Sony: Wii Didn't Bring Gaming Into the Mainstream, PS2 Did
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Sony's right. Everybody and their mother had/has a PS2. As of a few months ago, it was selling better then PS3. I lol'd.
Might as well ask, "How big does a rock have to get before it's big"? There is no answer. It started small, it got bigger, any line between, "Small" and "Big" is arbitrary. Wii and PS2 both have there groundbreaking and innovation, as well as there shortcomings. Celebrate those. Who was, "First" is just too vague an achievement. They were all mainstream to an extent, right on back to the original arcade version of Pong.
Of course, I could just jump in and really cause some chaos, and point to computer and murmer something about popcap and browser or Facebook games,and slowly get more ornery and say incoherent things about the innovation of the indie scene, games as art, and the pedigree of all modern mainstream games being in things like Doom, Half Life, etc. But that would just be mean, wouldn't it?
Of course, I could just jump in and really cause some chaos, and point to computer and murmer something about popcap and browser or Facebook games,and slowly get more ornery and say incoherent things about the innovation of the indie scene, games as art, and the pedigree of all modern mainstream games being in things like Doom, Half Life, etc. But that would just be mean, wouldn't it?
Never had a PS2. I had an xbox, and it was great. then the 360 came along and shat all over my gaming medium...
I guess they have a point, though. After all, everyone here could definitely name more than 3 people they knew that owned a playstation. they were as common as cats a few years back.
I guess they have a point, though. After all, everyone here could definitely name more than 3 people they knew that owned a playstation. they were as common as cats a few years back.
Ps2 might have been the biggest hit with 'Gamers' But I know people who wouldn't even touch a console, that own a DS or Wii, they broke the bounderies of 'oh thats just a games console, I'm not interested in playing games'.
My mums a christian nut, thinks most games are evil, didn't want to touch a console, she owns a Wii now. "theres nothing evil about keep fit or abit of bowling"
Whether Sony like it or not, Wii / DS opened up the minds of some closed people, and entered them into the gaming world. Sony is just bitter that the 'inferior' console is doing so well compared to their psflopping3.
Tho tbh I really do wish the ps3 did better than it has, it seems to be a very powerful console (with the price tag to match)
My mums a christian nut, thinks most games are evil, didn't want to touch a console, she owns a Wii now. "theres nothing evil about keep fit or abit of bowling"
Whether Sony like it or not, Wii / DS opened up the minds of some closed people, and entered them into the gaming world. Sony is just bitter that the 'inferior' console is doing so well compared to their psflopping3.
Tho tbh I really do wish the ps3 did better than it has, it seems to be a very powerful console (with the price tag to match)
i googled it. this thread was the first hit, so apparently it was you.Captain Blackout said:
Gaming as we know it wouldn't exist without capitalism.Captain Blackout said:
All artists need to make money. if they don't, they have to get regular jobs and both the quality and quantity of art will suffer. Games today take years to develop and can cost millions of dollars to make. they would be utterly impossible to make without some sort of investment structure in place. Game companies are run by businessmen because businessmen know how to leverage artist's creativity into making money, which allows the artists to devote all of their time to producing art.
i love modest mouse too, but if you think modern music is bleak, make a music thread on here and people will start suggest all sorts of bands you've never heard of. you're right in that producers and distributors often get in the way of new music, but they're the reason people could make a living off of music in the first place. you can denounce the evils of capitalism all you want, but you're ignoring all the benefits.
No, I'm not ignoring the benefits. My gripe is with unfettered capitalism. Capitalism is a tool, pure and simple. Socialism is a tool. Deciding that we have to go with one or the other is a retarded idea that leads to economic overspecialization and eventually death of the system, possibly including the society with it.cobra_ky said:i googled it. this thread was the first hit, so apparently it was you.Captain Blackout said:
Gaming as we know it wouldn't exist without capitalism.Captain Blackout said:
All artists need to make money. if they don't, they have to get regular jobs and both the quality and quantity of art will suffer. Games today take years to develop and can cost millions of dollars to make. they would be utterly impossible to make without some sort of investment structure in place. Game companies are run by businessmen because businessmen know how to leverage artist's creativity into making money, which allows the artists to devote all of their time to producing art.
i love modest mouse too, but if you think modern music is bleak, make a music thread on here and people will start suggest all sorts of bands you've never heard of. you're right in that producers and distributors often get in the way of new music, but they're the reason people could make a living off of music in the first place. you can denounce the evils of capitalism all you want, but you're ignoring all the benefits.
I used to work in a music store. I've heard of more bands than most, by far. I had to file every last damn new item that ever came in. But nice try. Rock and Roll was a revolution against (amongst other things) corporate greed and conservative values. Now it's mostly mass-produced crap and the only reason much of it is successful is because people are too damn lazy to look for indie groups that have real talent. They just want simple candy pop spoon fed to them. Then again, that's been a problem since the first humans and is why fundamentalist religions and anti-theism are so popular.
you said unfettered capitalism caused the economic collapse. (which is absolutely true.) other than that one sentence, you referred to capitalism in general. you also haven't said anything positive about capitalism in this entire thread. how is that not ignoring the benefits?Captain Blackout said:
EDIT: removed a factually incorrect statement.
well of course most of what you saw was mass-produced crap. you worked in a music store! for every artist you filed, there are hundreds of others who don't have national distribution deals. you even admit there's indie groups out there with real talent; go listen to them! you'll find that most of them were influenced by mainstream bands of the past, bands they never would have heard of it if their music hadn't been distributed by the mainstream record labels. now, i think the recording industry is well on it's way toward obsolescence and now it's impeding progress in the distribution of music, but i recognize that music today wouldn't be where it is without them.Captain Blackout said:
WTF? I just realized something... are you chasing me down on different threads just to argue with me? What the HELL?cobra_ky said:
Very well...you want to comment on my comments, maybe you should READ THE THREAD BEFORE YOU POST! I explicitly stated I'm all for a mixed economy. I won't even go into what music could be without the RIAA.........
i just check the latest posts and hot threads for subjects that interest me. that i happen to strongly disagree with you on two unrelated topics is an interesting coincidence.Captain Blackout said:
i missed that post before and i stand corrected on that point.Captain Blackout said:
I personally believe the original Playstation did more to the industry than any other console.
Sure atari introduced it and nintendo revitalised it but playstation made computer games into a profitable medium to the others who were still unsure. Of course this is up for debate.
Sure atari introduced it and nintendo revitalised it but playstation made computer games into a profitable medium to the others who were still unsure. Of course this is up for debate.
^ Agreed but how many Mom's purchased a PS2 for themself?
I'm 26 and my mother has just bought a wii, she wouldn't even think about playing anything before it.
The Wii works because it subverts everything that the gaming revolution has done previously, it went for simple and silly fun.
I'm 26 and my mother has just bought a wii, she wouldn't even think about playing anything before it.
The Wii works because it subverts everything that the gaming revolution has done previously, it went for simple and silly fun.
That's...just going backwards.Armored Prayer said:
Arcades and their fanatic quarter-shelling followers were what really alienated gaming from the mainstream.
Oh, and Sony, stop being such snooty dickweeds.
Nintendo did it, whether you like it or not, so stop trying to steal their credit.
The PS2 was a console, nothing more...the Wii became a gateway to gaming (though to a limited degree) because its themes and controls were so accessible (i.e., no other console has bludgeoned the precision and intricacies of controls like having Grandma flailing the controller to perform a wide range of actions.)
