Space Marine women?

[Ultrajoe]

Given that the Space Marines are as much 'Men' as a skateboard is a car, does it matter?

To turn someone into a space marine as we know them, you'd need to alter their physiology so much they'd end up looking and sounding like the power-armored blokes we have already. Besides, it screws with the Canon and the Gene seed is made for Males. Sisters of Battle are already too cool to crap all over their canon with female marines.

 

[NordicNinja]

And you still think it's 'undoubtedly based' on misogyny, over something like practicality?

 

[Silver]

And you still think it's 'undoubtedly based' on misogyny, over something like practicality?

Yes, completely.

 

[hellthins]

And you still think it's 'undoubtedly based' on misogyny, over something like practicality?

You mean the game where the monogender race is still incredibly incredibly buff and manlike instead of what a real monogender race would probably look like, rather androgynous? The game that's primarily about a bunch of guys in armor shooting at each other, who are only guys for some contrived soft science excuse? That the only characters represented as having females that fight are the Eldar? A game that didn't have a mono-female army to match the multiple mono-male armies until 1997?

That game couldn't possibly be misogynistic or ignoring a female playerbase at all!

 

[The Wooster]

Ok. Seriously guys. This is starting to make us look bad.

"No girls in our secret club! The rules say so! You can't change the rules!"
"No girls in our secret club! Girls aren't as good as secret club stuff as dudes"
"No girls in our secret club! Girls are icky"
"Why won't any girls join our secret club?"

1. Arguing that we should have female space marines, particularly if you're a dude. Is fairly cretinous.

Behold! Sandra.

Check out the tits on her! Pst, she's the one at the back. You can totally tell from the way she walks.

2. Arguing that we shouldn't have female space marines in a game that is designed to encourage creativity and enginuity because, and I paraphrase here, "Games workshop sed so", is equally cretinous.

 

[ElArabDeMagnifico]

I thought Sisters of Battle are just the "female equivelant" (and weaker) - I know they are not actually space marines but hey, that and the witch hunters are as close as it'll get.

They dance to caramelldansen and everything.

 

[stompy]

And again, if Space Marines could be female, they would be exactly the same.

Thank you. A lot of people seem to forget that most armour is mass-produced... why change the armour's shape, just because the wearer is female? It's an unnecessary cost.

 

[hellthins]

And again, if Space Marines could be female, they would be exactly the same.

Thank you. A lot of people seem to forget that most armour is mass-produced... why change the armour's shape, just because the wearer is female? It's an unnecessary cost.

Actually, there aren't nearly enough space marines out there to justify mass producing it, if I recall correctly, and most space marines have very orante and very individualized armor. They're all saints, their stuff gets a lot more attention when it's being crafted than a guardsman's cardboard and flash light.

 

[Phyroxis]

Well... that was nice?


I think Space Marines are great and all... but that video was just a few frames bouncing back and forth...

I... im lost for words.

 

[stompy]

Actually, there aren't nearly enough space marines out there to justify mass producing it, if I recall correctly, and most space marines have very orante and very individualized armor. They're all saints, their stuff gets a lot more attention when it's being crafted than a guardsman's cardboard and flash light.

Ah, sorry for that. I was referring to space marines other than just the Space Marines of Warhammer 40 000... I don't play, so I wouldn't have much to contribute.

 

[hypothetical fact]

If all space marines wear helmets then there are female space marines, they just use voice synthasisers

 

[Frostedone]

As others have pointed out, the movie Aliens, which was the pioneer or the whole space marine thing had them.

Lt. Ellen Ripley, though not technically a space marine, might as well have been. She used guns, killed a lot of aliens, and fought the Alien Queen in a giant powerloader, which is like a forklift...with arms and legs.

Pvt. Vasquez was another female space marine. She was very tough, and was one of the last people to die. She also used the strongest and biggest weapon: The Smart Gun. Basically it is a 4-5 foot long machine gun, that she carries around, and uses pretty darn well.

There another female space marine, but she died early on. She was a pilot I think.

Great movie. A must see for any Sci-fi, horror, or FPS fan. Also it has a ton of subtle feminine undertones, so women should love it too.

 

[hellthins]

As others have pointed out, the movie Aliens, which was the pioneer or the whole space marine thing had them.

Lt. Ellen Ripley, though not technically a space marine, might as well have been. She used guns, killed a lot of aliens, and fought the Alien Queen in a giant powerloader, which is like a forklift...with arms and legs.

Pvt. Vasquez was another female space marine. She was very tough, and was one of the last people to die. She also used the strongest and biggest weapon: The Smart Gun. Basically it is a 4-5 foot long machine gun, that she carries around, and uses pretty darn well.

There another female space marine, but she died early on. She was a pilot I think.

Great movie. A must see for any Sci-fi, horror, or FPS fan. Also it has a ton of subtle feminine undertones, so women should love it too.

This is not a conversation about Space Marines in vidja games, this is about Space Marines in the 40k universe, which canonically are universally male save the maybe one female chaos space marine.

 

[imperialwar]

If you follow 40K canon Sisters of Battle are the female equivelant of Space Marines.
All charted chapters of Space Marines are Male. All mechanius adeptus are male. Some servitors could be classed as female, but they arent exactly human after being made into servitors. Some Inquisitors are female. Females can be found in Imperial Guard units. Females can occur in both Eldar and Dark Eldar.

Space Marines in 40k get no time off, always going from one point to the next, usually one battlefield to the next. Very rarely their journies will take them back to their homeworld, but some marines go their enitre time without once setting foot there in 500 years. Space Marines dont really mingle umongst themselves either, usually spending their "spare time" in meditation or private training ( usually melee with servitors programmed for combat ). When not doing these things they can be found servicing their armour, repairing it, polishing it. About once a week they might sleep for 3 hours, but not usually, more usually they are lucky to sleep once a month.

Thats all i can think of for now..

 

[Kastoli]

Just to end this now since i'm getting bored of reading the poorly responses if you want to know why there are no "Space Marine" women, (Not sisters of battle, they are Witch Hunter women although the same 'human' race they are different) you should seriously think about reading up on some Warhammer history. Its all in the tabletop handbooks and things like that go and buy them, read them then you'll know.

 

[Lunar Shadow]

I play 40K and I personally don't care as I play Tau and they are androgynous as hell.

 

[Ultrajoe]

Oh, the hilarity. I think we're rather missing the point here. It's no point me touting canon impossibility, is it?

Allow me then to tell you why there shouldn't be female space marines.

Because the idea of not having them is flawed.

The 40K universe is stylized as Patriarchal, unequal and flawed. Applying equality of the sexes in the department of Power Armor isn't about girls versus boys, it rubs wrong the entire canonical flavor of the Human Empire. Warlike and brutal, flawed and dying. Patching up anything about it to meet modern standards, be it gender-based or political correctness (Nobody rallies for Tau space marines right? Why no tolerance in that department?) is wrong because ruins the basis of that universe.

It's not about defending the treehouse from girls. It's stopping people cutting down the damn tree. The 40K human empire is flawed, old and stagnant. That's the point. Apply modern standards and you lose the premise of the universe. If i'm 'immature' for defending the basis of the game, then sue me. There's a point where the line needs to be drawn. Adding our notions of justice and opportunity to a universe based on their absence is quite frankly, stupid.

Yes, it's wrong, it's boyish and a little illogical: That's the point.

More to the point: So what?

 

[hellthins]

Oh, the hilarity. I think we're rather missing the point here. It's no point me touting canon impossibility, is it?

Allow me then to tell you why there shouldn't be female space marines.

Because the idea of not having them is flawed.

The 40K universe is stylized as Patriarchal, unequal and flawed. Applying equality of the sexes in the department of Power Armor isn't about girls versus boys, it rubs wrong the entire canonical flavor of the Human Empire. Warlike and brutal, flawed and dying. Patching up anything about it to meet modern standards, be it gender-based or political correctness (Nobody rallies for Tau space marines right? Why no tolerance in that department?) is wrong because ruins the basis of that universe.

It's not about defending the treehouse from girls. It's stopping people cutting down the damn tree. The 40K human empire is flawed, old and stagnant. That's the point. Apply modern standards and you lose the premise of the universe. If i'm 'immature' for defending the basis of the game, then sue me. There's a point where the line needs to be drawn. Adding our notions of justice and opportunity to a universe based on their absence is quite frankly, stupid.

Yes, it's wrong, it's boyish and a little illogical: That's the point.

More to the point: So what?

Well, I wouldn't say they're inherently sexist in the Imperium of Man, since if I remember there isn't a law against female High Lords of Terra or Inquisitors and those two are the real people that have the power, it is in the canon and, as stupid of a scientific reason as they give, it's not like the Imperium understands science any more and they are certainly nonprogressive.

Though yeah, you can't really argue on equality given that the Imperium is not intended to be a good place. No one in 40k can be called good. The closest you get is maybe the Imperial Guardsmen, who are primarily short lived conscripts and most of them are still horribly horribly xenophobic. That's the entire point of the game, every one and every thing is screwed up. It's the worst of everything. The Tau are crazed communist dictators that mindwipe people, the Eldar screwed up, made a foul god, and aren't trying to fix the problem to redeem themselves but so that they don't get tortured. They don't care about anyone. The Necrons was to end the living for the most part, and are the result of a Faustian bargain for immortality by some very short lived creatures. The Imperium is everything wrong with religion, politics, and hell, people. The Orks are WAAAAAGH and ferocity. Chaos are demons. Nids are om-nom-nom-nom.

And hell, that's just the point of 40k, isn't it?

I mean, the freaking God of HOPE is evil.

 

[Podunk]

Tau have women.

They are good at killing space marines. : o

Most wear the XV18 or XV28 'stealth battlesuit' (Megaman and Eggman, respectively.)

So I guess that's all I really have to say about 40k females. I had just assumed women who were down with the emperor were placed into the SoB for one reason or another. With any luck after a few more decades of technological advancements my people will wipe your people off the stars while you're still building the same old guns and tanks from your little storybooks.(This is a joke. Please do not take offense.)

And as for what female 'Space Marines' would be like... They'd probably have different bathrooms and sleeping areas.
... Or maybe they'd be like Arlene Sanders from the Doom bookseries. That's more interesting to my mind, at least. ^^

Nobody rallies for Tau space marines right? Why no tolerance in that department?

Oh, and one other aside. Another sign my side's on the up, there are human Tau. Justsayin. : 3

 

[hellthins]

Tau have women.

They are good at killing space marines. : o

Most wear the XV18 or XV28 'stealth battlesuit' (Megaman and Eggman, respectively.)

So I guess that's all I really have to say about 40k females. I had just assumed women who were down with the emperor were placed into the SoB for one reason or another. With any luck after a few more decades of technological advancements my people will wipe your people off the stars while you're still building the same old guns and tanks from your little storybooks.

And as for what female 'Space Marines' would be like... They'd probably have different bathrooms and sleeping areas.
... Or maybe they'd be like Arlene Sanders from the Doom bookseries. That's more interesting to my mind, at least. ^^

Nobody rallies for Tau space marines right? Why no tolerance in that department?

Oh, and one other aside. Another sign my side's on the up, there are human Tau. Justsayin. : 3

The humans the Tau used aren't exactly treated very nicely.