Space Marine women?
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The problem is actually down to the biology, rather than the gender.
Male structure and physiology is built on withstanding impact and has a few mutations from the original female specifically to cope with that.
However, given that female bodies are (generally) lighter, more resistant to biochemical reaction, more able to multi-task etc. there would ALSO be female Space Marines, but used for Psykers/Ghosts etc.
Thing is though, given they are likely to be grown/engineered, they're likely to be close to the genders we recognise. Body hair, for example, is a detriment to Marine efficiency, so, at the genetic level, snip!
Frontline troops are expendable males. As is in most animals.
Male structure and physiology is built on withstanding impact and has a few mutations from the original female specifically to cope with that.
However, given that female bodies are (generally) lighter, more resistant to biochemical reaction, more able to multi-task etc. there would ALSO be female Space Marines, but used for Psykers/Ghosts etc.
Thing is though, given they are likely to be grown/engineered, they're likely to be close to the genders we recognise. Body hair, for example, is a detriment to Marine efficiency, so, at the genetic level, snip!
Frontline troops are expendable males. As is in most animals.
Meh. It'd be like it is with dwarves. They would be there, you just wouldn't be able to pick them out 
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Spare time? Hmm...Training and talking about how awesome the Emperor is, I would guess.
.Spare time? Hmm...Training and talking about how awesome the Emperor is, I would guess.
That's about right.LewsTherin said:
http://esrspy.wanderer.org/projects/alien_emotions/sm_daily
(This used to be on the official site in another form, not sure if it is now)
Apparently they receive around 15 minutes of "leisure time", "to consider the magnitude of their duty to the Emperor", daily.
That is quite definitel
Neosage: Warhammer 40k has to be one of the most unsexualized IPs out there. Anything that the Dark Eldar or Slaaneshi cults do is totally in-character, and not done just to sell stuff.
Besides, Dark Eldar and Slaaneshi sexuality tend to involve lots of pain and agony on their 'target audience.'
That is definitely something that they would do (or most likely, have done to them.)Cogito said:
Neosage: Warhammer 40k has to be one of the most unsexualized IPs out there. Anything that the Dark Eldar or Slaaneshi cults do is totally in-character, and not done just to sell stuff.
Besides, Dark Eldar and Slaaneshi sexuality tend to involve lots of pain and agony on their 'target audience.'
But they can't. Further pursuance of this topic will invite the interest of the inquisition.Neosage said:
It is now. I mean Daemonettes wear clothes these days. What's that all about, eh?
No, it's based on misogyny. As is the reasons behind why there are only male space marines. It's supported and defended by the lore, but that lore only exists because Games Workshop thought female space marines weren't as badass.sheic99 said:
You can come up with any other reasons you want, but that one's the one that's right.
And whoever complained about that females couldn't be snipers, go read some books on human physique, and if you still aren't convinced even after your misogynystic perceptions are thrown out of the way, go check some statistics from World War 2 or something. There's several lists of the efficiency of snipers, and among the snipers with the highest kill counts during the war, there are several females, especially among the russians.
The reasons brought up by people saying that females couldn't be space marines are aslo pretty stupid. Breasts wouldn't get in the way, at all. Even a woman from today with big breasts can wear most types of armour. It's lumps of fat, after all, they can change shape. If a woman can wear a breastplate, made for a man, a genetically engineered woman, trained from birth can very easily wear a suit of power armour.
And whoever said females would cut off their breasts to be able to fire bows? Yeah, that's not going to happen. First off, there's no proof that amazons (to which that practice is attributed) has ever existed. Secondly, if they did, and thought in battle they would be trained for it, and not have too much to eat, this would mean they wouldn't have big enough breasts to get in the way. Thirdly, the only way a females breats could get enough in the way of firing a bow to warrant cutting them off is if said woman was slightly overweight, from today (since our evolution has changed us) and not very well-trained at all AND thought naked. A simple piece of cloth could easily keep even the biggest (natural, with silicon and stuff you can probably make it impossible) breasts away from the string. Fighting naked with larger breasts than any normal people had at the time would also be pretty stupid for a lot of other reasons.
In short, no, it didn't happen. At least not for that reason. Old cultures may have cut off their boobs, but not because they got in the way of firing bows. And to get them in the way of firing a gun, you'd have to be from an anime.
The topic though, is pretty interesting, despite all the misogynystic comments, and if the restriction to only WH40K was removed. We rarely see female Space Marines these days, we used to, in Alien, in Starship troopers, and in a few other lesser known movies. These days space marines and power armours are more popular than ever, and the only females we see wearing them are in Fallout, and that's because they did so even in the first game.
Personally I think both we as a society should have moved forward enough that portraying the genders like that would be wrong. Personally I think that should be even more evident a few hundred or thousand years into the future, where these games usually take place, but since few of these games really care about what makes sense, and only about what's badass and awesome and cool, and what would make the 14-year old players cum in their pants just thinking about the game, I don't think we'll see any interesting portrayals of Space Marines, at least in another 5 years.
Here, I'll spell space marine "t-e-s-t-o-s-t-e-r-o-n-e f-r-e-a-k" in 40k that's kindof what they are all about, is violently ripping the heads off of heretics and orks...most teenage boys would probably shit themselves if a female marine ripped the head off of their troops on paper or on a PC...It's just the way the world is, kindof the way there are no male nurses...oops. Kids just don't think women are as badass, I myself have been to karate and trust me...women WILL kick your ass.
Female Space Marines exist as Sisters of Battle in the 40K universe. Not only that, but I seem to recall that Salamander Chapter fluff says that they have not only females but families. I'm thinking the same goes for the Space Pooches, but I may be wrong there.
All I am doing is stating facts. The US does not allow women into infantry or subs. Many countries do. America sends out troops for longer patrols than other countries also. I believe the average American submarine goes out for approximately 3 months. Due to confinement issues there is one bathroom and one set of extremely tight quarters(excluding officer's). The Army just prefers to keep it single sex. This has little to do with the topic on hand, I just figured the game studio who designed the WH40k looked at current military practice and based the future off of that. As a side note, the US Army also does not allow 1 man and 1 woman to walk together by themselves, hold hands or kiss in uniform.Silver said:
I'm sorry, but I don't believe for a second that Games Workshop didn't include women into the Adeptus Astartes due to misogyny. If anything, it was practicality - at the time, they were casting in pewter - having female models would mean having to make entirely new molds.
Once they were profitable, of course, they had no qualms about making an entire army out of females.
I do agree though that some of the comments have been misogynistic. And I also agree that it was very refreshing to see some females wearing Power Armor in Fallout 3.
There is a lot of lore to Warhammer 40k which explains why even though humanity is so advanced, they're still backwards in a lot of things. If anything, Warhammer 40k is the best sci-fi fiction when it comes to things 'making sense.'
Once they were profitable, of course, they had no qualms about making an entire army out of females.
I do agree though that some of the comments have been misogynistic. And I also agree that it was very refreshing to see some females wearing Power Armor in Fallout 3.
There is a lot of lore to Warhammer 40k which explains why even though humanity is so advanced, they're still backwards in a lot of things. If anything, Warhammer 40k is the best sci-fi fiction when it comes to things 'making sense.'
At least they retained their claws and pincers and such. Those really get the boys going.GloatingSwine said:
Sheic, I wasn't questioning the facts. I'm very much ready to believe the United states would have ridiculously stupid, outdated misogynystic rules for their military.
I'm questioning if society ( ofthe rest of the world) hasn't evolved past that point, and if not now, then far away in the future when we have power armours and go around killing alien scum.
I'm questioning if society ( ofthe rest of the world) hasn't evolved past that point, and if not now, then far away in the future when we have power armours and go around killing alien scum.
While the lack of women Space Marines is undoubtedly based on misogyny, now that it's entered the lore it honestly should stay that way. This is the Imperium of Man. Progress, scientific or social, is tantamount to heresy.Silver said:
However, there are three things worth noting. All Eldar wear female armor, male or otherwise. The Sisters of Battle are nigh incorruptible, compared to the SPESS MAHREENS who seem to have an issue with not getting corrupted regularly, and there is actually ONE female space marine. However, she's a chaos space marine. Some woman put on a chaos space marine's armor and I think she's a Chaos Lord. At least, there is one female chaos spess mahreen if I remember my lore correctly.