Spartan Vs Astartes
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The Emperor's finest would trouse a Spartan every single time with no competition.
Spartans are built for combat, the Adeptus Astrates are built for war, psychologcially programmed to know no fear and to walk softly and carry a big gun.
Spartans are built for combat, the Adeptus Astrates are built for war, psychologcially programmed to know no fear and to walk softly and carry a big gun.
Correction, have no idea what 40k fluff is. The backstory to 40k is basically Unstoppable Force vs Immovable Object rendered in fictional form.Duffeknol said:
(This is without getting into the question of why a genetically augmented human being in power armour that fights aliens for humanity would fight a genetically augmented human being in power armour that fights aliens for humanity)
Pfffft. No one has anything on Creed.
"What's this? One human? No power armor, no over the top weaponry? This will be ea-Wait, where the fuck did that imperial titan come from!?
CREEEEEEEEEEEEEEED!"
"What's this? One human? No power armor, no over the top weaponry? This will be ea-Wait, where the fuck did that imperial titan come from!?
CREEEEEEEEEEEEEEED!"
ummm space marines are geneticly engineered to the point where they are human only in name (and even then they would rather be called a space marine) they are practacly rebuilt from scratch with technologies many millenia more advanced then that of the spartan. not to mention they live for 100s of years and all that time is spent fighting horrific odds. plus they have way more advanced tech, nearly everything they use could probably one shot a spartan. your talking about a soldier that is bred, lives for and does nothing else but war in a galaxy full of aliens that are always trying to kill them for 100s of years. no question the spartan is a child compared to an AstartesXixikal said:
Wow, that was quite, erm, quite...wiredk said:
...in-depth, that's the word I'm looking for. Of course, if we choose to go down that route then his chiefyness would get some special rules (he is a hero char after all):
'Tank flipper' - Automatically fixes one crew stunned, shaken or engine damaged result within 6 inches per whole turn
'The one Gaunt gets' - His squad never retreats.
'Independant char' - Can leave and join any friendly squad.
'Duel-wield' - In the fluff SIIs can fire rocket launchers duel wielded, whilst running at around 40 miles per hour, hitting a target at 100meters exactly. I say chief should be able to fire his assault rifle as an 'assault' weapon.
etc. etc.
Also, Chief can 'flip' tanks, that's a four if ever there was one(S), in the fluff he often duels Sangheili warriors, so a four there (WS). His shield takes almost the brunt of an airstrike during training, he's hurt and it has collapsed but it saves his life and he goes on to punch the next one out of the way (Inv Sv - 4).
1. I do!Duffeknol said:
2. I do!
There, I think chief could win and I know what an astartes is. They are members of the Adeptus Astartes, aka Space Marines, aka SPEEEEZ MUHREENZ!...
aka 'those glory-grabbing, in-human, MUTANT, unpredictable, sometimes dishonourable, High n'mighty, poster boy twats'. Yeah, I'm a guards player, the true defenders of humanity (if you take it that a defender of humanity has to be HUMAN), and probably one of the most heroic - discounting the Space Wolves.
Anyway, back on topic: a plasma weapon has a chance of killing the user with every shot, MC can slice a space marine's arm off (lets see him liquidise my skull now *****) with his energy sword, the chain sword would break itself on the energy sword, most space marines seem to go helmetless (headshot honcho), Chief survived an airstrike, a bolt pistol is a semi-auto (lets say) RPG-7/current day RPG - Chief could take a few of those as the SPNKR tech is presumably far in advance of the humble RPG, it doesn't say battle brother - it could be some dipshit scout who is now completely screwed...
I could go on, they are reasonably even if you peek into Chief's fluff as well as the SMs - if we don't use chief's fluff, we can't use SMs so we begin to talk about people who can be killed by las pistols and who can go as fast as a guardsman.
Go Chief!
[small]Sorry for any terrible grammar or punctuation, I'm on a relatives laptop which is quite slow.[/small]
Not really a fan of Halo (played 1-3 to completion though), and really only now introduced to Warhammer 40k. From the quick reading I've done on both Space Marines win hands down. It seems like they could squash a Spartan and not even break a sweat. Spartan armor is paper and the energy shield really isn't that great either, whereas Space Marines have redundant organ systems, regeneration, and seemingly impermeable armor in addition to really over the top genetic modification to the point of being able to outrun the highway traffic.
It's funny how wrong you are. Read the Space Marine codex, would you?Xixikal said:
The Astartes would absolutely decimate the Cheif. They are bigger, stronger, have better weapons, training, armor, determination, and have seen the gaping maw of Hell and walked back better as a result.
Not to mention they can spit acid.
the Astartes,
Chainsword>puney little light sword
I never played Warhammer 40K but I do know what a chainsword is.
Chainsword>puney little light sword
I never played Warhammer 40K but I do know what a chainsword is.
First thing to say is that the Space Marines are very human, just genetically modified (Again, a lot of people apparently haven't read any of the Space Marine backstories..) And so what if Master Chief could fire his assault rifle and move? The Space Marines would literally just laugh at him as the low caliber bullets (Remember, these rifles can be fired by a UNSC Marine. If a Guardsman took a Space Marine's bolter and fired it, it would break is arm) were repelled by their armor. Sure, the Energy Sword would destroy a Chainsword, but how would he even get close? A Space Marine is a deadeye shot, firing with a boltgun that literally explodes after penetrating the body in order to do the most damage.MrJKapowey said:
Also:
The Chief was severely wounded when this happened, I'm pretty sure he had several broken ribs and broken legs? Something like that. Either way, the Chief didn't make any sort of save. He took wounds. A Space Marine could take that air strike with his armor save.
In addition, it's laughable that you say the Space Marines are dishonourable. The only way that happens is if they are corrupted by Chaos, which happens extremely rarely. The Space Marines are the most disciplined, courageous, and by far the most devoted to their cause.
I also chuckle at your Imperial Guard prejudice. The Guard - at least most - are a bunch of cowards. The only ones with a backbone are the Cadians. If a Guardsman saw what a Space Marine has, they would either run, or just go completely nutters.
Have you even read any of the codices?
Look at that, LOOK AT IT. That s why Spartans would win. I mean they FLIP in the air.
NOTE: I have never played a 40K game, nor now anything about their universe. I'm just adding full to a fire.
The Chiefs primary advantage is that he's neurally linked with a sophisticated artificial intelligence and his reflexes.
I would imagine in a cluttered environment the spartan would have the edge given that he would be able to obtain better firing positions more frequently, make effective use of motion sensors and be able to "out think" an Astartes due to a complicated AI.
Whereas in an open field with limited cover, Master Chief would be overpowered through sheer brute force.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!VERY IMPORTANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I THINK PEOPLE AREN'T CONSIDERING THE MOTION SENSOR (okay thats enough caps) think of guerrilla warfare, in a dense environment all an Astartes will find is bullets in his his, his use of speed and strength would be nullified by having an opponent who knows his position. Master Chief would easily evade him and an Astartes would be continuously worn down. Bieng reffered to as a god won't stop them eventually succumbing to bullets in the back side.
I would imagine in a cluttered environment the spartan would have the edge given that he would be able to obtain better firing positions more frequently, make effective use of motion sensors and be able to "out think" an Astartes due to a complicated AI.
Whereas in an open field with limited cover, Master Chief would be overpowered through sheer brute force.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!VERY IMPORTANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I THINK PEOPLE AREN'T CONSIDERING THE MOTION SENSOR (okay thats enough caps) think of guerrilla warfare, in a dense environment all an Astartes will find is bullets in his his, his use of speed and strength would be nullified by having an opponent who knows his position. Master Chief would easily evade him and an Astartes would be continuously worn down. Bieng reffered to as a god won't stop them eventually succumbing to bullets in the back side.