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What are you talking about?! It's only just turned 900.M41 where I am. =PTheRightToArmBears said:
I don't like ultrasmurfs to any extreme degree, but I see their place in the lore. They're knights in shining armour. The typical White (blue) knights that are incredibly loyal and only really have beliefs toward honour and dying for their emperor. This brings them a lack of depth, the other reason people hate them besides the fact that they're pretty much the most famous legion despite their lack of depth but I always admired loyalty.Togs said:
And they seem to go closer to the roman-esque leanings of the emperium than other legions. And Romans are awesome.
For fluff, most favorite would be White Scars.
For crunch, there really isn't one. I play Tau and Necron.
For Fluff, most hated would be either Ultramarines for pure generic-ness, or Salamanders because priorities what.
Ultramarines for crunch hate too because of the same reason.
For crunch, there really isn't one. I play Tau and Necron.
For Fluff, most hated would be either Ultramarines for pure generic-ness, or Salamanders because priorities what.
Ultramarines for crunch hate too because of the same reason.
Oooohh, thanks for making me aware of that! Awesome! The Iron Hands are quite appealing from what little I read about them so far, but I never got a hold of the Jonathan Green novel, so this will finally be my chance to read a story with them as the protagonists.The Forces of Chaos said:
If your first BL novel was The First Heretic, you may as well go ahead and read the entire Horus Heresy series; almost no better way to delve into the world of W40k. Two of the 16 that are out so far kind of suck ('Descent of Angels' and 'Battle for the Abyss'), but the others are anywhere between 'pretty good' and 'awesome'.Doclector said:
Of course, you can also browse the Black Library by author. I recommend anything by Dan Abnett, Aaron Dembski-Bowden, James Swallow and Graham McNeill.
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I can only judge from the Black Library novels, seeing how I don't really care about the tabletop. From what I've read there, the most appealing chapter around are the Space Wolves, especially in their earlier days (as seen in 'Prospero Burns' and 'Battle of the Fang').
Of course, I also have a close connection to the Tomb Drakes. Why? Because I made them up. I created the chapter for the Deathwatch RPG and made the effort to write a detailed background for them, so they're a labour of love.
That said, the traitor legions are just more interesting.
For me, it's a toss-up between the Night Lords and the Thousand Sons. Both have delightfully tragic elements to their backstories, and their legion customs and ways of warfare are special even among the other traitors. Also, the Alpha Legion is always good for a laugh.
Anyone who wants to understand why I have a faible for these legions should read the following novels: 'Soul Hunter', 'Blood Reaver', ('Lord of the Night'), 'A Thousand Sons', 'Battle of the Fang', 'Atlas Infernal', 'Legion'.
That's because they aren't different armies, they're fundamentally the same. They're painted different colours and have different backgrounds, but on the battlefield operate in a similar manner (both in the fluff and the TT game). They might have their own dispositions and overall personalities, but an Astartes is an Astartes and so their fighting styles, equipment and tactics remain broadly similar throughout the chapters. The same could be said of any modern military force, and they lack a universal Codex to guide them.Generic Gamer said:
I think preferences mostly come down to either aesthetics or background, rather than actual playstyle with the exception of the chapters with separate codices: and, as you said, even they aren't very different.
There's one, it maybe a little on the subtle side but each chapter does have different aesthetics, but I do agree with you how annoying it is that each new codex eliminates any mechanical differences between them (e.g. Everyone now has Vanguard Veterans and Venerable Dreadnoughts).Generic Gamer said:
And Im no fan of Matt Fucking Ward (after buying the 5th edition SM codex I was horrifed by what he'd done to my favourite chapters lore) but the Space Marines reputation is why people pick them- I love the whole genetically engineered warrior monk/paladins in space thing and would be very gutted if they tried changing that.
I think most people tend to forgot that for something to be SPECIAL there needs to be some point of reference, something that provides the base assumptions that then can be subverted.Doclector said:
Enter the Ultramarines.
Which is why I personally like them alot.
If everyone is a special, Codex-betraying, rebelious snowflake,
no one is.
Let me guess, that reason would be Matt Ward? The man who shouldn't be allowed within a ten mile radius of a pen or keyboard?RobCoxxy said:I love the Imperial Iists, so much so my custom chapter is a descendant of them.
I hate the smurfs for obvious reasons.
Bingo.Pedro The Hutt said:Let me guess, that reason would be Matt Ward? The man who shouldn't be allowed within a ten mile radius of a pen or keyboard?RobCoxxy said:I love the Imperial Iists, so much so my custom chapter is a descendant of them.
I hate the smurfs for obvious reasons.
Yahtzee.
Got it in one.
SM Codex special units. About 70% are UM only. Whut.
Two powerfists, really?
Again another tau player. I originally played blood angels (and would be my fave amongst the space marines) Then played the old Tau fie warrior game for PS2 and saw the models and read a bit about them and love the idea and basically switched on the spot.I haven't played properly in ages but still love seeing40k themed products around.
As for most hated space marine chapter? I would say ultramarine but there's enough hate for them going on in here already. Id have to go with white scars, because all those fast moving units were a pain in the ass for my tau army and something about a commander that let you deep strike the whole army? :s its been a while lol.
As for most hated space marine chapter? I would say ultramarine but there's enough hate for them going on in here already. Id have to go with white scars, because all those fast moving units were a pain in the ass for my tau army and something about a commander that let you deep strike the whole army? :s its been a while lol.
Like this [ img] put the url of the picture in here [/img]SammiYin said:
Just take out the space between [ and the first img. Easiest way to learn how to do these things is to 'quote' someone who has done something you would like to do and see what the tags are.
I never actually played as the space marines; though I spent 4 years working in the a comic shop/game store the only game store in a city of 600,000 that had tables with terrain that they would let you play on for free. So I saw a crap ton of people come in and Space Marines and Chaos Marines were by far the most popular races to play. I disliked Marines because everything about the game was so focused on them.SpaceCop said:
I've been on and off with the game for the last 13 years. Originally I played as Dark Eldar, even got some little awards for my minis (worked in a place that sells them and encourages you to make Rad pieces on your down time)
After a couple editions where they were skipped over or barely improved Dark Eldar my feelings got hurt and I stopped playing. Hell for a period they discontinued them in the states altogether.
I also had a smaller force of SOBs/Witch Hunters though slow accumulation has made them the much larger army that I have.
edit: interestingly when it came to Fantasy WH I'd say it was pretty close to even across the board as to which army people played as.
I always thought the Grey Knights were just kind of a type of unit not so much a full chapter...
I like the Nurgle Plague Marines.
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All hail the Great Unclean One!
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All hail the Great Unclean One!