Spanish Police Site Goes Dark Following Anonymous Arrests

[Frotality]

anons arrested, anon retaliates.

seems perfectly logical; why is everyone getting so worked up over this?

 

[bob1052]

This article is not factual; Anonymous (and i mean anon-ops) DENIED involvement with PSN, they did not take credit for the attack.

And yet, at the same time, Anonymous admitted fully that it was their members who were responsible.

If you listen to their denial but refuse to listen to their admittance then you do not understand what Anonymous is.

 

[Compatriot Block]

I wish they stopped with the "blabla Anonymous has no members". They are weaselling themselves out of any responsibility for their actions. If your not prepared to take a stand for your believes then your cause is worthless.

But should you be required to take a stand for someone else's beliefs because you were in the same room with them? Or met them once in an online chat room. That's what you're asking Anon to do now, by trying to make them responsible for anything and everything ever claimed to have been done in their name. It's just silly.

Parsing the Anon identity thing is easy: Those who participate in Anon may share beliefs (but probably not all their beliefs), and be motivated by the courage or malevolence of others, but they act as individuals.

Which means they can be prosecuted and judged as individuals. Neat and tidy, and conflicts with neither Anon's expressed views nor the existing legal structures.

Besides, if you walked up to a hippy or a punk or a grunger and asked "Take me to your leader," they wouldn't really understand the question. Same thing.

If they don't want to be lumped in with other people in the room, then they need to make it clear that not everyone can join, and act as a group. Anonymous can't have it both ways. They can't expect to avoid repercussions for actions made by someone claiming to be Anonymous unless they are willing to consider themselves an organization that doesn't allow everyone in.

 

[Emergent]

If they don't want to be lumped in with other people in the room, then they need to make it clear that not everyone can join, and act as a group. Anonymous can't have it both ways. They can't expect to avoid repercussions for actions made by someone claiming to be Anonymous unless they are willing to consider themselves an organization that doesn't allow everyone in.

No they don't (to the first part) and yes they can (to the second). Since they don't consider themselves an organization at all, I can't help but think you're sort of missing the point.

 

[Daveman]

Seriously, fuck Anonymous. My country is great. My planet is great. Yes, it fucks up from time to time but YOU DON'T GET TO APPOINT YOURSELF JUDGE, JURY AND EXECUTIONER. These dickheads can't possibly believe in free speech when they themselves evidently don't even believe in a fair trial. It's one thing to believe in conspiracy, but to believe it runs through literally an entire police force is laughable.

The sooner they're arrested the better. Well done Spain for fucking doing anything.

 

[Lightslei]

But if Sony says he's guilty it means he is?

Why are you bringing up Sony here they have nothing to do with this at all. All I said was that im going to take everything that an admitted criminal organization says with a hefty grain of salt.

I think I'm going bonkers. I'm inclined to side with Anon on this one. If the persons in question are being held for DDoSing the Sony website before the PSN outage, then Anon is right--it's a peaceful protest that only causes mild inconvenience. If they're there for the PSN security break, then they have reason to be there. I'm not sure which group I should be supporting. Odd.

Breaking the law is breaking the law. You break it you suffer the consequences.

Because the law should be black and white. Are you aware of how many contradicting laws there are? Within a given day you'll break at least 2 laws unintentionally, not to mention how many pitiful laws have been made simply so lawmakers can say they did something. I mean one of my favorites in NY is a time limit on when you can wear slippers. If corporations gained complete control on a government and forced the government to make laws that would make all the people be incapable of paying for any goods or services, or forces them to buy into certain programs regardless that they do not have that source of money to fund such services, it should be completely legal, right and people should be jailed for their government forcing ideologies on them.

Fascists countries dictate what you're allowed to say, so you feel the government should have a right to control what you say. Here's one for you, it's illegal to say "gazuntite" in the United States as a law was passed in the first World War making it illegal, and it was never repealed.

People who accept the law as it is, are foolish for not questioning the validity of the laws and the proposals put forth by lawmakers.

 

[Dogstile]

"We have no members and are not a group of any kind". Then what the fuck are they!? This is getting far too abstract. They're just bullshitting us at this point.

And since when is hacking and disrupting the online services of other people who don't deserve it"free expression". Does that mean that I can rob someone's safe or knock over a stop sign and claim that I was just expressing myself?

And I still have to laugh at their use of the Guy Fawkes masks. The real Guy Fawkes did not stand for freedom at all.

Anon is everyone. Therefore, no members, unless you count everyone as a member, which is ridiculous. If they were a "group" they would all know eachother.

They argue that its more like standing in front of a shop holding signs blocking access, not stealing or vandalising.

The guy fawkes mask isn't a serious thing, its a lulz thing.

Hope that helps

 

[Weaver]

This article is not factual; Anonymous (and i mean anon-ops) DENIED involvement with PSN, they did not take credit for the attack.

Correct. The article has been edited to reflect as much.

Thanks for correcting it
I appreciate your dedication to keeping your reports matter-of-fact!