This is starting to look like a PC vs console thread. One side using established canon for their argument the other just saying nah ours would win because we said so.
Spartan Vs Astartes
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Space Marine, obviously. They're likely to be a head or two taller(two in the case of Spartan 3s) and over twice as wide. Much better reflexes and armor as well.
Not to mention have a bit of genetic material from the only post human existence running through their genetic makeup.
This is before you take in this like their several centuries of combat experience or more, etc etc etc. It's rather one sided.
Not to mention have a bit of genetic material from the only post human existence running through their genetic makeup.
This is before you take in this like their several centuries of combat experience or more, etc etc etc. It's rather one sided.
Two entirely different universes. In terms of proportional badass-ness there could be a discussion.
But "facts vs facts"? Astartes hands down, don't be silly.
But "facts vs facts"? Astartes hands down, don't be silly.
Bah ... Space Marines ....
The universe they occupy is so much harder, grisly, uncaring and overtly cruel ... I reckon a Cadian shocktroop would give Master chief a run for his money, much less a space marine.
The universe they occupy is so much harder, grisly, uncaring and overtly cruel ... I reckon a Cadian shocktroop would give Master chief a run for his money, much less a space marine.
The best spartan is Leonidas
Let's do Dante vs Bayonetta instead, cause I'm not too familiar with either Halo or 40K
Let's do Dante vs Bayonetta instead, cause I'm not too familiar with either Halo or 40K
No, even as a Star Wars fan, I have to say that pretty much anything in Star Wars would get utterly annihilated by WH40k stuff. Sure, a Star Destroyer may be a cubic mile of death incarnate, but, well, they're ONLY a cubic mile of death incarnate. That's like, a couple of frigates in 40k. The bigger ships are Super Star Destroyer sized, easily, if not bigger, and annihilate planets with shocking ease and alarming regularity. And pretty much any army in 40k would be able to take any Star Wars army in a ground war EMBARASSINGLY easily, including the Jedi, since they can't deflect bullets like blaster shots. And also pretty much every form of weapon in 40k right down to the basic lasgun can blast a significant hole in something.O maestre said:
As for the fight between the Chief and an Astartes? Well, as both a Halo and 40k fan as well, I would definitely have to say that while the Chief might be able to take out a Scout, or even a small squad of them if he was very, VERY careful and lucky, a full Space Marine, or god forbid, a Terminator, would turn him into red goo in a metal tube quicker than you can say "Explosive Rounds". The Chief would have to get insanely lucky and catch a Space Marine unarmed, and he would still have to use a plasma grenade, which while it would kill a normal Space Marine due to the cloud of superheated plasma, probably wouldn't kill a Terminator, or even do anything but annoy it. Sorry, Halo fanboys, but the 40k Space Marines are in a league of their own, and the Chief just isn't up to par. The Astartes would take one look at the Flood and the Covenant, crack their knuckles, and exterminate their entire species inside of a month (factoring in travel time).
I'm pretty sure a Space Marine will win, for several reasons. as well as the whole "7-foot-tall, genetically engineered killing machine", his sidearm's a freaking mini-rocket launcher. urban warfare? not a problem, as the SM could just go straight through the wall. technology's also pretty one-sided, seeing as space marines: 41st millenia, whereas halo is only set 500 years into the future. the chief just wouldn't stand a chance.
Chief gets hit by a bolt round. Shield absorbs initial impact and shorts out. concussive force turns chiefs insides into a squishy red paste. Second round explodes said paste into surrounding areaSckizoBoy said:
Marine beats chief to death with storm shield and eats his flesh to gain his knowledge.
Space marine captain spits acid into chiefs face and smooshes him with a power fist
same as above except he uses his crozius instead of a power fist.
space marine chapter master flicks chief to death with his pinkie whilst smiting an eldar wraithlord and turns his skull into a beer mug.
agreed.
Everything a marine can do whilst not wearing his armour he can do better whilst wearing it. He is more agile, faster, and stronger than the chief by an absurd amount.
No spartan portable weapon in the halo universe aside from maybe the spartan laser could scratch a suit of ordinary power armour.
A boltgun fires a small krak missile, designed to explode inside a target. even if the chiefs shield took the force of the initial impact, the concussive force from the explosion would destroy the chiefs insides. His armour might as well b paper when compard to a boltgun. hell, i doubt even a lasgun would have trouble with it. At best its comparable to carapace armour
chief fires weapons at space marine, space marine "stop that it tickles" and then he crushes the chiefs head in his hand xD
More realistic master chief stats
WS BS S T W I A Ld Sv
4 4 4 3 2 4 2 9 4+ (6+ inv)
your stats are more ridiculous than calgars xD and utterly unrealistic.
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My money is on Squirrel Girl since we're just putting random characters from different universes to war with each other. Either that or Superman, but only if Squirrel Girl doesn't defeat Superman first of course.
Between the two OP put up, Master Chief. He's more awesome, he would win on that alone.
Between the two OP put up, Master Chief. He's more awesome, he would win on that alone.
Im fairly sure master chief is only about 15-20 no? Space marines are recruited from death worlds (most of them) and are trained for decades, they have superior equipment, numbers, training and experience seeing as Astartes can live for several hundred years. As much as it pains me to side with the Imperium on this one space marines would kick spartens ass.Fidelias said:
Are they? Have you seen Kaldor Draigo?! His are stupid as well. (Can't remember them off the top of my head, so I'll give you) Mephiston, who was just wrong:EMFCRACKSHOT said:snip
your stats are more ridiculous than calgars xD and utterly unrealistic.
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WS BS S T W I A Ld Sv
7 5 6 6 5 6 4 10 2+
Tell me that isn't wrong! And he's supposed to be the Blood Angels CHIEF LIBRRIAN... Matt Ward, I love you and all, but you're driving me nuts, y'damned astartophile!
And LOL, well said.
I think we could argue with a Spartan's initiative stat all day long. But either way, I'm sure we can agree that: THE EMPEROR'S WRATH HAS NO EQUAL!!
We bow down before such awesome! (Actually, I don't, since I played Harlequins back in the day!)
At the time of the first Halo game, Master Chief is 42.Sam Warrior said:
Hell, let's just lay out all of the Chief's info right here and now:
http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/John_117
Wasn't arguing that. Simply clearing up a fact.Sam Warrior said:
Go check out my earlier post in this thread. It'll explain my views on all of this.
Well, both sides are the result of genetic modification. Without bringing the possibility of the Astartes having super abillities or psionics (it all depends on the lineage of the paticular gene seed, they do vary in power) it comes largely down to weapons.
I think most people are wrong in assuming that a Halo assault rifle would be totally ineffective against Space Marine armor. Sluggas and Auto Pistols can bring Space Marines down just fine, especially if you shoot them enough times.
The big factor in deciding this fight is probably going to be a bit that I don't think anyone else mentioned, and that is quite simply that Master Chief has a personal force field. That whole "regenerating health" gimmick that gets such mixed reviews.
To be blunt, personal Force Fields do exist in Warhammer 40k, and they are a BIG deal, a major artifact from the dark age of technology. Something like that is a major force on the battiefield all on it's own, and space marines DO have trouble dealing with gimmicks like that.
Dealing with this conceptually, rather than getting into specific game mechannics on either side (especially seeing as I only really have RPG stats for Warhammer 40k, via things like Rogue Trader, Dark Heresy, and Deathwatch), I think your typical Astartes would have some serious difficulty doing damage to the guy, especially seeing as his force field would keep regenerating by it's very nature.
In general I'd say MASTER CHIEF as a major hero, would trash your typical Astartes. You put him up against a hero level Space Marine armed with chapter relics, and it would be a lot more even. Unit for Unit I'd say the Spartans would bet a bit better, largely because of the shields, overall I'd say the two types of troops are almost identical, but the Astartes as they exist as of the time of Warhammer 40k are a mere shadow of what they once were, using a lot of technology they don't fully understand, and having lost a lot of their best tricks due to simple decay over thousands of years. The Spartans on the other hand are fully prepped with state of the art tech that has just come off of an assembly line (so to speak) as opposed to spending thousands of years being repaired and rebuilt.
To get into things mechanics wise, if someone was to ask me to build Master Chief or a Spartan within say the "Deathwatch" mechanics (ignoring the basic character generation, just assiging relevent stats) it would be very similar to what the Space Marines have, but as I said I'd be loading him with Archaotech for things like the force field, and he'd wind up being a borderline munchkin.
I'd also remind people that Space Marines are tough, but they get trashed by relatively ordinary stuff all the time. Within the Warhammer 40k universe, I don't even think they are pound for pound the best unit the Imperium can actually field. A lot of the special forces units of groups like The Imperial Guard can come very close, and you have guys like Spyrers, who are hive nobles with powered armor, who have weapons and gimmicks at least as good as the Space Marines overall when you look at what they are actually packing. It's also not totally unheard of for relatively normal guys, albiet ones who are heroic, like various Comissars and such to be able to best enemies like Chaos Marines in hand to hand combat.
I think the problem is that it depends on who is writing things, and how "yahoo" they tend to be getting at the moment. Conceptually, the Astartes are tough, but far from being invincible. Even in the minatures game, a couple of bad (for the marines) rolls and a squad with autoguns or sluggas can gun down a squad of elite space marines.
I think most people are wrong in assuming that a Halo assault rifle would be totally ineffective against Space Marine armor. Sluggas and Auto Pistols can bring Space Marines down just fine, especially if you shoot them enough times.
The big factor in deciding this fight is probably going to be a bit that I don't think anyone else mentioned, and that is quite simply that Master Chief has a personal force field. That whole "regenerating health" gimmick that gets such mixed reviews.
To be blunt, personal Force Fields do exist in Warhammer 40k, and they are a BIG deal, a major artifact from the dark age of technology. Something like that is a major force on the battiefield all on it's own, and space marines DO have trouble dealing with gimmicks like that.
Dealing with this conceptually, rather than getting into specific game mechannics on either side (especially seeing as I only really have RPG stats for Warhammer 40k, via things like Rogue Trader, Dark Heresy, and Deathwatch), I think your typical Astartes would have some serious difficulty doing damage to the guy, especially seeing as his force field would keep regenerating by it's very nature.
In general I'd say MASTER CHIEF as a major hero, would trash your typical Astartes. You put him up against a hero level Space Marine armed with chapter relics, and it would be a lot more even. Unit for Unit I'd say the Spartans would bet a bit better, largely because of the shields, overall I'd say the two types of troops are almost identical, but the Astartes as they exist as of the time of Warhammer 40k are a mere shadow of what they once were, using a lot of technology they don't fully understand, and having lost a lot of their best tricks due to simple decay over thousands of years. The Spartans on the other hand are fully prepped with state of the art tech that has just come off of an assembly line (so to speak) as opposed to spending thousands of years being repaired and rebuilt.
To get into things mechanics wise, if someone was to ask me to build Master Chief or a Spartan within say the "Deathwatch" mechanics (ignoring the basic character generation, just assiging relevent stats) it would be very similar to what the Space Marines have, but as I said I'd be loading him with Archaotech for things like the force field, and he'd wind up being a borderline munchkin.
I'd also remind people that Space Marines are tough, but they get trashed by relatively ordinary stuff all the time. Within the Warhammer 40k universe, I don't even think they are pound for pound the best unit the Imperium can actually field. A lot of the special forces units of groups like The Imperial Guard can come very close, and you have guys like Spyrers, who are hive nobles with powered armor, who have weapons and gimmicks at least as good as the Space Marines overall when you look at what they are actually packing. It's also not totally unheard of for relatively normal guys, albiet ones who are heroic, like various Comissars and such to be able to best enemies like Chaos Marines in hand to hand combat.
I think the problem is that it depends on who is writing things, and how "yahoo" they tend to be getting at the moment. Conceptually, the Astartes are tough, but far from being invincible. Even in the minatures game, a couple of bad (for the marines) rolls and a squad with autoguns or sluggas can gun down a squad of elite space marines.
wow, they really beefed mephiston up since third edition xD (last time i looked at the blood angels codex xD still havent looked though the new one. Black Templars have always been my babies xD)SckizoBoy said:
And the whole new grey knights codex is just insane. Still no match for my massed ranks of lasguns and my formations of leman russ xD
The grey knights don't tend to fare too well against horde armies. Their best units end up slogging their way through my conscripts for the entire game, leaving me to mop up around the objectives.
The leman russ punisher with pask in it was made to chew through marines xD 29 strength 5 shots, hitting on threes, wounding on threes. bye bye paladin squad.
And all shall fall beneath the emperors mercy. at least until his throne breaks and he dies xD