Sony: Wii U is in "Its Own Generation"

[him over there]

"They didn't beat us, because they did it differently."

He is sort of right though. Nintendo has never beaten any of its competitors through brute force, err processing power because they just aren't capable of bringing that power to their machines on account of their company being smaller than the other two. Which is why Nintendo has always survived by singling out and finding a niche.

 

[ReinWeisserRitter]

He is sort of right though. Nintendo has never beaten any of its competitors through brute force, err processing power because they just aren't capable of bringing that power to their machines on account of their company being smaller than the other two. Which is why Nintendo has always survived by singling out and finding a niche.

It's still ridiculous to claim that it didn't count just because the guy who won was more creative than you were, though. Sony and Microsoft could be likened to a pair of sumo wrestlers trying to outmuscle each other, while Nintendo was more of a sniper who picked them both off at his leisure. Sony should be humbled and gratified that it can take more than brute force and imitation to produce a hit in this industry, and instead they're crying that they were outsmarted.

 

[him over there]

He is sort of right though. Nintendo has never beaten any of its competitors through brute force, err processing power because they just aren't capable of bringing that power to their machines on account of their company being smaller than the other two. Which is why Nintendo has always survived by singling out and finding a niche.

It's still ridiculous to claim that it didn't count just because the guy who won was more creative than you were, though. Sony and Microsoft could be likened to a pair of sumo wrestlers trying to outmuscle each other, while Nintendo was more of a sniper who picked them both off at his leisure. Sony should be humbled and gratified that it can take more than brute force and imitation to produce a hit in this industry, and instead they're crying that they were outsmarted.

Well the "they didn't win because they were different" doesn't really hold water, in fact they won specifically because they did something different. However he was correct about Nintendo's practises regarding finding a niche in order to sustain itself.

 

[ReinWeisserRitter]

Well the "they didn't win because they were different" doesn't really hold water, in fact they won specifically because they did something different. However he was correct about Nintendo's practises regarding finding a niche in order to sustain itself.

I'm not saying otherwise. I'm just poking fun at them for what looks more like sour grapes than anything.

 

[him over there]

Well the "they didn't win because they were different" doesn't really hold water, in fact they won specifically because they did something different. However he was correct about Nintendo's practises regarding finding a niche in order to sustain itself.

I'm not saying otherwise. I'm just poking fun at them for what looks more like sour grapes than anything.

Oh there are definitely some sour grapes coming from them and they taste like butthurt.

 

[OldNewNewOld]

Wow... so many people on the Escapist don't understand that "generation" has nothing to do with "competition".
At the lunch of the PS3, the PS2 was it's competition even tho it was a product of the same company and a generation ago.

Competition of a product is every product that targets the same consumer base or their consumer bases overlap in an area.

Generation refers to the time of release.

The original PS and N64 are the same generation, 5th generation.
The successor of the PS and N64 are PS2 and GC. They are the generation 6.
Their successors are the PS3 and the Wii. Generation 7.
The PS4 and the WiiU will be generation 8 and the PS5 and WiiUThey will be generation 9.

Generations were never related to the power of the console. It was always about the time when they were released. People started thinking up bullshit about power requirement only when the Wii stomped over the competition this generation. Butthurt Sony and MS didn't want to admit defeat (in term of hardware sales) and started thinking of this bullshit.

And the Wii was competition to Sony and MS simply because the Wii was for everyone, while the PS3 and 360 were for h4rdc0r g4morzzzzz.
Their targeted consumer bases overlapped.

 

[shrekfan246]

Thats fine, Nintendo didnt want to be in their club anyway, hes going to start his own club and its going to be even better and super exclusive anyway.

With blackjack! And hookers!

Curses, ninja'd again!

OT: It'll be interesting to see if Sony can manage to keep their next Playstation cheap enough to actually compete with the Wii-U.

 

[Hosker]

Yeah, I can agree with that - the audiences are pretty different so they are not competing as directly as Sony and Microsoft are with each other.

 

[him over there]

Thats fine, Nintendo didnt want to be in their club anyway, hes going to start his own club and its going to be even better and super exclusive anyway.

With blackjack! And hookers!

Curses, ninja'd again!

OT: It'll be interesting to see if Sony can manage to keep their next Playstation cheap enough to actually compete with the Wii-U.

Well both the PS4 and 720 could vastly outperform the Wii U and rob it of third party support by being more powerful than it is but that would require either selling at a loss and making the money back on games or selling at an extremely high price point. It all comes down to whether the competition will outperform the wii U to crush it at the cost of risking an unfortunate pricing issue or if they'll settle around the Wii U to sell at a reasonable price point while letting the Wii U remain a competitor. The former removes Nintendo from the competition while the latter means competing with Nintendo but with a far less risky price point.

 

[Denamic]

The Wii was incredibly successful, but turned out to be terrible as a gaming console due to its anemic game catalogue.
Sure, it has good games, but you can count them on your hands.
And most of them didn't even use the motion controls in any significant way.
As in, you could remove them and still have the gameplay intact if not improved.
We have a Wii, and I haven't even touched it in 2 years.

 

[VanQ]

I still think the tablet controller looks awful and the XBox ripoff has the thumbsticks in the wrong places. This will probably be another Nintendo home console I won't give a damn about. Never was a fan of Nintendo's first party games anyway.

Here's a perfect example of Nintendo hating. You want to badmouth Nintendo so much that you go offtopic for it.

What's your problem, dude? I never said I hate Nintendo. I just said it's another home console of theirs I don't have an interest in. In fact, I have had every handheld of theirs since the original GameBoy and even bought a 3DS day one. I think Nintendo makes fine handhelds but I have no interest in their home console and have little to no interest in Zelda and Mario games, thus I'm a Nintendo hater?

Here's a perfect example of Nintendo fanboyism.

And than watch this:
http://penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/hard-boiled

There should be a topic just for that episode, it's one of the best Extra Credits episode.
Not only is gaming imature as an industry, gamers themselves are too.

Haha, oh wow. I just realised that you posted this right after your little episode of rage. Good show, boss.

 

[NezumiiroKitsune]

The PS4 doesn't need much better hardware. The CPU of the PS3 is way more than it needs, the GPU could do with an update, but largely just to keep up with current features, since given that consoles are highly optimised for, you don't need the 680 or 7970 in there to produce really solid looking games built for the systems. It needs more RAM, like the industry have been saying, like we have been saying, that's what's holding it back so often. The RAM capacity of the PS3 was a stellar example of poor forethought, as was the CPU, it was too expensive. I'm still torn on the Blu-Ray drive, and probably always will be. It sold a few systems, but it cost a lot of money to do, and did it pay off? Not a lot. Yeah we couldn't have done MGS4 and a couple of other games on a single disc with uncompressed cutscenes, but was it worth the cost?

Anyway, my POINT is, I don't think the Wii U and the PS4 and 720 will have as much between them, if the Wii U is a more powerful machine than either the PS3 or 360. If they're smart the PS4 will have more RAM, a customised 450, or 550, and nothing flashy. The 360 I'm less sure about, the CPU could have an upgrade and not break the bank, and it'd benefit it, RAM could use a little upgrade and they've already settled on a GPU I hear; the 6700? Sort of the range I'm expecting. Last generation to save money, but we aren't losing a lot.

 

[MiriaJiyuu]

I still think the tablet controller looks awful and the XBox ripoff has the thumbsticks in the wrong places.

With regard to thumbsticks....its because of patents.

So are you saying that Microsoft stole the thumbstick placement from Nintendo (Gamecube controller) and then put a patent on it?

Look at the N64 controller.... Nintendo just kind of puts an analog stick wherever they feel like putting it regardless of basic hand anatomy. As a side note that controller is going to be VERY awkward to hold and painful after a while.

 

[Epona]

I still think the tablet controller looks awful and the XBox ripoff has the thumbsticks in the wrong places.

With regard to thumbsticks....its because of patents.

So are you saying that Microsoft stole the thumbstick placement from Nintendo (Gamecube controller) and then put a patent on it?

Look at the N64 controller.... Nintendo just kind of puts an analog stick wherever they feel like putting it regardless of basic hand anatomy. As a side note that controller is going to be VERY awkward to hold and painful after a while.

1) Did you even read the post you quoted?
2) Yes, Nintendo puts analog sticks where they want to. So does Sony and Microsoft.

 

[MiriaJiyuu]

I still think the tablet controller looks awful and the XBox ripoff has the thumbsticks in the wrong places.

With regard to thumbsticks....its because of patents.

So are you saying that Microsoft stole the thumbstick placement from Nintendo (Gamecube controller) and then put a patent on it?

Look at the N64 controller.... Nintendo just kind of puts an analog stick wherever they feel like putting it regardless of basic hand anatomy. As a side note that controller is going to be VERY awkward to hold and painful after a while.

1) Did you even read the post you quoted?
2) Yes, Nintendo puts analog sticks where they want to. So does Sony and Microsoft.

In backwards order...

2) Have you looked at any of Nintendo's last four controllers? Not one of them had their analog sticks in the same place. Sony and Microsoft are at least consistent, even the PSP was basically a Playstation controller with a screen in the middle.

1) I'm pretty sure I quoted the wrong post in the first place

 

[Epona]

I still think the tablet controller looks awful and the XBox ripoff has the thumbsticks in the wrong places.

With regard to thumbsticks....its because of patents.

So are you saying that Microsoft stole the thumbstick placement from Nintendo (Gamecube controller) and then put a patent on it?

Look at the N64 controller.... Nintendo just kind of puts an analog stick wherever they feel like putting it regardless of basic hand anatomy. As a side note that controller is going to be VERY awkward to hold and painful after a while.

1) Did you even read the post you quoted?
2) Yes, Nintendo puts analog sticks where they want to. So does Sony and Microsoft.

In backwards order...

2) Have you looked at any of Nintendo's last four controllers? Not one of them had their analog sticks in the same place. Sony and Microsoft are at least consistent, even the PSP was basically a Playstation controller with a screen in the middle.

1) I'm pretty sure I quoted the wrong post in the first place

Nintendo has always had a different controller for every console. NES, SNES, N64, Gamecube, Wii and now WiiU. I would call that being innovative. The N64 controller was kind of crappy and I haven't yet held the WiiU controller (with screen or without) but it looks uncomfortable.

The NES controller was amazing for it's time, the SNES controller is still the standard today and the Gamecube controller is still one of my favorite controllers. The Wiimote isn't great and I am glad we are moving past that.

Sony, on the other hand, has kept the same controller for 3 generations and that's fine too. It's a good design but when Sony did try to replace the controller with the boomerang....I am guessing that thing was worse than any Nintendo controller, including the new one.

The 360 controller is nice (except the D-Pad) but remember that beast of a controller they originally shipped with the Xbox?

 

[MiriaJiyuu]

I still think the tablet controller looks awful and the XBox ripoff has the thumbsticks in the wrong places.

With regard to thumbsticks....its because of patents.

So are you saying that Microsoft stole the thumbstick placement from Nintendo (Gamecube controller) and then put a patent on it?

Look at the N64 controller.... Nintendo just kind of puts an analog stick wherever they feel like putting it regardless of basic hand anatomy. As a side note that controller is going to be VERY awkward to hold and painful after a while.

1) Did you even read the post you quoted?
2) Yes, Nintendo puts analog sticks where they want to. So does Sony and Microsoft.

In backwards order...

2) Have you looked at any of Nintendo's last four controllers? Not one of them had their analog sticks in the same place. Sony and Microsoft are at least consistent, even the PSP was basically a Playstation controller with a screen in the middle.

1) I'm pretty sure I quoted the wrong post in the first place

Nintendo has always had a different controller for every console. NES, SNES, N64, Gamecube, Wii and now WiiU. I would call that being innovative. The N64 controller was kind of crappy and I haven't yet held the WiiU controller (with screen or without) but it looks uncomfortable.

The NES controller was amazing for it's time, the SNES controller is still the standard today and the Gamecube controller is still one of my favorite controllers. The Wiimote isn't great and I am glad we are moving past that.

Sony, on the other hand, has kept the same controller for 3 generations and that's fine too. It's a good design but when Sony did try to replace the controller with the boomerang....I am guessing that thing was worse than any Nintendo controller, including the new one.

The 360 controller is nice (except the D-Pad) but remember that beast of a controller they originally shipped with the Xbox?

Yes, and I love the fact that nintendo at least tries something new... even if they seem to be coming up with weird innovations that aren't catching on lately, but at least they're being innovative. The N64 controller though... I swear it was not made for the human race.

And yes... I remember that... thing?... monster?... eldricht abomination?... that came with the original Xbox, I'd rather not think about it but I get the feeling that the WiiU tablets going to be similar in terms of awkwardness.

 

[KingsGambit_v1legacy]

"Personally, I have always thought Wii was in a generation of its own," he told Eurogamer ."I always thought PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 are in the same generation, but Wii was not the same."

"To me, the industry was growing really fast when those three platforms came up because the focus is so different. The PS3 and the 360 were the closest in terms of high definition and networked services. But Wii carved out a large niche to itself. To me, it was like two generations going at the same time."

"Wii U is the next generation of Wii," he added. "That I understand. To me, it's its own generation."

You're so wrong dude. Sony is losing and has lost millions because of how wrong you are. Selling a console above £200 is already half the battle lost. To deny that a direct competitor is your competition, try badly to copy them and be so far behind them when they beat you to the next generation is the other half. I'm not a Nintendo fan, but they owned the last gen and they will again the next gen. If you want to stand a chance of competing get powerful new hardware out NOW and don't price it above the cost of a computer.