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Altar

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Dags90 said:
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Ok, fine let's say some species do it, that still doesn't answer the question, why these species can do it without anyone caring but, why is it still wrong for humans?
We don't believe they can consider their actions, same as we do with small children, and the severely mentally handicapped. Intent is a large part of many people's moral philosophy.
Don't get me wrong, I am against you know, animal cruelty and wiping out other species, however I'm not against taking land from other species... when it's for a purpose and it doesn't cause them to go extinct, if you get me?! (Unless it's Pandas, Hate them so much.)
 

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Stone Wera said:
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Now I may be wrong about this, so don't get too excited, but aren't humans the only one who commit any of those acts to the total annihilation and extinction of other species? I mean, I've never heard of, like, anteaters wiping an entire sub-species of ants out. Maybe, iunno, locusts or some other type of swarming bug managing to kill an entire species of fauna? That's really the only example I can think of. Again, I could be entirely wrong.
A cat once killed off an entire species of flightless birds. A single housecat. I'm not even joking. It was on an island, the cat wiped them out before anyone realized that there was an endemic species there.
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How the heck did that cat get onto that island? Did it swim to the island or something? Jeez, it's almost like some human brought it over on a boat or plane or something.
 

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Raijha said:
Now I may be wrong about this, so don't get too excited, but aren't humans the only one who commit any of those acts to the total annihilation and extinction of other species? I mean, I've never heard of, like, anteaters wiping an entire sub-species of ants out. Maybe, iunno, locusts or some other type of swarming bug managing to kill an entire species of fauna? That's really the only example I can think of. Again, I could be entirely wrong.
Well, if you could count this in to not really going with your argument, but Ants do regularly wage warfare with each other. Plus, a lot of the problems can stem from the fact that humans are generally the most adaptive species in the world, allowing us to survive ecological shifts (such as the potential extinction of a species of flora/fauna) much, much easier than other creatures.
 

Guitarmasterx7

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Well i mean lots of animals kill and eat each other too, that doesn't mean we should be able to kill and eat each other. Wait, are you talking about like, what Europeans did to the native Americana, or are you talking about something like clearing a forest to make a factory. because in the case of the latter I could really care less.
 

Dexiro

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We're civilized and can see that it's morally wrong. Sometimes it's not always the best idea to just go along with nature.
 

ultrachicken

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Because people commonly place human life above that of animals. As for humans killing animals, that's because many people have come to see animals as pets and not food sources.
 

zehydra

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Actually, we don't like it when it happens with animals either. We will try to preserve animal species regardless of cause.
 

Aisaku

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Human nature. No matter what reason, whether it be race, believes, sex, or the star wars prequels, people are drawn into factions which agree with their point of view, act on their faction's self interest, and reject anyone who doesn't fit in it. Some of these factions even take it to the point to take on anyone else.

It may be necesary evil for self preservation, but I'd like to believe civilization has evolved past that. Myself I try for peaceful coexistence.
 

Kollega

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The idea is that unlike animals, humans understand what they are doing and can be held accountable for their actions. There's also an idea that going around arbitrarily destroying ecosystems can bite humanity in the arse in the long run.

What you described is an exagerration of those two ideas.

Aisaku said:
It may be necesary evil for self preservation, but I'd like to believe civilization has evolved past that. Myself I try for peaceful coexistence.
I'd say that humanity does improve (compare today's levels of tolerance and respect for others' beliefs to even sixty years ago, you'll see what i mean), but not nearly as fast as we'd like it to.
 

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Paksenarrion said:
Stone Wera said:
Raijha said:
Now I may be wrong about this, so don't get too excited, but aren't humans the only one who commit any of those acts to the total annihilation and extinction of other species? I mean, I've never heard of, like, anteaters wiping an entire sub-species of ants out. Maybe, iunno, locusts or some other type of swarming bug managing to kill an entire species of fauna? That's really the only example I can think of. Again, I could be entirely wrong.
A cat once killed off an entire species of flightless birds. A single housecat. I'm not even joking. It was on an island, the cat wiped them out before anyone realized that there was an endemic species there.
wat.

How the heck did that cat get onto that island? Did it swim to the island or something? Jeez, it's almost like some human brought it over on a boat or plane or something.
Yes, I believe a lighthouse was built on the island, and the man working on the lighthouse brought with him a cat.