Space Marines: They're becoming wimpier with each generation (Now with added ORK!)
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Gordon Freeman is a Space Marine. And any other word you can think of that is manly.olicon said:
About Space Marines: they are complex. To some they are an amazing column of power, but to others they are cruel people. Kill in the name of good, but kill with basically a chainsaw. Space Marines have more depth than Master Chief or The GoW Cogs.
And again, they spit acid.
All of you just don't stop!keyton777 said:
Space Marines were built to be strong, big, and AGILE. A Space Marine has more of a chance to jump out of the way of a rocket even WITHOUT any cybernetic enhancements, because they have enhanced MINDS too.
Anyway, Master Chief isn't exactly the quickest person in the world either.
Praise The Emperor!
Oh come on! You bring Gaunt's Ghosts here?! Gaunt kills a Chaos Space Marines in a 1-on-1 meleefight (Traitor General).scumofsociety said:
The W40k-fluff sucks, because whatever faction is depicted is so totally awesome they can take on the combinated force of Behemoth and Kraken singlehandedly with nothing but a stringtanga and a blade of grass.
You're hearing it because the movie is shit. You talk about Starship Troopers, you talk about the book.Kadamon said:
Lets be fair, the marines you are describing are wimpy compared to what they came from. As powerful as they were the Primarchs make them look like children. The books constantly say the technology was lost and hint that because of the religion the arose around the Emperor and the machine god the technology is no longer "researched". Lets face it, you can only photocopy a picture so many times before it looks nothing like the original.Kadamon said:
I always wanted them to make an army based off the Tech-priests of Mars. I just like giant war machines which is why I play a Space Marine Drop Pod army and Tau Army.Kadamon said:
On another note, if I remember correctly the ORCS used to be alot bigger as well. ORCS were at least as tall as a space marine and were described as being able to tear a humans limbs off with ease.
I'm tired of participating in this pointless debate. I play DoW, I know about the Warhammer universe. You, on the other hand, do not know about the Halo universe. I'm not going to argue about this anymore.j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:
No, no, it's canon, do you hear me?! SACRED CANON! None shall question the authority of a single line of print.Specter_ said:
Okay, found the problem:Kadamon said:
What you define as "not wimpy" or "awesome", I tend to think of as "absurd" and "ridiculous".
Bulging muscles. Tiny/giant heads. Descriptions of how the characters are ten feet tall because, apparently, the standard trope of six-foot-tall heroes just doesn't cut it anymore. Acid-spitting.
Don't get me wrong, 40k as a setting actually has some interesting stuff in it. But it's not in the bulging muscles and tiny/giant heads. That stuff is -- well, it's downright comical. And, to be honest, I think it was always intended to be that way.
-- Alex
I can't believe this is still going on, lol.
I just finished reading the first in the series of the Horus Heresy books... Great books and a great read to find out more about the 40k universe.
They are the first thing I think of and see when I think of a marine. So for the sake of argument I should be right!
I just finished reading the first in the series of the Horus Heresy books... Great books and a great read to find out more about the 40k universe.
They are the first thing I think of and see when I think of a marine. So for the sake of argument I should be right!
Grey Knight>Sparten
Not only are they physic, and could destory master chief with his mind, he could just as easily crush him with his massiveerection spear/sword.
Not only are they physic, and could destory master chief with his mind, he could just as easily crush him with his massive
i dont know about that last line alex. ive read some of the books, played the games, and had a pal that lived and breathed playing the table top game of 40k, but im far from an expert. but knowing what i do about the universe, it kinda makes alot of sence when you relize that humans eventualy face deamons/chaos. that IS what the original storyline was was it not? the big war between deamons and mankind? all the other 'races' were kinda tossed in later it seems to me as just an excuse to add more army's but the lore of the universe is about man facing deamons.Alex_P said:
anyhow what you lack in 'magic' you need to make up in some other way if your to fight and survive that war. that way is by tech and breading 'super human' soldiers. that would require alot of effort by ALL of humankind and to get that effort our society would need to change radicaly and most likley not for the better. i can actualy see something like the 40k universe developing as a real senario given enough eons to develope. well that and assuming that we ever come face to face with REAL deamons and Jesus isnt around to stop them.
i just dont know really, from a social dynamic point of view i think its a very well developed universe for science fiction. and while i will agree that starship troopers (the book) the space marines were pretty cool , from the point of view of the society then as well as various aspects of the 'war' itself i dont think it was that well done. lots of gaping flaws in Heinleins views on what the future would bring. a read through of starship troopers clearly shows the 'cold war' mindset of the time it was written what with the major enemy being a 'hive mind'. Russia and china anyone? and the 'small wars' fought, remind you of vietnam or Korea? or any number of 'brush wars' fought between the Soviets and Americans. he extended the 1950s into space a couple hundered years from now. (Much like Star Trek did at first) but its clear he put very little thought into how a society could change and develope even over that small a time frame. with the 40K universe it strikes me that some thought HAS gone into how much humankind could change in 40 thousands years, and just as MUCH thought has gone into how some things about humans stay very much the same.
its the society of the 40K universe that makes me like it, not the whole goth religious aspects but the way in wich it developed into that. if you assume for a moment that we humans DO meet God in the future and we DO come face to face with real deamons its actualy a rather accurate society that 40k depicts. humans have been forming armys for 'god' since recorded history, if the REAL God shows up and decided he needed a force of Space Marines do you really think that force wouldnt be the most ultimate kick ass army its even possable to create? and dont you think that the a society that was under attack by deamons for thousands of years wouldnt eventualy develope into something like 40k established?
all in all im not sure that it was ment to be funny. im certian some aspects of it are but for the most part it just seems grim and very very human.
anyhow i picked up a copy of starship troopers after seeing the movie, i often do that just too see how bad the movie butcher'd the book and too no supprise of mine it was a compleate disgrace. the book was good to my supprise, i dont often enjoy older sci-fie with the exception of Dune and some of Niven's work but i wasnt all that impressed with the whole starship troopers as a fighting force. two things make a good fighting force, your tech and your training, the starship troopers had the tech but their training as described in the book wasnt even as tough as Basic every day US Marines is now. thats not even talking about special forces training and we can assume that the troopers would be that universes equilivent of the Navy Seals or the GSG9 or the SAS. they just seemed rather piss poor as an army if they didnt have their suits, on the other hand a 40K marine would still be an awsome force armor or no. i can see a marine fighting to the death buck ass naked but i cant see a trooper without his suit doing anything but runing like a girl.