Nouw said:
I really hope you aren't talking about the book... From what I remember, the most "armor" they had was jump boots...
Space Marine "Rips Off" Gears of War
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I really hope you aren't talking about the book... From what I remember, the most "armor" they had was jump boots...
Thematically, Space Marine does not take anything from gears, since... well, it came first. In terms of gameplay - there's not that much similarity between the two. Space Marine has no cover system, and although it has chainsaws, they work differently than the lancer in Gears. Aside from the occasional "During-talking-the-characters-will-walk-slow" moments, I can't really think of anything that similar between the two. They play very differently - go play Gears of War 2, then play Space Marine. You'll notice the difference straight away. One involves taking sitting behind a wall a lot, and leap/rolling around the battlefield away from enemies (unless you want to chainsaw them), and the other is just shoot-shoot-stab-shoot-shoot-stab. Both are fun, but they are not the same. If you tried to play gears like space marine, you'd die even on the easiest setting. If you tried to play space marine like gears, you wouldn't get very far because you HAVE to melee kill in order to get your health back (you can use you fury thingamajig as well, but most of them you'll have to stun and kill a dude to get the health back). The universe of Warhammer 40000 and Gears are also very different - both are military themed, but one is about a bunch of genetically modified freaks running around whilst being fascist jerks to everyone and everything (the Imperium of Man are NOT the good guys, something I feel Space Marine did not do enough to get across - the Space Marines aren't actually heroes, as they are portrayed in the game, but are in fact jack-booted super soldiers who run around doing whatever they're told by their masters), and the other is about action heroes fighting for survival against seemingly impossible odds.
There's really NOT that much in common between the two aside from burly dudes and chainsaws.
There's really NOT that much in common between the two aside from burly dudes and chainsaws.
Everyone knew this would happen. I recieved a short, seperate supplement with my last copy of PC Gamer. In the interviews with the designers, GoW was mentioned a lot and I think the phrase "like GoW but..." appeared once or twice.
I guess it will be better recieved on the PC, since Gears never really took off there (the first game was released for GFWL if i recall correctly and then no more after that).
As a relic fanboy, it makes me uncomfortable to see it get less than 8 from the 360 mag.
Edit: if it makes you guys feel better, http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/09/06/space-marine-review/
I don't think gears of war is mentioned once in the whole article
I guess it will be better recieved on the PC, since Gears never really took off there (the first game was released for GFWL if i recall correctly and then no more after that).
As a relic fanboy, it makes me uncomfortable to see it get less than 8 from the 360 mag.
Edit: if it makes you guys feel better, http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/09/06/space-marine-review/
I don't think gears of war is mentioned once in the whole article
And I am in no position to disagree. I actually think that Space Marines aren't very similar to Starship Troopers because of the points I stated. I tried to read Dune but I was far too bored so I'm guessing they're similar in the sense that both are highly trained elite, zealous soldiers? Imperial Guardsmen and Starship Troopers, the only connection I would see is if it was comparing film to the Imps. Not book to Imps. In the film, they're pretty much Imps without tanks.Draech said:
Lack of an annoying cover system, a dull story, character archetypes, or two pointless sequels makes Space marine different enough from Gears for it not to be a clone. The mere fact that it's an over-the-shoulder 3rd person shooter does not mean it is a direct copy of every other over-the-shoulder 3rd person shooter.
Gears of war was not the first game ever to involve super-tough, hardcore, power-armoured soldiers, or stupid, violence-obsessed aliens, or weaponised chainsaws, or a Gothic future-world, or a cover system. None of the things which characterise the gears of War games were new or interesting in any way. In fact, you could say that neither Gears nor Space Marine did anything remotely original, thus nullifying any comments about one being a rip-off of the other, and making everyone who makes those sorts of comments sound a little bit silly.
You could say that, but why would you? HURR DURR, SPESS MERHINE IS GAERS OF WOR RIP OFF! CLIFFY B IS GOD and I will gladly waste time and energy by giving him yet more of my ill-deserved money. HERP-A-DERPY DERP DERP.
Gears of war was not the first game ever to involve super-tough, hardcore, power-armoured soldiers, or stupid, violence-obsessed aliens, or weaponised chainsaws, or a Gothic future-world, or a cover system. None of the things which characterise the gears of War games were new or interesting in any way. In fact, you could say that neither Gears nor Space Marine did anything remotely original, thus nullifying any comments about one being a rip-off of the other, and making everyone who makes those sorts of comments sound a little bit silly.
You could say that, but why would you? HURR DURR, SPESS MERHINE IS GAERS OF WOR RIP OFF! CLIFFY B IS GOD and I will gladly waste time and energy by giving him yet more of my ill-deserved money. HERP-A-DERPY DERP DERP.
Why are people getting so upset about this review, I don't think anyone compares this game to gears, and this reviewer made such a comment in passing. If you look down to how he scores the game you will notice that the argument 'It is like gears' does not factor into how he rates the game. He rates it down for legitimate reasons such as the lack of a 'wow' factor, charmless guns and he even complains more about the crappy multilayer than 'how it is like gears'.
I came into this thread expecting some dude spouting crap about how this game apes gears at ever turn and all I see is a bunch of Warhammer fanboys getting flustered over some random xbox reviewers comment that 'It uses the D-Pad for weapon change like gears'.
Don't get me wrong I hate the gears series with a passion, boring gameplay, crappy story, forgetable characters and for that reason I'm not even going to try my luck with space marine. But this thread is a joke.
I came into this thread expecting some dude spouting crap about how this game apes gears at ever turn and all I see is a bunch of Warhammer fanboys getting flustered over some random xbox reviewers comment that 'It uses the D-Pad for weapon change like gears'.
Don't get me wrong I hate the gears series with a passion, boring gameplay, crappy story, forgetable characters and for that reason I'm not even going to try my luck with space marine. But this thread is a joke.
You got me there... Its been a few years since I read it.Nouw said:
Of course, now that you see the game in action, it bears no resemblance to GoW...
If it's supposed
If it's supposed to be the anti-Gears of War, why does it ape so much of the gameplay style? It seems odd to me to take a wargame like Warhammer 40K and center it around a particular squad. But I'm not really that into WH40K OR GoW, so eh.Soviet Heavy said:
I have to say. I love Gears and have played the whole Series thus far (number 3 in 5days...) I also play tabletop Warhammer 40,000 (the Scifi version. Just like to point that out) and love my Space Marines. However I was dismayed to play Space Marine and find it so close to Gears of War, right down to the reload sounds. It was uncanny.
However as I played in through the Game (even a Gears of War rip off can still be vicerally fun) I found it extremly different in interesting ways.
1. No obvious cover system. In one day Im already up to the fight against the WarBoss and I still haven't discovered a working cover system other than stand behind something big enough to hide the Marine
2. Emphasis on Melee Combat. to Be completely honest, its more or less absent in Gears of War. Melee is only there if things go terribly wrong or you decide to just have some fun and charge. In Space Marine Melee is neccesary to survive the fights as you ONLY gain health with executions.Its even weighted that combat is really the final solution. Shooting units like the FlashGitz takes a lot of Ammo, but they are great to single out and Execute for some health.
3. Hordes of Enemies. Literally hordes of orks and bloodthirsters swarming you and the only real solution is to start swinging you axe,hammer, or chainsword and crushing as many as you can as quickly as you can.
4. It has a freaking jump pack! There is no equivelant in Gears of War.
To emphasise something said by the jimquisition, the rather blatant copy of elements from gears of war, including the weapon exchange system on the D-pad and weapon mounts able to be removed and used as a normal weapon is not "rippping of Gears of War" it is taking systems of the game that worked and worked well and adding it into your own game. There is only an finite number of buttons on a controller and there for a finite combination that can be used for something like the reload system, so it makes sense to reuse systems from other Games
However as I played in through the Game (even a Gears of War rip off can still be vicerally fun) I found it extremly different in interesting ways.
1. No obvious cover system. In one day Im already up to the fight against the WarBoss and I still haven't discovered a working cover system other than stand behind something big enough to hide the Marine
2. Emphasis on Melee Combat. to Be completely honest, its more or less absent in Gears of War. Melee is only there if things go terribly wrong or you decide to just have some fun and charge. In Space Marine Melee is neccesary to survive the fights as you ONLY gain health with executions.Its even weighted that combat is really the final solution. Shooting units like the FlashGitz takes a lot of Ammo, but they are great to single out and Execute for some health.
3. Hordes of Enemies. Literally hordes of orks and bloodthirsters swarming you and the only real solution is to start swinging you axe,hammer, or chainsword and crushing as many as you can as quickly as you can.
4. It has a freaking jump pack! There is no equivelant in Gears of War.
To emphasise something said by the jimquisition, the rather blatant copy of elements from gears of war, including the weapon exchange system on the D-pad and weapon mounts able to be removed and used as a normal weapon is not "rippping of Gears of War" it is taking systems of the game that worked and worked well and adding it into your own game. There is only an finite number of buttons on a controller and there for a finite combination that can be used for something like the reload system, so it makes sense to reuse systems from other Games
I don't. His job is to review the game in its entirety. This includes the controls. If they don't feel right to him, he has every right to include this in his review.Soviet Heavy said:
I've played a lil gears of war for the pc...and I demoed the space marines game..
If its a rip off, they didn't rip much, Unless you think of it as a mini low budget version o.1
The only obvious rip is there space suits,witch clearly came from the tin man from the original wizard of oz...lol
If its a rip off, they didn't rip much, Unless you think of it as a mini low budget version o.1
The only obvious rip is there space suits,witch clearly came from the tin man from the original wizard of oz...lol
what is so gears about space marine? its a hack'n'slash with guns while gears is a coverbased shooter.
Space Marines, as a concept from Games Workshop did indeed come first. What people making this very argument tend to forget is that Gears of War gave us "Giant towering men with giant guns" in the form of a video game far, far sooner.The_Great_Milenko said:
Sure, space marines had been in video games before. You could command them in games by Relic and still others (that were more faithful) long ago. And at least once (that I can recall) you even got to shoot at them as some Tau peon last generation. But, before now (at least to my knowledge), you have not gotten to play as a Space Marine in an action game.
Thus, while the concept might have been stolen by Gears, accusations of stealing basic gameplay mechanics are perfectly valid. If you overlook the simple fact that Space Marine trades the cover mechanic for something (at least on the surface), you'll find (at least I did) that the game feels remarkably similar.
The average "trooper" in Starship Troopers was in a mobile suit that was heavily armored enough to shrug off all but dedicated anti-armor weapons, absurdly mobile (they could perform what could effectively be called flight if memory serves) and had enough firepower that a single soldier could level a city with ease.Draech said:
Warhammer 40k came before:
Halo
Gears of War
Starcraft
Keep inserting topics where Men in Power Armor fight Aliens in Space
1987 - X
Also...I dont play Warhammer but Ive read around on the http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Warhammer_40k_Wiki
and its pretty badass and Im glad Space Marine came out...since Im not good at RTS games
Halo
Gears of War
Starcraft
Keep inserting topics where Men in Power Armor fight Aliens in Space
1987 - X
Also...I dont play Warhammer but Ive read around on the http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Warhammer_40k_Wiki
and its pretty badass and Im glad Space Marine came out...since Im not good at RTS games
