Species take over

[Altar]

(Couldn't think of a proper topic)

Anyways, reading about the Avatar threads got me to thinking about this. My question is, in nature, different species always go around attacking, killing and forcing another species off 'their' land and take the land and the resources as their own, and it's not always a different species, sometimes it's the same species doing it...

So anyways my question is, why is it when this happens in nature, no one cares and goes, oh well that's nature for you, but when humans do it... Apparently we are killing and stealing the land of these animals and apparently evil and going against nature and not caring about anything and only doing it to help our own species... you know like every other species does.

Soo... why is it alright for animals, and other species to do this but but not for humans?

Edit: Because people seem to be thinking I'm asking why humans can't kill other humans, I mean can understand considering how it's worded, but my question really is...

Ok let's say there's Animal A and Animal B, Animal A comes along kills or forces Animal B off it's territory/land. Now no one seems to care when that happens and says hey, that's nature, but substitute Animal A with humans and animal B with... lions, now why is at all of a sudden wrong and even sometimes apparently going against nature??!

 

[wrecker77]

Oh is it okay to go kill my neighbore and claim his house for my own? I think he has his family over, bonus!

You lied to me.

/joke.

Its not okay to kill people. I don't get what your trying to say.

 

[The Procrastinated End]

Partially because people feel they should be treated better then animals, and mostly because people need something to ***** about and race is usually a good medium.

 

[wrecker77]

Internet being weird so I'l double post because I cant edit.

Its late, I completely misread your post. My bad.

Probably because they are animals and they aren't arguing over things we need.

 

[Raijha]

Now I may be wrong about this, so don't get too excited, but aren't humans the only one who commit any of those acts to the total annihilation and extinction of other species? I mean, I've never heard of, like, anteaters wiping an entire sub-species of ants out. Maybe, iunno, locusts or some other type of swarming bug managing to kill an entire species of fauna? That's really the only example I can think of. Again, I could be entirely wrong.

 

[randomsix]

I think it's because humanity is just so damn powerful.

The phrase "Like taking candy from a baby" fits. The animals on the land that humans move onto have absolutely no chance, no matter how well they are adapted to live there, and most of the time, when humans move into a new area, they fundamentally change it through deforestation, farming, and construction.

Because misanthropes love any reason to ***** about their race.

This too.

 

[Shock and Awe]

Because it fucks with the ecosystem and that fucks with us. Add to the fact that its very rare for one species to be the sole reason for the death of other species.

 

[DeadlyYellow]

Now I may be wrong about this, so don't get too excited, but aren't humans the only one who commit any of those acts to the total annihilation and extinction of other species? I mean, I've never heard of, like, anteaters wiping an entire sub-species of ants out. Maybe, iunno, locusts or some other type of swarming bug managing to kill an entire species of fauna? That's really the only example I can think of. Again, I could be entirely wrong.

That's because nature has a way of balancing itself that largely doesn't apply to humans. Of course, when it DOES happen nowadays it's usually initiated by human interference.

 

[InfernoJesus]

Because over generations, morals have gradually been changed, broken-telephone style. The creators told their children that it was morally incorrect to harm other human beings without reason. The message has been misunderstood to the point that animals are now a part of modern-day morals.

 

[ICanBreakTheseCuffs]

because people want to ***** about things

 

[Dags90]

Your generalization doesn't apply to all animals, let alone species. Science is not a planned fairy tale, the number of exceptions to any one generality is staggering. It's an obsessive compulsive's worst nightmare.

A better wording would be "Some species sometimes." And that's not addressing the huge is->ought problem should we decide to swallow your leaps of logic.

 

[Jack_Uzi]

Because ehmm.... we as humans think we are so much more than animals? Sure we are, we are gifted with a conscious to understand right from left.. I mean ehmm.. wrong and therfore are better beings. To know this is to understand ourselves better and understand that there are things like greed and self preservation that is translated in having my garbadge can filled with leftovers.

 

[Chal]

I'm just waiting for a strain of cordyceps to evolve for man. Everyone cheer for our new and balanced ecosystem! Hooray!

Seriously though, the problem with humans is there is just no controlling a species as evolved as us. Great for us personally, not so good for diversity. It's bad for humans to muck about and be a successful dominant species because we have reason and know some of the consequences.

 

[Altar]

Your generalization doesn't apply to all animals, let alone species. Science is not a planned fairy tale, the number of exceptions to any one generality is staggering. It's an obsessive compulsive's worst nightmare.

A better wording would be "Some species sometimes." And that's not addressing the huge is->ought problem should we decide to swallow your leaps of logic.

Ok, fine let's say some species do it, that still doesn't answer the question, why these species can do it without anyone caring but, why is it still wrong for humans?

 

[Littlee300]

Because it fucks with the ecosystem and that fucks with us. Add to the fact that its very rare for one species to be the sole reason for the death of other species.

As long as chickens and cows stay on Earth I am happy. (this doesn't include planets)
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[DMonkey]

Because ehmm.... we as humans think we are so much more than animals? Sure we are, we are gifted with a conscious to understand right from left.. I mean ehmm.. wrong and therfore are better beings. To know this is to understand ourselves better and understand that there are things like greed and self preservation that is translated in having my garbadge can filled with leftovers.

Goddamn it. Mind reader!

Anyways, I believe Mr Uzi here hit the nail right on the head.

 

[Stone Wera]

Now I may be wrong about this, so don't get too excited, but aren't humans the only one who commit any of those acts to the total annihilation and extinction of other species? I mean, I've never heard of, like, anteaters wiping an entire sub-species of ants out. Maybe, iunno, locusts or some other type of swarming bug managing to kill an entire species of fauna? That's really the only example I can think of. Again, I could be entirely wrong.

A cat once killed off an entire species of flightless birds. A single housecat. I'm not even joking. It was on an island, the cat wiped them out before anyone realized that there was an endemic species there.

 

[Dags90]

Ok, fine let's say some species do it, that still doesn't answer the question, why these species can do it without anyone caring but, why is it still wrong for humans?

We don't believe they can consider their actions, same as we do with small children, and the severely mentally handicapped. Intent is a large part of many people's moral philosophy.

 

[Raijha]

Oh yea! I remember that! hahahahaha! However you have to remember that it was a housecat, not a wild one, introduced by human interference. Full article here (wiki article so obviously not 100% reliable, but still pretty good from what I read)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephens_Island_Wren


Either way, yea, that does show that one species can completely wipe out another (or at least be a large part of the extinction), even if we did introduce them to each other.

 

[Levitas1234]

Because we are sentient and have no actually need for what we desire, unlike animals that need to kill or be killed.