Sony stumbles

[Johnny Novgorod]

to be fair, i really dont give a shit if they fail.
not because they are console manufacturers, but because microsoft and sony act like douchy fratboys.

You're gonna tell me the whole "master race" shtick doesn't sound douchy and fratty as well?

 

[Saltyk]

Speaking of the games, Xbox One exclusives at launch look like shit. Ryse? Dead Rising 3? Forza? Not one of those even vaguely interests me. I don't even care about Killzone, but it looks far more interesting than ANY of those titles. Enough that I am thinking of picking it up. And Sony has a nicer variety which aren't all grey and brown, including one game, Knack, that I could feel comfortably letting a child actually play. Which I think is just as important as anything else in this. Which game do you think parents would buy for little Timmy? Knack or Dead Rising 3?

Brilliant idea for pre-ordering. I really need to learn to do that. I could have all my games pre-ordered well over a year in advance if I did something like that (assuming they go up for pre-order at announcement).

Also, just to let you know: Knack is actually a pretty solid game. I managed to get a chance to play a small bit of it, it is actually pretty solid and kinda difficult. My little brother also loves it (He is around 7). I wish we could have more of these cutesy little platformers.

Thanks. It really made the sting feel much less painful (don't feel $20 a week nearly as much as $400). Plus, the Gamestop is right along my way to the grocery store, so it was a minor detour to stop in and put down a little money. My remaining balance is $27, which will be paid off this weekend on my weekly chores.
For a game, you could probably make that $5 every two weeks and have similar results.

Yeah, it looks good. I compare it to Crash or Spyro in my mind. My biggest concern is that I don't think there be much replay value in it, and it will likely only have about 10 hours of gameplay. Plus, I do expect it to be a free game on PS+ at some point. And if I can only afford one game at launch, I will probably want one with online multiplayer for longevity's sake.
Knack is one of the three launch titles I am interested in for the PS4. And that is despite the lack of multiplayer.

Have you seen some of the titles Sony is offering? Like Octodad? They seem to have no problem with colorful and odd games. Which is a strong point in their favor, I think. I mean, there are colors other than brown and grey. Who knew?

 

[Evonisia]

Sony will be fine. Ok not fine, but the PS4 won't be a failure. It's good to see Sony finally getting mud on their hands though because the PS4 isn't this shining diamond from the gods.

Every press release, FAQ and announcement by Microsoft and Sony makes the Wii U look better.

 

[Sanunes]

I really think both consoles will be close to one another after a year or so, both companies have done really dumb things over the last few years, its just that Microsoft has done them more recently. I know with how Sony changed PS+ and how I am not confident in giving them any personal information its really a coin toss to which one I prefer.

Right now my plans are going to be that I am going to use my PC I bought in 2008 (with a minor video card upgrade last year) to play games and maybe when they become cheaper I might buy a console.

 

[Snotnarok]

I'm more shocked that they're blocking the media server function, that's pretty much killed it as a media center as they'd like it to be.

Bonus answer: They did somewhat win the console war, as I understand it they did sell more Genesis/Mega Drive units over all, the thing that killed them was the problems between SEGA US and JAP having issues, namely trying to stuff the 32x out before the Saturn came out, then there were dumb moves with that too.

 

[Eve Charm]

Well sony doesn't have to do much other then getting COD running at 1080P and MS only managing 720P to change the minds of people that want to spend bucket loads of money to have the most powerful and best experience that isn't a pc.

 

[Saltyk]

Speaking of the games, Xbox One exclusives at launch look like shit. Ryse? Dead Rising 3? Forza? Not one of those even vaguely interests me. I don't even care about Killzone, but it looks far more interesting than ANY of those titles. Enough that I am thinking of picking it up. And Sony has a nicer variety which aren't all grey and brown, including one game, Knack, that I could feel comfortably letting a child actually play. Which I think is just as important as anything else in this. Which game do you think parents would buy for little Timmy? Knack or Dead Rising 3?

Brilliant idea for pre-ordering. I really need to learn to do that. I could have all my games pre-ordered well over a year in advance if I did something like that (assuming they go up for pre-order at announcement).

Also, just to let you know: Knack is actually a pretty solid game. I managed to get a chance to play a small bit of it, it is actually pretty solid and kinda difficult. My little brother also loves it (He is around 7). I wish we could have more of these cutesy little platformers.

Thanks. It really made the sting feel much less painful (don't feel $20 a week nearly as much as $400). Plus, the Gamestop is right along my way to the grocery store, so it was a minor detour to stop in and put down a little money. My remaining balance is $27, which will be paid off this weekend on my weekly chores.
For a game, you could probably make that $5 every two weeks and have similar results.

Yeah, it looks good. I compare it to Crash or Spyro in my mind. My biggest concern is that I don't think there be much replay value in it, and it will likely only have about 10 hours of gameplay. Plus, I do expect it to be a free game on PS+ at some point. And if I can only afford one game at launch, I will probably want one with online multiplayer for longevity's sake.
Knack is one of the three launch titles I am interested in for the PS4. And that is despite the lack of multiplayer.

Have you seen some of the titles Sony is offering? Like Octodad? They seem to have no problem with colorful and odd games. Which is a strong point in their favor, I think. I mean, there are colors other than brown and grey. Who knew?

Wait, despite its lack of multiplayer? I find that to be a selling point.

I am glad with the bright colours. It is the main reason I am going to buy Killzone as the original trailer just looked really nice with those bright blues and reds.

I apologize. I wasn't very clear I'm afraid.

The thing is that if I can only buy one game, I want it to be one that I can get plenty of use out of. Knack is not a game that I believe I will be able to play a month or more after the fact. Killzone and Battlefield, however, I should still get some use out of due to the multiplayer content. I have no problem with games not having multiplayer, and indeed would like games that don't need it to not force it into the mix. But it's that lack of long term playability that I think hurts Knack for me.

Think of it as a math equation.
If I play Knack for ten hours, that means each hour was worth $6. Which is not bad. But if I play Killzone for 100 hours, that makes each hour worth 60 cents. That is not a bad investment. Later on, this won't be as much of an issue as there will be a good sized library to choose from.

I'll probably get Knack at some point. Perhaps after a price drop or as part of PS Plus if they give it away. But I'll probably grab it up, eventually.

Also, colors are a nice addition. Why have all those reds, blues, greens, and such, if you're not gonna use them?

 

[Gor Kur]

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[Matthew Jabour]

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Sorry, Nintendo. If you don't believe that, maybe this will convince you: The Metroid game in Nintendo land is a better Halo than any Halo game will ever be. And Ryse ain't got shit on the Zelda game.

 

[FieryTrainwreck]

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I know, right. "Sony is still not doing anything stupid. Do you really want to buy a console from a company that would just rest on its laurels like that?"

The 360 started off with some strong exclusives before losing almost all of them to multiplatform development, turning the console into basically a weak PC. Shoveling money into EA's gaping maw until they declared Titanfall a legit exclusive was a very smart move, but I don't know if MS can realistically afford to buy the 3-4 additional first tier exclusives they'd need to equal the games Sony will eventually field through its in-house developers and first party partners.

I guess we'll see what happens, but I think most people would opt for the PS4 lineup in 6-12 months provided they aren't gonzo for Titanfall.

 

[Dragonbums]

Anyone who declares a console dead out of the water a year after it's release in my opinion are dumb.


Especially seeing as how last gen the PS3 took 2-3 years before it kicked off the ground, the 3DS took 2 years(?) before it started selling, etc. etc.


No folks. Consoles don't start to shine or sink until it's in it's second year or so.

I don't expect any different with the Xbox One or the PS4.

 

[Lovely Mixture]

The only thing Sony has been stumbling on is the Vita. I'm not gonna buy a next gen console, but I'd really like Sony to begin porting Vita games to the PS3.

 

[Something Amyss]

There's too many fanboys for that.

Which is why Microsoft only started to regain ground after they pulled an Xbox OneEighty.

unless you can stack microsoft mouses and xbox controllers and it magically merges into a working pc, you should better not try to punch "the master race" as long as there is something out there called linux and open source.

How fortunate, then, that most games run on Linux.

Oh, crap.

you still remember the PS4 ?will out-power most PCs for years to come? blarant statement, do you?

Oh, it totally will. Despite the fact that the processor and a BD drive are pretty much the only things is smokes this PC I'm using on, PCs will never be able to match the power of a non-upgradable unit designed with year-old technology. Checkmate, PC gamers. Game over.

Not like I could slap an eight core processor into my PC or anything if I felt the need.

Well sony doesn't have to do much other then getting COD running at 1080P and MS only managing 720P to change the minds of people that want to spend bucket loads of money to have the most powerful and best experience that isn't a pc.

Are you kidding? There's probably going to be a ton of people who ordered the Xbone specifically arguing that the Bone version looks better anyway.

 

[Fox12]

The Xbone will do well, the PS4 will do better. They haven't really messed anything up yet, unlike Microsoft, who seem to enjoy self punishment. The launch line up is always terrible, so I'll go play Persona until such a time as the lineup is good and I have the money to actually purchase a PS4.

 

[TehCookie]

There's too many fanboys for that.

Which is why Microsoft only started to regain ground after they pulled an Xbox OneEighty.

Yeah, because now they have the customers who doesn't blindly follow them wanting it as well.

 

[Thr33X]

Did I mention financials? Sony has been suffering a string of financial setbacks for months now. The fact that their games section only losing $8 million is the least of their worries is, in fact, the greatest of their worries. Nintendo hasn't quite been in the black, either, but their sales numbers allow a lot more optimism than Sony's, with a slow growth steadily emerging. And Microsoft's doing just fine, especially since they also make money off of their PC sales. (By the way, nice job, PC master race! You're certainly striking a bold move against the Big 3 by picking one of them and supporting them financially! Truly, you are the wise ones.)

I suppose with all of these factoids you neglected to state the most obvious point...90% of people who buy PCs/Laptops don't buy them solely to play games on. Of all the one-sided drivel of your post that right there is the most glaring example of someone who just typed what was in his head without really thinking about what the hell he was talking about.

Not since the 16-bit generation has there been a console launch that could be considered "successful" by any stretch, so the cautionary actions by third party devs to pull back games shouldn't really be a surprise to anyone. Sony's been in this position before, starting off with a sputter...but they finished with a stride. Microsoft now is the one's starting slow out of the gates, but not with a sputter, but a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the foot. They will in time recover, and it's the games that are going to help rehabilitate this, just as with Sony in the soon to be previous era of games. Problem with that however is that based on the previous era, Sony offers better quality games. How many MS exclusives have won GOTY honors compared to Sony? I rest my case there.

As for the case of Ryse, Dead Rising and Titanfall...the only one's really looking forward to those titles are XBox users...who're going to get these games regardless of public or personal opinion, of which in my opinion, Ryse and DR3 are pretty underwhelming to begin with.

The first months of next-gen will be dominated by the big guns of the industry...emphasis on GUNS, with CoD:Ghosts and Battlefield 4, and whether or not you like these titles is irrelevant because they both have MASSIVE userbases which will buy up their respective franchises on their respective consoles at or soon after launch.

Whether or not the PS4/XB1 launches are as successful as previous generation launches rests little to nothing on anything you said, and more on the fact that this generation's gap is the smallest it's ever been. We went from 8 to 16-bit, then from 16-bit to CD-ROM, then from CD-ROM to DVD-ROM, then from Standard Def to HD. This generation upcoming's only innovation is more processing power and memory to make it comparable to PC-which is not that big of an innovation to warrant droves of people waiting on line for hours to get their launch consoles on Day 1.

Except...that's exactly what's going to happen, because as the end of the day if people want something they're going to get it, and that holds truer than anything anyone has said or will further say in this thread.

 

[TomWiley]

Here's my two-cents, and they are pretty exactly the same thoughts/opinions I had since the days after E3

*No sane gamer wants any console to fail. We all want the Xbox One to succeed. We all want the PS4 to succeed. We all want competition and a healthy gaming industry. If you don't, well then yeah. That's dumb.

*This whole "M$ is evil" mentality is also dumb. Straight up dumb. Giving you the option to as a consumer buy a product which requires Internet connection to function properly, especially when that Internet connection is justified by a whole bunch of digital sharing features and dedicated server space for the developers, is not anti-consumerist. And rebuilding their entire architecture based on consumer feedback is certainly not anti-consumerist either.

*I already got a high-end PC, but if I do end up buying a console I'll go where the games are, and everyone should do the same. Right now, for me, that's the console with Forza, Titanfall, Dead Rising 3, and not the one with Killzone.

 

[Vivi22]

So your criticism is that Sony doesn't have a strong launch line up of games on the same level as stuff like COD or Uncharted? Have you never seen a console launch before? Because the only good one I've ever seen in my 28 years on this planet was the Dreamcast. Just one.

The PS4 having Killzone alone puts it ahead of most console launches to be honest, even if I agree it's not the strongest title out there. But what does the XBone have at launch? Pretty much nothing. Kind of like the Wii U had nothing. And the PS3, 360, and Wii had nothing. And the PS2, Gamecube, and Xbox had nothing. I'm pretty sure we can all see where this is headed.

But possibly the weirdest part of your argument is that you go on to say that the XBone launch lineup looks good because of Dead Rising, Ryse, and Titanfall? Ignoring the obvious fact that Titanfall is going to be coming out next March, Dead Rising, while a silly fun series is pretty niche and certainly won't be a system seller. And Ryse, while an impressive looking game on a technical level which makes sense since Crytek is making it, looks like the shittiest God of War clone yet. If anyone is actually excited about something that looks that boring (and since this is Crytek, safe bet it will look pretty but be completely average in every way that actually matters) then they deserve to waste their money. As much as the PS4 launch lineup isn't hugely compelling, the XBone lineup is at least just as bad. And they don't have a lot of stuff in the pipe that isn't named Titanfall. At least if you want to do more than play COD with mechs, the PS4 is going to have more variety to offer in the next year from the looks of it.

 

[Something Amyss]

Yeah, because now they have the customers who doesn't blindly follow them wanting it as well.

So you're admitting fanboys weren't sufficient to keep the system competitive and undermining your original point, thus agreeing with me? Sweet.

Glad we could come to an agreement.

 

[TehCookie]

Yeah, because now they have the customers who doesn't blindly follow them wanting it as well.

So you're admitting fanboys weren't sufficient to keep the system competitive and undermining your original point, thus agreeing with me? Sweet.

Glad we could come to an agreement.

I never said fanboys would keep up with the PS3 if the DRM was still true, fanboys would only keep the xbone afloat compared to completely bombing.