Sooo.... What is it about Metroid Other M?

[Internet Kraken]

I think it would be unwise to ignore moviebob's opinion on the subject.
http://gameoverthinker.blogspot.com/2010/09/episode-40-heavens-to-metroid.html

i think he makes some points here in defense of the game worth responding to.

Actually, it would be very wise to ignore Movie Bob's opinion on the subject since has has proven himself time and time again to be an idiotic Nintendo fanboy. He may be better at articulating his thoughts than your average fanboy but he is just as dumb as they come when it comes to being irrational.

Metroid: Other M was a piece of crap. Even if you don't think it ruined Samus's character, that wouldn't change that the writing and voice acting is still awful so the story is shit anyways. The only reason Movie Bob thinks it's so great is becuase it's not an FPS like the Prime trilogy, which he dismisses as inferior simply becuase he seems to hate all FPS games. The fact that he considers it a bold move to switch Metroid back to it's original side-scroller format is a testament to this. He acts like Retro was just dumbing down the franchise when they made it into an FPS for more appeal, when in fact they were taking a big risk. Nobody thought the Prime trilogy was going to work prior to its release.

If you saw your parents murdered in front of your eyes as a child, you would most likely crumble to pieces upon meeting the person who did it.
Emotionally, she's a wreck, and has alot of problems. It makes soooo much more sense than the previous games do.

The problem with this is that she already had her emotional breakdown at the sight of Ridley in some Metroid manga that is a prologue to the series. Sakamoto has stated that this manga is canon, so Samus has already confronted Ridley. Prior to Other M she at the very least fought him twice, four times if you count the Prime series (and you really should but Sakamoto is an idiot and said they're noncanon). So the magnitude of her mental collapse in Other M makes no sense and just comes off as pathetic and stupid.

 

[Sutter Cane]

I think it would be unwise to ignore moviebob's opinion on the subject.
http://gameoverthinker.blogspot.com/2010/09/episode-40-heavens-to-metroid.html

i think he makes some points here in defense of the game worth responding to.

Actually, it would be very wise to ignore Movie Bob's opinion on the subject since has has proven himself time and time again to be an idiotic Nintendo fanboy. He may be better at articulating his thoughts than your average fanboy but he is just as dumb as they come when to comes to being irrational.

Metroid: Other M was a piece of crap. Even if you don't think it ruined Samus's character, that wouldn't change that the writing and voice acting is still awful so the story is shit anyways. The only reason Movie Bob thinks it's so great is becuase it's not an FPS like the Prime trilogy, which he dismisses as inferior simply becuase he seems to hate all FPS games. The fact that he considers it a bold move to switch Metroid back to it's original side-scroller format is a testament to this. He acts like Retro was just dumbing down the franchise when they made it into an FPS for more appeal.

That's ad hominem. that's a logical fallacy. You Get Nothing, You LOSE Good Day Sir!

Also if you pay attention he doesn't hate the prime series he just doesn't care for FPS, and thus is happy the series moved away from this. he even introduces his opnion on the switch being a good thing as being on a much more personal note. You also fail to actually argue against any of his points. You're not going to convince anyone that way

EDIT you edited your post, so i'll edit mine as well

If you saw your parents murdered in front of your eyes as a child, you would most likely crumble to pieces upon meeting the person who did it.
Emotionally, she's a wreck, and has alot of problems. It makes soooo much more sense than the previous games do.

The problem with this is that she already had her emotional breakdown at the sight of Ridley in some Metroid manga that is a prologue to the series. Sakamoto has stated that this manga is canon, so Samus has already confronted Ridley. Prior to Other M she at the very least fought him twice, four times if you count the Prime series (and you really should but Sakamoto is an idiot and said they're noncanon). So the magnitude of her mental collapse in Other M makes no sense and just comes off as pathetic and stupid.

So if that manga where she breaks down is canon, that means that she has had at least some history of reacting this way in universe, so it is partially justified. Also as you said citing prime is no good if the creator says they're non-canon. also calling the creator stupid just because you don't like the direction he took the series in shows strong indications of you being butthurt. methinks U mad.

 

[Internet Kraken]

That's ad hominem. that's a logical fallacy. You Get Nothing, You LOSE Good Day Sir!

Also if you pay attention he doesn't hate the prime series he just doesn't care for FPS, and thus is happy the series moved away from this. he even introduces his opnion on the switch being a good thing as being on a much more personal note. You also fail to actually argue against any of his points. You're not going to convince anyone that way

Why would I argue against the points of a biased fanboy? I've watched that video before, and I'm not going to watch it again. It's one the things that made me lose all respect for him. His points are idiotic and he's being willfully ignorant, attempting to downplay the glaring flaws in the game's plot just becuase he likes the gameplay so much. If he wants to like the gameplay that's fine, but his inability to admit that the story was terrible pretty much proves how much of a fanboy he is.

That link several people have posted in this thread already sums up all the problems with the plot, and everything Movie Bob says fails to counteract the points it raised. Basically, Movie Bob is a fanboy that only defends this game because it's not an FPS and he gushes over classic side-scrolling gameplay.

So if that manga where she breaks down is canon, that means that she has had at least some history of reacting this way in universe, so it is partially justified. Also as you said citing prime is no good if the creator says they're non-canon. also calling the creator stupid just because you don't like the direction he took the series in shows strong indications of you being butthurt. methinks U mad.

Oh, I guess I should have mentioned in that same manga after freaking out she conquers her mental trauma and fights back against Ridley with hardened resolve. She does experience a mental break down, but she gets over it. Hence why when she faces Ridley again later in the series, she doesn't have to panic for 10 minutes before fighting. At least until Other M.

Also calling the creator an idiot becuase he writes terrible dialogue and refuses to acknowledge the positive things in the Prime trilogy becuase he didn't make them seems perfectly fair to me. That article about Other M suggested that he might be sexist and did this all on purpose, but I doubt that. To me Sakamoto just seems like a terrible, terrible writer. Just becuase he was one of the original founders of the series back when it was just sprites with no character doesn't mean he knows what the best direction for it is now. When Other M was announced I wasn't interested in it, but I didn't consider it to be a bad thing until I found out just how awful the story was.

 

[Sutter Cane]

That's ad hominem. that's a logical fallacy. You Get Nothing, You LOSE Good Day Sir!

Also if you pay attention he doesn't hate the prime series he just doesn't care for FPS, and thus is happy the series moved away from this. he even introduces his opnion on the switch being a good thing as being on a much more personal note. You also fail to actually argue against any of his points. You're not going to convince anyone that way

Why would I argue against the points of a biased fanboy? I've watched that video before, and I'm not going to watch it again. It's one the things that made me lose all respect for him. His points are idiotic and he's being willfully ignorant, attempting to downplay the glaring flaws in the game's plot just becuase he likes the gameplay so much. If he wants to like the gameplay that's fine, but his inability to admit that the story was terrible pretty much proves how much of a fanboy he is.

That link several people have posted in this thread already sums up all the problems with the plot, and everything Movie Bob says fails to counteract the points it raised. Basically, Movie Bob is a fanboy that only defends this game because it's not an FPS and he gushes over classic side-scrolling gameplay.

So if that manga where she breaks down is canon, that means that she has had at least some history of reacting this way in universe, so it is partially justified. Also as you said citing prime is no good if the creator says they're non-canon. also calling the creator stupid just because you don't like the direction he took the series in shows strong indications of you being butthurt. methinks U mad.

Oh, I guess I should have mentioned in that same manga after freaking out she conquers her mental trauma and fights back against Ridley with hardened resolve. She does experience a mental break down, but she gets over it. Hence why when she faces Ridley again later in the series, she doesn't have to panic for 10 minutes before fighting. At least until Other M.

Also calling the creator an idiot becuase he writes terrible dialogue and refuses to acknowledge the positive things in the Prime trilogy becuase he didn't make them seems perfectly fair to me. That article about Other M suggested that he might be sexist and did this all on purpose, but I doubt that. To me Sakamoto just seems like a terrible, terrible writer. Just becuase he was one of the original founders of the series back when it was just sprites with no character doesn't mean he knows what the best direction for it is now. When Other M was announced I wasn't interested in it, but I didn't consider it to be a bad thing until I found out just how awful the story was.

So you're fully admitting that you are refusing to give the opposing argument any chance at all. Hey you might get lucky, fox news might be hiring. So here you are sitting here complaining about the characterization of a character that moviebob points out that we really didn't know that much about concretely, in a game that you yourself just admitted that you weren't interested in. Although i have to admit that you have a bit of a point with the manga thing though, but that's all i',m giving you. Also I want a source more reputable than a blog before i believe anything about sexism accusations.

 

[Internet Kraken]

So you're fully admitting that you are refusing to give the opposing argument any chance at all.

I already told you that I had watched his video before, and I found none of the points he raised to be convincing at all. Keep in mind that I approached this game from a neutral standpoint. I had no reason to trust that blog over Movie Bob due to my own biases. The reason I find it to be the superior argument is becuase it's a scene by scene annazlyse of the game, highlighting the flaws and porving just how bad it is. Movie Bob just seems to sputter around gushing over the side-scrolling game play and saying that everyone is overreacting.

Hey you might get lucky, fox news might be hiring

One of the reasons I didn't want to watch his video again was becuase he tends to be a prick that insults people when they disagree with him. Sound familiar?

So here you are sitting here complaining about the characterization of a character that moviebob points out that we really didn't know that much about concretely, in a game that you yourself just admitted that you weren't interested in.

Okay you seem to have entirely missed what I said. If you go back and look at my first post you'll notice that one of my main problems with the game is that the dialogue and voice acting was shit. Regardless of how they characterized Samus the game would have been ruined by the terrible writing. So even if you don't think that characterizing Samus in this way was wrong, it doesn't change the fact that the plot is still riddled with holes and poorly constructed. So either way it sucks.

Although i have to admit that you have a bit of a point with the manga thing though, but that's all i',m giving you. Also I want a source more reputable than a blog before i believe anything about sexism accusations.

How is Movie Bob any more reputable than that source? Reagrdless, that blog post is a scene by scene deconstruction of the game. It is a perfectly valid source and one that clearly had a lot of time and effort invested into it, hence why it's such a popular argument against the game. Like I said earlier I don't agree with the sexism accusations, since I think Sakamoto is so bad at writing he couldn't possibly have worked such subtle details into the plot.

But even if the game isn't sexist, the story is still shit. A lot of people who defend this game seem to think that people only hate the story because it could be interpreted as sexist. But when you get right down to it's just a bad plot overall, filled with terrible characters, poor writing, a painfully heavy emphasis on cutscenes, and voice acting on par with Deadly Premonition. It's just bad.

 

[Sutter Cane]

So you're fully admitting that you are refusing to give the opposing argument any chance at all.

I already told you that I had watched his video before, and I found none of the points he raised to be convincing at all. Keep in mind that I approached this game from a neutral standpoint. I had no reason to trust that blog over Movie Bob due to my own biases. The reason I find it to be the superior argument is becuase it's a scene by scene annazlyse of the game, highlighting the flaws and porving just how bad it is. Movie Bob just seems to sputter around gushing over the side-scrolling game play and saying that everyone is overreacting.

Hey you might get lucky, fox news might be hiring

One of the reasons I didn't want to watch his video again was becuase he tends to be a prick that insults people when they disagree with him. Sound familiar?

So here you are sitting here complaining about the characterization of a character that moviebob points out that we really didn't know that much about concretely, in a game that you yourself just admitted that you weren't interested in.

Okay you seem to have entirely missed what I said. If you go back and look at my first post you'll notice that one of my main problems with the game is that the dialogue and voice acting was shit. Regardless of how they characterized Samus the game would have been ruined by the terrible writing. So even if you don't think that characterizing Samus in this way was wrong, it doesn't change the fact that the plot is still riddled with holes and poorly constructed. So either way it sucks.

Although i have to admit that you have a bit of a point with the manga thing though, but that's all i',m giving you. Also I want a source more reputable than a blog before i believe anything about sexism accusations.

How is Movie Bob any more reputable than that source? Reagrdless, that blog post is a scene by scene deconstruction of the game. It is a perfectly valid source and one that clearly had a lot of time and effort invested into it, hence why it's such a popular argument against the game. Like I said earlier I don't agree with the sexism accusations, since I think Sakamoto is so bad at writing he couldn't possibly have worked such subtle details into the plot.

But even if the game isn't sexist, the story is still shit. A lot of people who defend this game seem to think that people only hate the story because it could be interpreted as sexist. But when you get right down to it's just a bad plot overall, filled with terrible characters, poor writing, a painfully heavy emphasis on cutscenes, and voice acting on par with Deadly Premonition. It's just bad.

See i'm calling you out on your refusal to address the points bob brings up, not your opinion when it comes to the fox news comment, and all my comments/refutations are related to complaints about the characterization not necessarily the writing quality. Also bob provides simply opinion, when you are accusing somneone of intentionally charachterising Samus that way because he's sexist, you need a better source. There's a big jump between "This could come off as a bit sexist" and "This is intentionally sexist". You don't need nearly much evidence for the first as the 2nd, and going back to look at the 2nd post you made to me, that's what you seem to be saying. Also you're in no position to be calling someone on insulting someone with a different opinion of them, as you insulted Sakamoto for not wanting to consider the prime series canon.

 

[Avatar Roku]

From the way people complain, its because Samus now has a personality and is more interesting than "standard bounty hunter who's only unique because she's a woman". Hell, the amount of times she's shown any sort of humanity you could count on one hand. The most notable of which is when she saved the baby metroid.

But I doubt the hate is because she now has a personality. The issue I have with it is because Nintendo completely dropped the ball on introducing us and presenting her personality. Instead of making her look like a deep human with inner demons, desires, thoughts, dreams, ect. they make her look like a whiny high-school chick.

I just think people are angry at how her personality was presented, and are complaining about the wrong thing.

I agree with you, but here's one thing: she had a personality before. People tend to say she didn't because she didn't talk (even though she did in Fusion, but we can ignore that for now), but there are ways to characterize people other than through dialogue. I'm talking about indirect characterization through the environment and their situation. Some (*coughmoviebobcough)call that projection, and I agree, but it's the sort of projection where the devs guide it, make you project what they want you to. I don't think it's a coincidence that, before Other M, if you asked any fan what Samus' primary character trait was, 99 times out of 100, they would say it was her independence.

In my opinion, Other M shat on that. Many other people talked about why in this thread, so I'll be brief, but seriously. She becomes the sidekick of her own story.

 

[Internet Kraken]

See i'm calling you out on your refusal to address the points bob brings up, not your opinion when it comes to the fox news comment, and all my comments/refutations are related to complaints about the characterization not necessarily the writing quality.

Okay, I've said this several times already but I guess I'll say it again; I've watched the video before. I heard what he said, and I found it to be nothing but a fanboy rant. I'm not going to bother rewatching it address specific points because I don't think it's necessary as I found all of his arguments to be bad. If you think he raises some point that is so great and I apparently forgot about it, then restate it here.

Also bob provides simply opinion, when you are accusing somneone of intentionally charachterising Samus that way because he's sexist, you need a better source. There's a big jump between "This could come off as a bit sexist" and "This is intentionally sexist". You don't need nearly much evidence for the first as the 2nd, and going back to look at the 2nd post you made to me, that's what you seem to be saying.

How many times do I have to say this for you to get it? I never said Other M was sexist. It can be interpreted as being sexist, quite easily in fact, but I don't believe it was intentionally made that way. I think it is a shitty story becuase it is poorly written, badly acted, and told in a terrible way. And even though that blog post suggests the possibility that the game was sexist, it also points out all of the holes in the plot and shows just how big of a mess it is. I don't know how to make this any more clear. If you want to argue about whether or not Other M is truly sexist go debate with someone else in this thread who is saying that, becuase I'm saying the story is just shit.

as you insulted Sakamoto for not wanting to consider the prime series canon.

There's a big difference between insulting someone who created a game that is considered a blunder by the majority of the internet and constantly berating someone you're debating with just for holding a different opinion.

]Shhh, shhh, easy Kraken. Don't take the bait.

If you're trying to suggest he's trolling, I kind of doubt that. People throw around the trolling accusation to much around here. I give him more credit than that.

 

[Avatar Roku]

See i'm calling you out on your refusal to address the points bob brings up, not your opinion when it comes to the fox news comment, and all my comments/refutations are related to complaints about the characterization not necessarily the writing quality.

Okay, I've said this several times already but I guess I'll say it again; I've watched the video before. I heard what he said, and I found it to be nothing but a fanboy rant. I'm not going to bother rewatching it address specific points because I don't think it's necessary as I found all of his arguments to be bad. If you think he raises some point that is so great and I apparently forgot about it, then restate it here.

Also bob provides simply opinion, when you are accusing somneone of intentionally charachterising Samus that way because he's sexist, you need a better source. There's a big jump between "This could come off as a bit sexist" and "This is intentionally sexist". You don't need nearly much evidence for the first as the 2nd, and going back to look at the 2nd post you made to me, that's what you seem to be saying.

How many times do I have to say this for you to get it? I never said Other M was sexist. It can be interpreted as being sexist, quite easily in fact, but I don't believe it was intentionally made that way. I think it is a shitty story becuase it is poorly written, badly acted, and told in a terrible way. And even though that blog post suggests the possibility that the game was sexist, it also points out all of the holes in the plot and shows just how big of a mess it is. I don't know how to make this any more clear. If you want to argue about whether or not Other M is truly sexist go debate with someone else in this thread who is saying that, becuase I'm saying the story is just shit.

as you insulted Sakamoto for not wanting to consider the prime series canon.

There's a big difference between insulting someone who created a game that is considered a blunder by the majority of the internet and constantly berating someone you're debating with just for holding a different opinion.

Shhh, shhh, easy Kraken. Don't take the bait.

 

[godfist88]

the game play actually isn't that bad. but the story... well lets just say it tries to hard to hard to be emotional and edgy. they made Samus way too winey, "ooh look at me, i have daddy issues and i'm projecting them on my commanding officer". I think i liked it better when she didn't talk. plus the whole idea of having all your kickass weapons at the start, but not being able to use them until your told to, is just dumb. whats the point of going through the tutorial for those weapons if they're just gonna take them from you?

overall the game had the potential to be great, but the execution just fell short of it.

 

[ksn0va]

http://moonbase.rydia.net/mental/blog/gaming/metroid-other-m-the-elephant/article.html

This will more or less explain it all for you. Have fun!

Good God! I just read that and wow... I never played Other M but I did play a couple of the older games. I get why people hate Other M now.

 

[Avatar Roku]

the game play actually isn't that bad. but the story... well lets just say it tries to hard to hard to be emotional and edgy. they made Samus way too winey, "ooh look at me, i have daddy issues and i'm projecting them on my commanding officer". I think i liked it better when she didn't talk. plus the whole idea of having all your kickass weapons at the start, but not being able to use them until your told to, is just dumb. whats the point of going through the tutorial for those weapons if they're just gonna take them from you?

overall the game had the potential to be great, but the execution just fell short of it.

Sums it up pretty well. I think that the whole "has weapons, but doesn't use them until necessary" thing CAN work (looks at Arkham Asylum), but they just did not do it well at all in Other M. Execution definitely was the problem, there are very few things in the game that I outright think were unworkable from the beginning.

 

[Sutter Cane]

See i'm calling you out on your refusal to address the points bob brings up, not your opinion when it comes to the fox news comment, and all my comments/refutations are related to complaints about the characterization not necessarily the writing quality.

Okay, I've said this several times already but I guess I'll say it again; I've watched the video before. I heard what he said, and I found it to be nothing but a fanboy rant. I'm not going to bother rewatching it address specific points because I don't think it's necessary as I found all of his arguments to be bad. If you think he raises some point that is so great and I apparently forgot about it, then restate it here.

Also bob provides simply opinion, when you are accusing somneone of intentionally charachterising Samus that way because he's sexist, you need a better source. There's a big jump between "This could come off as a bit sexist" and "This is intentionally sexist". You don't need nearly much evidence for the first as the 2nd, and going back to look at the 2nd post you made to me, that's what you seem to be saying.

How many times do I have to say this for you to get it? I never said Other M was sexist. It can be interpreted as being sexist, quite easily in fact, but I don't believe it was intentionally made that way. I think it is a shitty story becuase it is poorly written, badly acted, and told in a terrible way. And even though that blog post suggests the possibility that the game was sexist, it also points out all of the holes in the plot and shows just how big of a mess it is. I don't know how to make this any more clear. If you want to argue about whether or not Other M is truly sexist go debate with someone else in this thread who is saying that, becuase I'm saying the story is just shit.

as you insulted Sakamoto for not wanting to consider the prime series canon.

There's a big difference between insulting someone who created a game that is considered a blunder by the majority of the internet and constantly berating someone you're debating with just for holding a different opinion.

]Shhh, shhh, easy Kraken. Don't take the bait.

If you're trying to suggest he's trolling, I kind of doubt that. People throw around the trolling accusation to much around here. I give him more credit than that.

Sorry. I didn't read carefully enough. I apololgise. When someone posts something along the lines of "This person is a fanboy so just ignore everything he says" it kind of gets me pissed off. Also calling one of the lead creative forces behind the metroid series an idiot because he doesn't like prime, it doesn't endear me to someone very well. i jumped to conclusions. I apologize.

 

[Avatar Roku]

See i'm calling you out on your refusal to address the points bob brings up, not your opinion when it comes to the fox news comment, and all my comments/refutations are related to complaints about the characterization not necessarily the writing quality.

Okay, I've said this several times already but I guess I'll say it again; I've watched the video before. I heard what he said, and I found it to be nothing but a fanboy rant. I'm not going to bother rewatching it address specific points because I don't think it's necessary as I found all of his arguments to be bad. If you think he raises some point that is so great and I apparently forgot about it, then restate it here.

Also bob provides simply opinion, when you are accusing somneone of intentionally charachterising Samus that way because he's sexist, you need a better source. There's a big jump between "This could come off as a bit sexist" and "This is intentionally sexist". You don't need nearly much evidence for the first as the 2nd, and going back to look at the 2nd post you made to me, that's what you seem to be saying.

How many times do I have to say this for you to get it? I never said Other M was sexist. It can be interpreted as being sexist, quite easily in fact, but I don't believe it was intentionally made that way. I think it is a shitty story becuase it is poorly written, badly acted, and told in a terrible way. And even though that blog post suggests the possibility that the game was sexist, it also points out all of the holes in the plot and shows just how big of a mess it is. I don't know how to make this any more clear. If you want to argue about whether or not Other M is truly sexist go debate with someone else in this thread who is saying that, becuase I'm saying the story is just shit.

as you insulted Sakamoto for not wanting to consider the prime series canon.

There's a big difference between insulting someone who created a game that is considered a blunder by the majority of the internet and constantly berating someone you're debating with just for holding a different opinion.

]Shhh, shhh, easy Kraken. Don't take the bait.

If you're trying to suggest he's trolling, I kind of doubt that. People throw around the trolling accusation to much around here. I give him more credit than that.

Sorry. I didn't read carefully enough. I apololgise. When someone posts something along the lines of "This person is a fanboy so just ignore everything he says" it kind of gets me pissed off. Also calling one of the lead creative forces behind the metroid series an idiot because he doesn't like prime, it doesn't endear me to someone very well. i jumped to conclusions. I apologize.

I'm sort of an outsider to this discussion, but I want to take this opportunity to apologize to you. If you look at my above post, I essentially called you a troll. I see now that you are not, but I would have been somewhat out of line even if you were.

 

[Soviet Heavy]

To paraphrase Batman Beyond, I present the plot of Other M.

 

[bugsbob605]

Personally, I have no problem with Other M, other than gameplay and story elements.

 

[CrazyCapnMorgan]

Personally, I have no problem with Other M, other than gameplay and story elements.

Which is effectively saying "I have no problem with Other M other than....Other M."? Or am I mistaken? Because without gameplay and story elements....what exactly IS Other M?

Aside from lazy/bad/non-sensical/poorly executed writing.

 

[Irridium]

From the way people complain, its because Samus now has a personality and is more interesting than "standard bounty hunter who's only unique because she's a woman". Hell, the amount of times she's shown any sort of humanity you could count on one hand. The most notable of which is when she saved the baby metroid.

But I doubt the hate is because she now has a personality. The issue I have with it is because Nintendo completely dropped the ball on introducing us and presenting her personality. Instead of making her look like a deep human with inner demons, desires, thoughts, dreams, ect. they make her look like a whiny high-school chick.

I just think people are angry at how her personality was presented, and are complaining about the wrong thing.

I agree with you, but here's one thing: she had a personality before. People tend to say she didn't because she didn't talk (even though she did in Fusion, but we can ignore that for now), but there are ways to characterize people other than through dialogue. I'm talking about indirect characterization through the environment and their situation. Some (*coughmoviebobcough)call that projection, and I agree, but it's the sort of projection where the devs guide it, make you project what they want you to. I don't think it's a coincidence that, before Other M, if you asked any fan what Samus' primary character trait was, 99 times out of 100, they would say it was her independence.

In my opinion, Other M shat on that. Many other people talked about why in this thread, so I'll be brief, but seriously. She becomes the sidekick of her own story.

Never really got the "independence" vibe from her to be honest. How was she independent? Because she's alone all the time? You could say that about plenty of game characters. And besides, a good character has many traits. A good character has depth. Before Other M, Samus didn't really have depth.

I think Nintendo did a smart thing in giving her an actual personality and some depth, but they just screwed up the execution and presentation so much its just ridiculous. No wonder they don't write much deep story-driven games...

 

[Kyogissun]

From the way people complain, its because Samus now has a personality and is more interesting than "standard bounty hunter who's only unique because she's a woman". Hell, the amount of times she's shown any sort of humanity you could count on one hand. The most notable of which is when she saved the baby metroid.

But I doubt the hate is because she now has a personality. The issue I have with it is because Nintendo completely dropped the ball on introducing us and presenting her personality. Instead of making her look like a deep human with inner demons, desires, thoughts, dreams, ect. they make her look like a whiny high-school chick.

I just think people are angry at how her personality was presented, and are complaining about the wrong thing.

I agree with you, but here's one thing: she had a personality before. People tend to say she didn't because she didn't talk (even though she did in Fusion, but we can ignore that for now), but there are ways to characterize people other than through dialogue. I'm talking about indirect characterization through the environment and their situation. Some (*coughmoviebobcough)call that projection, and I agree, but it's the sort of projection where the devs guide it, make you project what they want you to. I don't think it's a coincidence that, before Other M, if you asked any fan what Samus' primary character trait was, 99 times out of 100, they would say it was her independence.

In my opinion, Other M shat on that. Many other people talked about why in this thread, so I'll be brief, but seriously. She becomes the sidekick of her own story.

Never really got the "independence" vibe from her to be honest. How was she independent? Because she's alone all the time? You could say that about plenty of game characters. And besides, a good character has many traits. A good character has depth. Before Other M, Samus didn't really have depth.

I think Nintendo did a smart thing in giving her an actual personality and some depth, but they just screwed up the execution and presentation so much its just ridiculous. No wonder they don't write much deep story-driven games...

I think purely on the whole reaction to realizing that the 'AI' in Fusion was a digital recreation of Adam Malkovich's was a prime example that Samus isn't some closed off independent person.

I'm siding on the whole 'The execution was bad, but the intent was good' view of Other M. Attempting to give Samus some mental drama shit to deal with was a fucking great idea. The problem? It had an air of shitty angsty crap we've seen too many times before and not enough genuinely good moments of conflicting with said mental tributlations and genuinely 'fighting' them.

There were a few points where it implied it was trying to do that, but between the meh-diocre handling of Samus' 'depth' and the lack of an answer as to who the 'outsider' was feeling somewhat like a red herring kind of trope, it fell a bit flat.

But Other M suffered from a great deal of 'fan self entitlement' backlash from the community as a whole, so the hate is kinda unavoidable.

I enjoyed it, I thought the gameplay was a blast and showed how the future of the non-FPS metroid games could go. The right level of challenge + good platforming resulted in a short but solid game.

 

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As many people have said, the way they characterized Samus.

I don't have a problem with Samus Aran having vulnerabilities, or even fears. She should not turn into a screaming willy when she encounters her greatest enemy though. Nor should she, a bounty hunter and all around badass who supercedes the military in skill and technoligy, kowtow to an old commander who was introduced in Metroid Fusion as a good friend or even almost lover who RESPECTED her.