Sony Targets Custom PS3 Firmware with DMCA Takedown Notices

[Centrophy]

I kinda agree with parties on both sides. However I think it's time people started hating on the real enemy. The DMCA, it's time that BS was repealed. Stupid (smart, really) corporate lobbyists essentially wrote the law all in favor of not the content creators, but their masters who just happen to license everything. Ever work for a company that makes you sign something saying that if you invent something to make your job easier you can't profit from it? Screw them, man.

 

[midpipps]

Sony is injurious to Sony, so why haven't they been taken down yet?

After all, this whole thing started when Sony removed the Other OS feature.

That is a bullshit argument. The US Army has an entire supercomputer created out of PS3 linux boxen, and they didn't hack their firmware to do it. The just STOPPED UPDATING.

It was a simple exchange: if you want to keep using linux on your PS3, don't upgrade the firmware. You DO own the hardware, but you LICENSE the firmware. If you accepted the agreement that said "BTW, this removes the linux install option", you're to blame, not SONY. Anything else is schoolyard crying.

And how was anyone supposed to know the update removed the Other OS feature? Chances are, most figured it out after they upgraded. Hell the only way I figure out what the updates add is through looking them up on the internet.

You are actually wrong a couple times over the OtherOS removal did not start this sony removed the OtherOS feature because some people(GeoHotz) were using the otherOS to hack the ps3. Secondly if you want to know what the update does it has a nice big screen before you agree to update that tells you what features it is adding or taking away. All you have to do is read a little.

If he and other were hacking the PS3 through the other OS feature so much and if it posed such a serious threat to the PS3, why the hell have we only just heard about it when the Other OS feature got removed? The way things are working out, it seems the Other OS feature is the reason the PS3 hasn't been hacked as much as the other consoles.

What do you mean why just after the other os
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/99499-Sony-Removes-Other-OS-Option-for-PS3
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/97780-iPhone-Jailbreaker-Hacks-PS3

the last link is when GeoHotz first posted the crack for the ps3 he was using the otherOS feature to gain access memory and firmware regions of the system to develop the crack. and it was a few months before Sony removed the other os feature.

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2010/03/28/ps3-firmware-v3-21-update/ this is when sony removed the other os.

 

[Delusibeta]

In other news, Github has now begun a repository for DMCA takedown notices [https://github.com/github/dmca]. Now anyone who submits a DMCA takedown gets instant derision. Sony and Bluehole Studios are the first to fall foul of this transparency measure. Lawyers, beware!

 

[Zer_]

Sony is injurious to Sony, so why haven't they been taken down yet?

After all, this whole thing started when Sony removed the Other OS feature.

That is a bullshit argument. The US Army has an entire supercomputer created out of PS3 linux boxen, and they didn't hack their firmware to do it. The just STOPPED UPDATING.

It was a simple exchange: if you want to keep using linux on your PS3, don't upgrade the firmware. You DO own the hardware, but you LICENSE the firmware. If you accepted the agreement that said "BTW, this removes the linux install option", you're to blame, not SONY. Anything else is schoolyard crying.

And how was anyone supposed to know the update removed the Other OS feature? Chances are, most figured it out after they upgraded. Hell the only way I figure out what the updates add is through looking them up on the internet.

You are actually wrong a couple times over the OtherOS removal did not start this sony removed the OtherOS feature because some people(GeoHotz) were using the otherOS to hack the ps3. Secondly if you want to know what the update does it has a nice big screen before you agree to update that tells you what features it is adding or taking away. All you have to do is read a little.

No, you're wrong. Sony had a security leak that was found through the Other OS feature that could (potentially) reveal people's credit card information and other personal stuff. Instead of fixing the leak, Sony was lazy and just removed the Other OS feature. Had they simply removed it temporarily I would've understood.

 

[theultimateend]

I wonder how much money this whole thing costs Sony.

More than piracy ever will or would have.

Note: Again I'm speaking as someone who doesn't pirate (the LBP2 I'm playing came in a big sexy CE box, not a torrent file). The argument is just so flawed and anecdotal.

Potential Revenue != Revenue, it's not even an accurate comparison.

 

[midpipps]

Sony is injurious to Sony, so why haven't they been taken down yet?

After all, this whole thing started when Sony removed the Other OS feature.

That is a bullshit argument. The US Army has an entire supercomputer created out of PS3 linux boxen, and they didn't hack their firmware to do it. The just STOPPED UPDATING.

It was a simple exchange: if you want to keep using linux on your PS3, don't upgrade the firmware. You DO own the hardware, but you LICENSE the firmware. If you accepted the agreement that said "BTW, this removes the linux install option", you're to blame, not SONY. Anything else is schoolyard crying.

And how was anyone supposed to know the update removed the Other OS feature? Chances are, most figured it out after they upgraded. Hell the only way I figure out what the updates add is through looking them up on the internet.

You are actually wrong a couple times over the OtherOS removal did not start this sony removed the OtherOS feature because some people(GeoHotz) were using the otherOS to hack the ps3. Secondly if you want to know what the update does it has a nice big screen before you agree to update that tells you what features it is adding or taking away. All you have to do is read a little.

No, you're wrong. Sony had a security leak that was found through the Other OS feature that could (potentially) reveal people's credit card information and other personal stuff. Instead of fixing the leak, Sony was lazy and just removed the Other OS feature. Had they simply removed it temporarily I would've understood.

Do you have some news articles on this or anything cause from what I have seen from both sony press conferences and releases and from hacking community interviews and talks I have not seen anything that points to credit card information issues. I am sure if sony found a credit card issue the leak has been patched probably numerous times over. I don't think they would just take away the other os and call it good same reason they did not just take away other os and call the game side good. they continued to release firmware updates to try and tighten security of the system.

Right sony, how dare those rapscallions code something to be put on your system.
Oh the injury.

They are not doing it against people coding something to be put on the system they are taking down code that is made to circumvent the systems security measures and it is using their firmware. Now if these people had come up with their own firmware from scratch and not tried to circumvent the ps3 security measures then I would doubt sony would be so mad about it.

 

[Musiclly enhanced]

if only that stupid geo hotz had never tried to get pirate games on their other OS use then this shit storm wouldnt be here
so just learn dont hack for free games that people put time and effort to make and dont hack to ruin games like MW2.

 

[Wintermoot]

they might as well release a FW update that initiates the self destruct function on bootup its the ONLY thing that would stop hackers. Seriously Sony you are only gonna LOSE customers instead of GAINING THEM stop trying to prevent FW mods and go back to developing the PSP2 or PS4

 

[BehattedWanderer]

I'm actually still on Sony's side on this one. They've managed to hold out this long against pirates, and it's not like they aren't gaining a little ground back. Between the security leaks, the Other OS removal, and still managing to occasionally trip up the hackers, I think Sony is doing pretty well.

And, man, the DMCA is really getting it's shoes broken in, isn't it?

 

[Easton Dark]

Beat up 'dem hackers Sony.

I don't know how far you'll get, but atleast you're doing something, which it appears some people in this thread are against.

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

Just... just stop it.

You're not going to make any friends with this, guys, and you sure as shit won't stop your console from getting pirated left and right.

So you want Sony to just let it's console get pirated? They're not doing this to make friends. They're doing it to protect their business. This is the fault of Geohutz making a code that allowed pirating on the PS3. How do you think that developers feel now that Sony is going after people who steal their games? Probably better than they did with that whole R4DS situation that Nintendo pretty much couldn't stop.

It's not about Sony making friends. It's about them keeping the business partners they have and running a business.

 

[SovietSecrets]

Go hackers/pirates go. Honestly again this is doing more harm than good. Sony is doing the stupidest mistake by going after these people. Like I said before they should be fucking asking them how they did it and develop off that. This is just gonna piss off more people and create a lot more problems for everyone. Shit let your system be jailbroken, I didn't see this much gusto when the PSP was jailbroken.

 

[Dogstile]

You know the posts in this thread always make me laugh. Its just so hilarious that somebody can hate on sony for trying to prevent piracy on their console and then turn around and hate on pirates. If you hate pirating so much how can you be so against sony trying to prevent piracy and hacks on the ps3?

Honestly I really dont care about all the changes sony has made. They haven't effected me in any negative way and in fact by reducing the numbers of hackers they make my online experience more enjoyable.

You make me laugh. Of course you can be against both pirates and Sony. You can be against both of them out of simply wanting to be against dicks, which both groups are.

Also, the change wasn't reducing hackers, it's reducing pirates. >.>

 

[vrbtny]

To quote Extra credits.

"Sony, do not mess with the sort of people who install Linux on their playstations..... Seriously, you are just wasting your time."

 

[Dogstile]

You make me laugh. Of course you can be against both pirates and Sony. You can be against both of them out of simply wanting to be against dicks, which both groups are.

Also, the change wasn't reducing hackers, it's reducing pirates. >.>

Well you can be against both but your just being a hypocrit. Your against pirates but your also against sony trying to prevent piracy. Its just not logical to be against both of those moves.

The change is to reduce piracy. But the pirates and hackers are both using the same methods so in essence its a change to reduce both. The hackers are using the security leaks that the pirates helped make to well hack stuff, like games in mw2. With the latest patch it has apparently reduced the number of hackers in the games.

First off, its "hypocrite", please please spell correctly, otherwise you lose all credibility.

And you wouldn't be being a hypocrite if you acknowledge that what Sony did to prevent piracy hasn't stopped pirates in the slightest, all they did was hurt the consumer. I'm also hating on pirates for causing Sony to hurt the consumer.

And hackers, bleh, I can't be bothered to argue about those, i'm gonna go play some total war anyway.