Sony: Why we Nixed the UMD Transfer System

[Meight08]

Like I said before: If the Vita fails in America...

it won't be the Smart phone that killed it.
It will be Sony itself.

off to a fine start aren't they, if i wanted one before (hint: didn't) this would defiantly killed any interest.

said it before, and I'll say it again.

I.WILL.NOT.BUY.A.GAME.I.ALREADY.OWN.AGAIN.JUST.BECAUSE.YOU.THINK.YOU.NEED.MORE.MONEY

and that's really all i have to say about that

Dont you already have your psp?
why cant you keep it?

its not just about the Vita, its about the PS3 as well, since they're doing the same thing there as well with the PS2 games. can't plug the disk in, but you can download them.

so yeah, sony can go to hell now
(and this is from some one that used to love the PlayStation)

BUT YOU STILL GOT A PLAYSTATION 2 HOW LAZY ARE YOU?!
Im serious what is bad with having to keep your ps2 on your shelve?!

Lack of shelf space, I mean I only have room for so many of my consoles and it's not that we don't have shelf space it's this.

I have 50+ ps2 games I own and am still working on beating (I got a ps2 later on in it's life), none of them will play on the PS3 I have (Again late to the party). The only way to play PS2 games on my PS3 is to rebuy them on the PSN. Now this wouldn't be so bad but the problem is that the PS3 could play PS2 games before with no problems. Why should I pay to play my PS2 games on a system that had the function before hand? It's not keeping the system it's how it makes no since we have to deal with that when their was a option sony got rid of. My PS2 is on it's last legs right now and I would have liked to have PS2 play back on my PS3 so I could also have back up saves if something were to happen.

They removed the function so the ps3 would cost less to make it was a business choice.
The ps3 cost too much so they decided to strip it down a bit and the only thing they could remove was the backward's compatibility.

 

[Meight08]

WHY CANT PEOPLE JUST KEEP THEIR PSP?!
You can fit it an a drawer!
people are whining like Autistic kids like always.

And... Reported!
Some people would need the extra cash from trading in their old PSP to be able to justify buying a Vita, it is a very legitimate complaint. So before you decide to inappropriately describe us all as "autistic kids", try to think about why someone might be upset a little bit rather than not at all.

EDIT:
For those of you saying that this is like NES owners complaining that SNES couldn't play their games. It is not the backwards compatibility that is the problem, it is the denial of service. The service exists, but it is being denied to certain customers in favor of corporate ease. This is bad customer service and adding another shovel of dirt to a console that is already in trouble sales-wise.

Im not calling everybody autistic kids.
I saying they are whining like autistic kid's.
And im not just saying that because of prejudice's
Im in a school for autistics. And everybody in my school is a freaking whiner. Im serious we have windows made of double layered plexiglass and special rooms to lock kid's up in because kids get angry they got a low grade and break the window's because they

BTW: this actually happened 6 times this week.

 

[BoredRolePlayer]

Like I said before: If the Vita fails in America...

it won't be the Smart phone that killed it.
It will be Sony itself.

off to a fine start aren't they, if i wanted one before (hint: didn't) this would defiantly killed any interest.

said it before, and I'll say it again.

I.WILL.NOT.BUY.A.GAME.I.ALREADY.OWN.AGAIN.JUST.BECAUSE.YOU.THINK.YOU.NEED.MORE.MONEY

and that's really all i have to say about that

Dont you already have your psp?
why cant you keep it?

its not just about the Vita, its about the PS3 as well, since they're doing the same thing there as well with the PS2 games. can't plug the disk in, but you can download them.

so yeah, sony can go to hell now
(and this is from some one that used to love the PlayStation)

BUT YOU STILL GOT A PLAYSTATION 2 HOW LAZY ARE YOU?!
Im serious what is bad with having to keep your ps2 on your shelve?!

Lack of shelf space, I mean I only have room for so many of my consoles and it's not that we don't have shelf space it's this.

I have 50+ ps2 games I own and am still working on beating (I got a ps2 later on in it's life), none of them will play on the PS3 I have (Again late to the party). The only way to play PS2 games on my PS3 is to rebuy them on the PSN. Now this wouldn't be so bad but the problem is that the PS3 could play PS2 games before with no problems. Why should I pay to play my PS2 games on a system that had the function before hand? It's not keeping the system it's how it makes no since we have to deal with that when their was a option sony got rid of. My PS2 is on it's last legs right now and I would have liked to have PS2 play back on my PS3 so I could also have back up saves if something were to happen.

They removed the function so the ps3 would cost less to make it was a business choice.
The ps3 cost too much so they decided to strip it down a bit and the only thing they could remove was the backward's compatibility.

Then why not make a add on of some kind to replace the missing function, instead of having us re buy the games. You really think I"m going to hope, wait, and rebuy these games if they come to the PSN

.hack//Infection
.hack//Mutation
.hack//Outbreak
.hack//Quarantine
.hack//G.U. Rebirth
.hack//G.U. Reminisce
.hack//G.u. Redemption
Ar tonelico Melody of Elemia
Ar tonelico II Melody of Metafalica
Atelier Iris: Eternal Mana
Atelier Iris 2: The Azoth of Destiny
Atelier Iris 3: Grand Phantasm
Devil My Cry
Devil My Cry 2
Devil My Cry 3
Disgaea: Hour of Darkness
Disgaea 2: Cursed Memories
Dragon Ball Z:Budokai 3
Dragon Quest 8: Journey of the Cursed King
Drakengard 2
Deus Ex:The Conspiracy
Grand Theft Auto III
Grand Theft Auto San Andreas
Final Fantasy X
Final Fantasy X-2
Final Fantasy XII
Fullmetal Alchemist 2: Curse of the Crimson Elixir
Killer 7
Kingdom Hearts [check]
Kingdom Heads II
La Pucelle Tactics
Makai Kingdom:Chronicles of the Sacred Tome
Mana Khemia:Alchemists of Al~Revis
Mana Khemia2:Fall of Alchemy
Metal Gear Solid 2 Substance
Metal Gear Solid 3 Subsistence
Naruto Ultimate Ninja 2
Phantom Brave
RPG Maker II
RPG Maker III
Shin Megami Tensei Devil Summoner: Raidou Kizinoha vs The Soulless Army
Shin Megami Tensei Devil Summoner 2: Raidou Kuzunoha vs King Abaddon
Shin Megami Tensei Digital Devil Saga
Shin Megami Tensei Digital Devil Saga 2
Shin Megami Tensei Nocturine
Shin Megami Tensei Persona 3 FES
Shin Megami Tensei Persona 4
Soul Calibur III
Soul Nomad & the World Eaters
Star Ocean: Till the End of Time
Xenosaga
Xenosaga II
Xenosaga III

Nope I am going to hold on to my PS2 till it dies (the video port on the back is already screwing up).

 

[Sewer Rat]

Im not calling everybody autistic kids.
I saying they are whining like autistic kid's.
And im not just saying that because of prejudice's
Im in a school for autistics. And everybody in my school is a freaking whiner. Im serious we have windows made of double layered plexiglass and special rooms to lock kid's up in because kids get angry they got a low grade and break the window's because they

BTW: this actually happened 6 times this week.

Look, this may be true, but it is a very touchy subject. Just because you can use a comparison, doesn't mean you should.
"People are just whining like a broken motor."
There you go, same meaning, and nobody gets offended.

 

[Meight08]

Like I said before: If the Vita fails in America...

it won't be the Smart phone that killed it.
It will be Sony itself.

off to a fine start aren't they, if i wanted one before (hint: didn't) this would defiantly killed any interest.

said it before, and I'll say it again.

I.WILL.NOT.BUY.A.GAME.I.ALREADY.OWN.AGAIN.JUST.BECAUSE.YOU.THINK.YOU.NEED.MORE.MONEY

and that's really all i have to say about that

Dont you already have your psp?
why cant you keep it?

its not just about the Vita, its about the PS3 as well, since they're doing the same thing there as well with the PS2 games. can't plug the disk in, but you can download them.

so yeah, sony can go to hell now
(and this is from some one that used to love the PlayStation)

BUT YOU STILL GOT A PLAYSTATION 2 HOW LAZY ARE YOU?!
Im serious what is bad with having to keep your ps2 on your shelve?!

Lack of shelf space, I mean I only have room for so many of my consoles and it's not that we don't have shelf space it's this.

I have 50+ ps2 games I own and am still working on beating (I got a ps2 later on in it's life), none of them will play on the PS3 I have (Again late to the party). The only way to play PS2 games on my PS3 is to rebuy them on the PSN. Now this wouldn't be so bad but the problem is that the PS3 could play PS2 games before with no problems. Why should I pay to play my PS2 games on a system that had the function before hand? It's not keeping the system it's how it makes no since we have to deal with that when their was a option sony got rid of. My PS2 is on it's last legs right now and I would have liked to have PS2 play back on my PS3 so I could also have back up saves if something were to happen.

They removed the function so the ps3 would cost less to make it was a business choice.
The ps3 cost too much so they decided to strip it down a bit and the only thing they could remove was the backward's compatibility.

Then why not make a add on of some kind to replace the missing function, instead of having us re buy the games. You really think I"m going to hope, wait, and rebuy these games if they come to the PSN

.hack//Infection
.hack//Mutation
.hack//Outbreak
.hack//Quarantine
.hack//G.U. Rebirth
.hack//G.U. Reminisce
.hack//G.u. Redemption
Ar tonelico Melody of Elemia
Ar tonelico II Melody of Metafalica
Atelier Iris: Eternal Mana
Atelier Iris 2: The Azoth of Destiny
Atelier Iris 3: Grand Phantasm
Devil My Cry
Devil My Cry 2
Devil My Cry 3
Disgaea: Hour of Darkness
Disgaea 2: Cursed Memories
Dragon Ball Z:Budokai 3
Dragon Quest 8: Journey of the Cursed King
Drakengard 2
Deus Ex:The Conspiracy
Grand Theft Auto III
Grand Theft Auto San Andreas
Final Fantasy X
Final Fantasy X-2
Final Fantasy XII
Fullmetal Alchemist 2: Curse of the Crimson Elixir
Killer 7
Kingdom Hearts [check]
Kingdom Heads II
La Pucelle Tactics
Makai Kingdom:Chronicles of the Sacred Tome
Mana Khemia:Alchemists of Al~Revis
Mana Khemia2:Fall of Alchemy
Metal Gear Solid 2 Substance
Metal Gear Solid 3 Subsistence
Naruto Ultimate Ninja 2
Phantom Brave
RPG Maker II
RPG Maker III
Shin Megami Tensei Devil Summoner: Raidou Kizinoha vs The Soulless Army
Shin Megami Tensei Devil Summoner 2: Raidou Kuzunoha vs King Abaddon
Shin Megami Tensei Digital Devil Saga
Shin Megami Tensei Digital Devil Saga 2
Shin Megami Tensei Nocturine
Shin Megami Tensei Persona 3 FES
Shin Megami Tensei Persona 4
Soul Calibur III
Soul Nomad & the World Eaters
Star Ocean: Till the End of Time
Xenosaga
Xenosaga II
Xenosaga III

Nope I am going to hold on to my PS2 till it dies (the video port on the back is already screwing up).

The motheboard of the ps3 was fitted with the same cpu as the ps2 alongside the cell processor. So an extension would have to be grafted onto the motherboard. which is impossible.

 

[Bara_no_Hime]

I find it hilariously amusing that everybody in this thread admits to one of the following.

1. Never having owned a PSP
2. Never owning a UMD or
3. Never wanting a PSV in the first place.

Why are you even here? If you fit into any of the three categories above, your opinion on the matter is moot. I'll be picking up my PSV tomorrow and I will enjoy the hell out of it. Just like I have enjoyed my PSP for all these years.

Yeah, I was noticing that trend too.

Still, I DO own a PSP. I own it for games like Persona 3 Portable, Jeanne d'Arc, Parasite Eve 3rd Birthday, and FF7 Crisis Core.

... that said, the PSV didn't sound particularly appealing. I can't see how it's superior to the PSP I already own. So... yeah.

I actually wasn't thrilled with the "you can rebuy games you already own for 5 bucks" service anyway. Thats... already a rip-off. I have my PSP, why would I want to buy a PSV AND pay 5 bucks per game to redownload games I can already play on my PSP?

So yeah, guys... this is Sony deciding to just rip off the Japanese instead of ripping off the rest of the world. Why are you so upset?

 

[Yopaz]

WHY CANT PEOPLE JUST KEEP THEIR PSP?!
You can fit it an a drawer!
people are whining like Autistic kids like always.

Because things sometimes stop working. My nephew dropped my DS and it's close to useless now, my NES got a problem that makes it impossible to get an image on the screen, my friend's GameCube got some problems reading the discs because there's some issues with the laser. We want backwards compatibility because it gives us some security that the games we've collected through the years will stay with us. Refusing to give us a service they have already made and give us a flimsy reason why we wont get it isn't what Sony needs to gain popularity. Sony is in fact denying their previous customers something they desire. It's hardly the best way to thank their customers for their support.

 

[ElPatron]

1. Never having owned a PSP
2. Never owning a UMD or
3. Never wanting a PSV in the first place.

"wanting" =! "willing to shell out money for it"

If you threw a Vita at my face, with memory card and my PSP library included, I would sure take it.

But every week seems that Sony wants to prevent me to actually be willing to give them the money.

WHY CANT PEOPLE JUST KEEP THEIR PSP?!
You can fit it an a drawer!
people are whining like Autistic kids like always.

I will keep my PSP. By not buying Vita.

I kid you not, I could still auction off the PSP to help pay for the Vita expenses. I have no special attachment to my PSP that would prevent me from selling it.

But buying a new system and still hump around with the old one on me? I am already carrying wallet, cellphone and a mp3 player. Now TWO different consoles? What the hell?

The point of a PSP is the second P.

 

[Kapol]

So... it's the money is what I got from the article. The biggest reason for that is because of one line:

Yoshida went on to argue that UMD games are cheaper in Europe and the US than they are in Japan, meaning western gamers are more likely to just rebuy the games rather than use the transfer service.

What that tells me is one of three things. The first being the most likely; that they figure western gamers are more likely to rebuy games (in their mind) so they shouldn't even offer a cheaper alternative. The second being that it cost a decent amount of money to host the games on their services. Though I doubt that given the number of cheap but large games on their service. And the third being that they just don't understand that many people don't like the idea of rebuying things they already own as a general rule of thumb. At least from my experience.

 

[AbstractStream]

I.WILL.NOT.BUY.A.GAME.I.ALREADY.OWN.AGAIN.JUST.BECAUSE.YOU.THINK.YOU.NEED.MORE.MONEY

and that's really all i have to say about that

Thank you. Those are my thoughts exactly.
I am disappointed with this news. I'll stick with my trusty PSP for now.

 

[BoredRolePlayer]

Like I said before: If the Vita fails in America...

it won't be the Smart phone that killed it.
It will be Sony itself.

off to a fine start aren't they, if i wanted one before (hint: didn't) this would defiantly killed any interest.

said it before, and I'll say it again.

I.WILL.NOT.BUY.A.GAME.I.ALREADY.OWN.AGAIN.JUST.BECAUSE.YOU.THINK.YOU.NEED.MORE.MONEY

and that's really all i have to say about that

Dont you already have your psp?
why cant you keep it?

its not just about the Vita, its about the PS3 as well, since they're doing the same thing there as well with the PS2 games. can't plug the disk in, but you can download them.

so yeah, sony can go to hell now
(and this is from some one that used to love the PlayStation)

BUT YOU STILL GOT A PLAYSTATION 2 HOW LAZY ARE YOU?!
Im serious what is bad with having to keep your ps2 on your shelve?!

Lack of shelf space, I mean I only have room for so many of my consoles and it's not that we don't have shelf space it's this.

I have 50+ ps2 games I own and am still working on beating (I got a ps2 later on in it's life), none of them will play on the PS3 I have (Again late to the party). The only way to play PS2 games on my PS3 is to rebuy them on the PSN. Now this wouldn't be so bad but the problem is that the PS3 could play PS2 games before with no problems. Why should I pay to play my PS2 games on a system that had the function before hand? It's not keeping the system it's how it makes no since we have to deal with that when their was a option sony got rid of. My PS2 is on it's last legs right now and I would have liked to have PS2 play back on my PS3 so I could also have back up saves if something were to happen.

They removed the function so the ps3 would cost less to make it was a business choice.
The ps3 cost too much so they decided to strip it down a bit and the only thing they could remove was the backward's compatibility.

Then why not make a add on of some kind to replace the missing function, instead of having us re buy the games. You really think I"m going to hope, wait, and rebuy these games if they come to the PSN

.hack//Infection
.hack//Mutation
.hack//Outbreak
.hack//Quarantine
.hack//G.U. Rebirth
.hack//G.U. Reminisce
.hack//G.u. Redemption
Ar tonelico Melody of Elemia
Ar tonelico II Melody of Metafalica
Atelier Iris: Eternal Mana
Atelier Iris 2: The Azoth of Destiny
Atelier Iris 3: Grand Phantasm
Devil My Cry
Devil My Cry 2
Devil My Cry 3
Disgaea: Hour of Darkness
Disgaea 2: Cursed Memories
Dragon Ball Z:Budokai 3
Dragon Quest 8: Journey of the Cursed King
Drakengard 2
Deus Ex:The Conspiracy
Grand Theft Auto III
Grand Theft Auto San Andreas
Final Fantasy X
Final Fantasy X-2
Final Fantasy XII
Fullmetal Alchemist 2: Curse of the Crimson Elixir
Killer 7
Kingdom Hearts [check]
Kingdom Heads II
La Pucelle Tactics
Makai Kingdom:Chronicles of the Sacred Tome
Mana Khemia:Alchemists of Al~Revis
Mana Khemia2:Fall of Alchemy
Metal Gear Solid 2 Substance
Metal Gear Solid 3 Subsistence
Naruto Ultimate Ninja 2
Phantom Brave
RPG Maker II
RPG Maker III
Shin Megami Tensei Devil Summoner: Raidou Kizinoha vs The Soulless Army
Shin Megami Tensei Devil Summoner 2: Raidou Kuzunoha vs King Abaddon
Shin Megami Tensei Digital Devil Saga
Shin Megami Tensei Digital Devil Saga 2
Shin Megami Tensei Nocturine
Shin Megami Tensei Persona 3 FES
Shin Megami Tensei Persona 4
Soul Calibur III
Soul Nomad & the World Eaters
Star Ocean: Till the End of Time
Xenosaga
Xenosaga II
Xenosaga III

Nope I am going to hold on to my PS2 till it dies (the video port on the back is already screwing up).

The motheboard of the ps3 was fitted with the same cpu as the ps2 alongside the cell processor. So an extension would have to be grafted onto the motherboard. which is impossible.

Ok fine here is another reasons why the Vita not having it is stupid.

Transitional problems with a launch of a system. One things that help people buy a brand new expensive game system is the fact that if the launch titles or first year amount of games didn't appeal to them they could at least play their old games on it to pass time.

 

[renegade7]

A more accurate, truthful, and concise answer would have been "Because we can get you to pay more for it."

 

[Epona]

Well, I bought most of my PSP games digitally and the games I do own on UMD aren't avaialble for download so I wouldn't benefit from this transfer program anyway. Maybe that is what Sony is thinking, still, some people may have alot of downloadable games on UMD like Lunar, Final Fantasy IV, Final Fantasy Tactics, etc...

Sony just doesn't want this thing to succeed. Well, atleast PS1 compatibility is coming.

People claiming that backwards compatibility isn't needed are wrong. Sony used to understand the value of backward compatibility, Nintendo understands it now too. Also reading these comments about the PS3 not having PS2 compatibility is confusing, people do realize that the launch model had PS2 compatibility.

 

[DeltaEdge]

I find it hilariously amusing that everybody in this thread admits to one of the following.

1. Never having owned a PSP
2. Never owning a UMD or
3. Never wanting a PSV in the first place.

Why are you even here? If you fit into any of the three categories above, your opinion on the matter is moot. I'll be picking up my PSV tomorrow and I will enjoy the hell out of it. Just like I have enjoyed my PSP for all these years.

Oh and guess what? These several dozen UMDs I own? Know what I'm gonna do with them? I'll just play them on my PSP when I feel like playing them. Because you know why? I have a god damn brain and don't throw a ***** fit over backwards compatibility.

Spoiler

Fucking whiners.

3. Japanese language games are not sold on the Playstation network. (Edit: in Australia)

Problem is easily solved by signing up to the Japanese PSN. Or whatever they call it now. I've been a member for years and have been DLing my games digitally from there for a long time now. Just be warned that you can only attach a single PSN account to a single Vita at this point in time.
If you don't mind my asking, which game are you looking forward to? I just ordered Tales of Innocence and am eagerly awaiting it's arrival.

Lol, the part about backwards compatibility in your post made me laugh. So, what, is everyone just planning to sell their PSPs as soon as they get a Vita. I can see this being an issue if you are like me, and need to sell your psp to be able to afford a Vita, but if you can afford your vita without selling the PSP, then it doesn't really seem like there's much of a problem. But that's just me I guess..
As much as I would like a Vita, I don't have any money to buy one. If I had the money, I would. Sony certainly isn't doing the Vita any favors though. I understand from a business sense that it would simply be much too costly to make the software for us over here if what they said about us not having as many psps or demand for psp games is right, but it still pisses people off enough to not buy the console, or at least say they won't. I can see them conceding and making the software conversion if the sales of the vita were really tanking over here though, but only if it were doing close to as bad as the PSP go did.
Anyways, in conclusion, I don't really care that the vita is not backwards compatible, because the game line-up still looks fairly good, and if I had the money, I would definitely buy it. And on a separate note, glad to see someone taking an interest in Tales of Innocence R . If they released it over here in the US before there are many JRPGs on the Vita, I think that it would work pretty well (assuming the vita doesn't tank over here)

 

[ThreeWords]

As an representative of the internet I am utterly outraged at their refusal to provide a service I wouldn't use, for a product I have no intention of buying.

I find it hilariously amusing that everybody in this thread admits to one of the following.

1. Never having owned a PSP
2. Never owning a UMD or
3. Never wanting a PSV in the first place.

Why are you even here? If you fit into any of the three categories above, your opinion on the matter is moot. I'll be picking up my PSV tomorrow and I will enjoy the hell out of it. Just like I have enjoyed my PSP for all these years.

Oh and guess what? These several dozen UMDs I own? Know what I'm gonna do with them? I'll just play them on my PSP when I feel like playing them. Because you know why? I have a god damn brain and don't throw a ***** fit over backwards compatibility.

You guys are, like, so apathetic. I'm still angry I can't play GBA games on my DSi.

 

[Some_weirdGuy]

You guys are, like, so apathetic. I'm still angry I can't play GBA games on my DSi.

But you were still silly enough to actually buy a DSi despite this. Rather than... and it's crazy i know but bare with me here... buying a normal DS or DS Lite instead which still features the GBA slot.

((Or alternatively being like me and not buying a DS at all. Screw not being able to play my gameboy color games on that thing, I was not buying into those kinds of shenanigans when my GameBoy Advance could play them just fine As far as I was concerned they wouldn't see a cent from me till they came back with a new handheld that could do EVERYTHING my GBA does plus more. XD
and then I just kinda grew out of them anyway))

 

[neonsword13-ops]

Yeeeaaaaah, no, yeeauhno.

I am not buying Persona 3 Portable again for full price. Unless, of course, I can use the account on my PSP that I digitally purchased it on and download it again on the VITA.

If not, I call bullshit. Absolute bullshit.

Aside from that...

"When you compare that to the price of games here, PSP games in Japan are sold at a much higher price, so people see the value in spending the $5 to $10 to get the digital copy," he said. "But when the games are already sold at a lower price in the U.S. we see less value in introducing that kind of system."

 

[Beautiful End]

And I suddenly reminded of Capcom's excuse to cancel Megaman Legends 3. Hmm...

At any rate, I'm still keeping my PSP. At this point the Vita only has like...what, 3 possible titles that are not a re-release of an already existing PS3 game. And they're not even that awesome.

Come on, Sony. You should've learned from the 3DS launch. At least the 3DS has backwards compatibility for free. Which...now that I think about it, the Vita actually makes the 3DS look good now. Huh.

I'll admit I could care less about this since I won't be getting a Vita ever. But...well, we'll see. I think it's a dumb move by Sony, but time will tell.

 

[SoulSalmon]

And yet people around here still look shocked when I tell them I'm not getting a vita >.>
I swear every time there's a news article with SONYs name in it it's just more bad news for them..
Heck, they've been on a downward spiral pretty much since 2006...

 

[targren]

Translation: "Stupid round-eye fanboys will buy their games all over again, and love us even more for it! Waahahha"

Seriously... "Games are cheaper" over here is an excuse to make you buy them all over again? Wow.