.

Sides other day I be trippin some money down on some of them websites and then bank was all you, you declined, which was like totally bogus. So anyways I was all like why you hating, and they was all "oh man, we sorry" then everything was totally excellent. I mean, it's like banks want to keep my money or something bro. Maybe they was all bogus about it because they like my money, maybe I like totally don't trust them cuz they is all like greedy or nothing. Dude I need to go chill by the beech or these banks gonna keep on player hating, dawg. But you know bra, as you have like, one totally awesome purchase that I like, totally have to take your word for you know, I guess I'll take myself home, you feel this?

and you actually think people capable of hacking Sony database will be stupid enough to take out large sums of money from your accounts.......silly you dont you know how credit card heists work?

And how exactly are they going to take that money? Funnel it off to another bank account? An easy way to have your assets seized by the FBI, or maybe you'll what? go buy an ice cream for the local store.... telling the FBI exactly where you are currently living.

Besides the steal pennies from thousands routine is probably the most obvious one in the book, it's the one everyone knows about ever since every other movie used it as a plot point.

It is clear to me that you are restricting yourself to what you see in movies, and that these are your only viable options for credit card heisting. Money is withdrawn in normal amounts from various accounts, along the time it lasts to have that account accessible. Banks have procedures that warn them for that type of penny withdraw scheme. Either way, that scheme only really works for insider cuts. and even those get caught(Goldmann Sachs much?) Also, that thing you said about blocking high amounts? not really. You can take like 400 dollars easily from most places. Once you have someones credit info, you can pretty much take the money you want for as long as its not blocked. and of course you dont transfer it, you withdraw. There are guidelines for this kind of credit heist. That is why banks warn people and each person should take care and defend their numbers and cards. If people like these obtain them, they will take your money, and itll be pretty fucking hard to get it back or catch them.

 

[3AM]

in b4 "Anonymous did it!" without reading the article.




Now, what will you do if/when credit cards that were "stolen" start being used?

Totally offtopic but I gotta post this anyway - Kalezian - your avatar - it's hypnotising, mesmerizing and damn creepy. Every time I see it I stop reading the thread and stare at it. But now I'm a little afraid to hit the Post button. If I do, will your avatar then know where I live or call me from inside the house?

 

[bad rider]

in b4 "Anonymous did it!" without reading the article.




Now, what will you do if/when credit cards that were "stolen" start being used?

Dispute the charges, get the card replaced, and put a fraud alert on your accounts.

I would also get your credit reports checked. It's free as a US citizen at annualcreditreport.com once a year.

Are you employed by Sony or are you just copying and pasting their press releases?

Bro, that is what YOU need to be doing. Be a little more proactive about your personal finances. Sony isn't going to talk to your bank for you, even if this whole mess is their fault.

Bro? I thought you had gone out drinking tonight and when did you... oh wait your not him..

Anywhooooooo... If Sony talked to my bank for me I would be rather confused as I don't own a Sony product. I was merely stating the similarity between what someone had posted and what the official statement coming from Sony was.

However as we already decided to travel down the road, it would be a shame to not enjoy the views while we are here sooo. If I did own a PS3 and just had my details taken, do you know how big a fuck I'd give right now? None, if I've been hit I've been hit by now. Everyone know whats happend and no-one will be stupid enough to use those cards anymore, not with the FBI etc involved. Using a credit card from the "Sony stockpile" will be like firing off a flaregun while shouting out of microphone. "Over here guys. Please come and throw me in jail! There's something soooo appealing about having an ass like a clowns pocket."

Nevertheless, I would expect people to have taken out the basic precautions to say the least, safe than sorry yada yada yada.

If you don't tell your bank your card is stolen, they won't be able to catch whomever is responsible BRO. Your bank doesn't go through everyone's financial information to see who bought something through Sony and who didn't.

Bro, if your credit or debit card is used for an uncharacteristically large sum of money your bank will block the amount. Or, if your card is used on a purchase out of the country or even on a strange website your bank will block the amount.

So, you know, chill bro its all good. No need to be stressin, maybe we should chillax and hit a few waves yo!

I think you have your American stereotypes confused bro.

Besides, I just spent an uncharacteristic amount of money recently. My bank didn't do anything. I wasn't even using a credit card, but a debit card, which is even more susceptible. They don't care. You trust banks WAY too much.

Look bro, if you was chillaxin like I am bra, maybe you wouldn't be worryin bout dem stereo whatsamajigs and be hitting some waves bra. Chill.

Sides other day I be trippin some money down on some of them websites and then bank was all you, you declined, which was like totally bogus. So anyways I was all like why you hating, and they was all "oh man, we sorry" then everything was totally excellent. I mean, it's like banks want to keep my money or something bro. Maybe they was all bogus about it because they like my money, maybe I like totally don't trust them cuz they is all like greedy or nothing. Dude I need to go chill by the beech or these banks gonna keep on player hating, dawg. But you know bra, as you have like, one totally awesome purchase that I like, totally have to take your word for you know, I guess I'll take myself home, you feel this?

and you actually think people capable of hacking Sony database will be stupid enough to take out large sums of money from your accounts.......silly you dont you know how credit card heists work?

And how exactly are they going to take that money? Funnel it off to another bank account? An easy way to have your assets seized by the FBI, or maybe you'll what? go buy an ice cream for the local store.... telling the FBI exactly where you are currently living.

Besides the steal pennies from thousands routine is probably the most obvious one in the book, it's the one everyone knows about ever since every other movie used it as a plot point.

It is clear to me that you are restricting yourself to what you see in movies, and that these are your only viable options for credit card heisting. Money is withdrawn in normal amounts from various accounts, along the time it lasts to have that account accessible. Banks have procedures that warn them for that type of penny withdraw scheme. Either way, that scheme only really works for insider cuts. and even those get caught(Goldmann Sachs much?) Also, that thing you said about blocking high amounts? not really. You can take like 400 dollars easily from most places. Once you have someones credit info, you can pretty much take the money you want for as long as its not blocked. and of course you dont transfer it, you withdraw. There are guidelines for this kind of credit heist. That is why banks warn people and each person should take care and defend their numbers and cards. If people like these obtain them, they will take your money, and itll be pretty fucking hard to get it back or catch them.

Yes, but credit card companies will cover any loss you make, and as I said (the crux of my argument) these guys haven't taken this data in a fashion whereby they are anonymous. There are signal flares essentially pinpointing them saying they have done this. They have had a week to take the money in which no-one was aware that there credit information had been stolen. This is their window of opportunity, now this information is hot property and investigators into crimes are looking to prosecute these individuals who have shit loads of credit cards. This makes them a priority in terms of being investigated. Therefore by using the credit cards they will inevitably be leaving a trail as to where they are, in the here and now. This is risky when people are actively searching for you as a priority. Remember Sony has hired several security firms to stop the leak, how many do you think they have employed to get it back? If these guys are even half as smart as you'd think to be able to get this information, they will have run the cards dry and ditched them by now.
But you know feel free to blindside this argument or whatevers cool by you.

 

[draythefingerless]

in b4 "Anonymous did it!" without reading the article.




Now, what will you do if/when credit cards that were "stolen" start being used?

Dispute the charges, get the card replaced, and put a fraud alert on your accounts.

I would also get your credit reports checked. It's free as a US citizen at annualcreditreport.com once a year.

Are you employed by Sony or are you just copying and pasting their press releases?

Bro, that is what YOU need to be doing. Be a little more proactive about your personal finances. Sony isn't going to talk to your bank for you, even if this whole mess is their fault.

Bro? I thought you had gone out drinking tonight and when did you... oh wait your not him..

Anywhooooooo... If Sony talked to my bank for me I would be rather confused as I don't own a Sony product. I was merely stating the similarity between what someone had posted and what the official statement coming from Sony was.

However as we already decided to travel down the road, it would be a shame to not enjoy the views while we are here sooo. If I did own a PS3 and just had my details taken, do you know how big a fuck I'd give right now? None, if I've been hit I've been hit by now. Everyone know whats happend and no-one will be stupid enough to use those cards anymore, not with the FBI etc involved. Using a credit card from the "Sony stockpile" will be like firing off a flaregun while shouting out of microphone. "Over here guys. Please come and throw me in jail! There's something soooo appealing about having an ass like a clowns pocket."

Nevertheless, I would expect people to have taken out the basic precautions to say the least, safe than sorry yada yada yada.

If you don't tell your bank your card is stolen, they won't be able to catch whomever is responsible BRO. Your bank doesn't go through everyone's financial information to see who bought something through Sony and who didn't.

Bro, if your credit or debit card is used for an uncharacteristically large sum of money your bank will block the amount. Or, if your card is used on a purchase out of the country or even on a strange website your bank will block the amount.

So, you know, chill bro its all good. No need to be stressin, maybe we should chillax and hit a few waves yo!

I think you have your American stereotypes confused bro.

Besides, I just spent an uncharacteristic amount of money recently. My bank didn't do anything. I wasn't even using a credit card, but a debit card, which is even more susceptible. They don't care. You trust banks WAY too much.

Look bro, if you was chillaxin like I am bra, maybe you wouldn't be worryin bout dem stereo whatsamajigs and be hitting some waves bra. Chill.

Sides other day I be trippin some money down on some of them websites and then bank was all you, you declined, which was like totally bogus. So anyways I was all like why you hating, and they was all "oh man, we sorry" then everything was totally excellent. I mean, it's like banks want to keep my money or something bro. Maybe they was all bogus about it because they like my money, maybe I like totally don't trust them cuz they is all like greedy or nothing. Dude I need to go chill by the beech or these banks gonna keep on player hating, dawg. But you know bra, as you have like, one totally awesome purchase that I like, totally have to take your word for you know, I guess I'll take myself home, you feel this?

and you actually think people capable of hacking Sony database will be stupid enough to take out large sums of money from your accounts.......silly you dont you know how credit card heists work?

And how exactly are they going to take that money? Funnel it off to another bank account? An easy way to have your assets seized by the FBI, or maybe you'll what? go buy an ice cream for the local store.... telling the FBI exactly where you are currently living.

Besides the steal pennies from thousands routine is probably the most obvious one in the book, it's the one everyone knows about ever since every other movie used it as a plot point.

It is clear to me that you are restricting yourself to what you see in movies, and that these are your only viable options for credit card heisting. Money is withdrawn in normal amounts from various accounts, along the time it lasts to have that account accessible. Banks have procedures that warn them for that type of penny withdraw scheme. Either way, that scheme only really works for insider cuts. and even those get caught(Goldmann Sachs much?) Also, that thing you said about blocking high amounts? not really. You can take like 400 dollars easily from most places. Once you have someones credit info, you can pretty much take the money you want for as long as its not blocked. and of course you dont transfer it, you withdraw. There are guidelines for this kind of credit heist. That is why banks warn people and each person should take care and defend their numbers and cards. If people like these obtain them, they will take your money, and itll be pretty fucking hard to get it back or catch them.

Yes, but credit card companies will cover any loss you make, and as I said (the crux of my argument) these guys haven't taken this data in a fashion whereby they are anonymous. There are signal flares essentially pinpointing them saying they have done this. They have had a week to take the money in which no-one was aware that there credit information had been stolen. This is their window of opportunity, now this information is hot property and investigators into crimes are looking to prosecute these individuals who have shit loads of credit cards. This makes them a priority in terms of being investigated. Therefore by using the credit cards they will inevitably be leaving a trail as to where they are, in the here and now. This is risky when people are actively searching for you as a priority. Remember Sony has hired several security firms to stop the leak, how many do you think they have employed to get it back? If these guys are even half as smart as you'd think to be able to get this information, they will have run the cards dry and ditched them by now.
But you know feel free to blindside this argument or whatevers cool by you.

i am simply running on your own argument. seems to me you were lenient into not lifting a finger about your credit card data being compromised, as to not even inform your bank of the event. Your bank, and none of the policing forces, will look into your credit card history unless you alert them to. If you alert them, why yes, from there on out, they will look on your history. But if you dont give any signs to them that something is happenin, they wont look into it. Its that simple. Also, drying the cards implies high amounts of money withdrawal, wich banks look into and/or require identification. The best way is to withdraw money in a unrelated locale to yourself, in normal amounts. When your bank begins to investigate, he simply ditches the cards. And by now, they prolly ditched them if they are smart. a week is more than enough time to milk thousands of dolars distributed thru various accounts.

 

[Reed Spacer]

Considering that I suggested two days ago that it was probable they had credit card info and your replies were basically "Do not!" followed by the textual equivalent of spraying drool down the front of your shirt, I feel obligated to "rub your face in it".

I called it.

<a href=http://i53.tinypic.com/14mrh2s.jpg> Also, mine's bigger.