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Issurru

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Etherlad said:
Issurru said:
But I somehow managed to miss out on the pirate chick (if someone could tell me where/when I could get her that would help :D)
Yeah you can easily miss Isabella.
You can recruit her during first act in the Pub but only after you recruited Anders.
Awesome, thank you. Now all I need to do is decide who my next play-through will be as, Warrior or Rogue? As well as which play-through will be the funny guy, and who will be Mr.Angry Pants :p
 

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I'll just repost this here from another thread:

Concerning the quest with the Kirkwall Killer (the one who eventually kills your mother):

Wasnt the Killer Count whatshisname where the Templar soandso sends you in act 2 because he has a hunch?
In my first playthrough i let that Count live and i'm pretty sure he's the one killing my mother later. So on my second playthrough i chased him thorugh his mansion and eventually killed him only to see my mother die later anyway. Like WHAT THE FUCK?
Was i confused and that Count wasn't the killer or did the game replace the count with a random NPC just to show me whatever i do, it doesn't matter?
 

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Etherlad said:
I'll just repost this here from another thread:

Concerning the quest with the Kirkwall Killer (the one who eventually kills your mother):

Wasnt the Killer Count whatshisname where the Templar soandso sends you in act 2 because he has a hunch?
In my first playthrough i let that Count live and i'm pretty sure he's the one killing my mother later. So on my second playthrough i chased him thorugh his mansion and eventually killed him only to see my mother die later anyway. Like WHAT THE FUCK?
Was i confused and that Count wasn't the killer or did the game replace the count with a random NPC just to show me whatever i do, it doesn't matter?
It wasn't the Count in my game, it was a random Blood Mage who was sending flowers to random people who looked like his ex-wife, to take parts from them. I let the Count escape first, got into the ambush, told the Templars about him, then ended up having the mother killed by the other guy. If you let the Count live, is he actually the killer? Damn, that sucks. :(
 

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Dragonborne88 said:
If you let the Count live, is he actually the killer? Damn, that sucks. :(
I'm not sure, that's why i'm asking. Could be a random NPC either way that just looks pretty similar to that Count. Pretty fucking terrible solution for a story that arcs over all chapters and is supposed to impact on you by killing a important NPC:
 

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Seriously? Aveline is probably the most "real", fleshed out character in the whole game, unlike the oversexed (Isabella) or outright retarded (Merrill) females in the game.

Her advancement throughout the story of the game, unlike the other characters who apparently don't change at all and have no personal agenda over the years makes me believe she either was the first character designed for the game and the others were just rushed in or the guy writing her (the same guy who wrote Garrus for Mass Effect btw) is a genius who really cares for his characters.
I found Aveline to be my favourite companion, not to mention the most useful (I played rogue first time so I needed a tank).

But even the characters that were fairly one-note (Fenris, Isabela) had great interaction and dialogue with other party members. I basically considered Aveline, Varric and Hawke to be the main characters with everyone else as the supporting cast.
 

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Etherlad said:
Dragonborne88 said:
If you let the Count live, is he actually the killer? Damn, that sucks. :(
I'm not sure, that's why i'm asking. Could be a random NPC either way that just looks pretty similar to that Count. Pretty fucking terrible solution for a story that arcs over all chapters and is supposed to impact on you by killing a important NPC:
I thought it was some random bloodmage as well. That count is trying to find the murderer as well (that is why the Templer saw so many leads ending at him. He was trying to trap the murderer as well). Must say that the death of you mother was really a creepy and sad. Though when Gamlen told me she received those white flowers i was like OH SHIT not my mom.

It was a little sad for my character though lost Carver to the darkspawn , my sister in the deep road and mom to the sicko :/ (and my relationship with Gamlen wasn't that good either.


Most used team in my first playthrough me(warrior) , Fenris , Varric and Anders/Merril
 

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D Moness said:
Etherlad said:
Dragonborne88 said:
If you let the Count live, is he actually the killer? Damn, that sucks. :(
I'm not sure, that's why i'm asking. Could be a random NPC either way that just looks pretty similar to that Count. Pretty fucking terrible solution for a story that arcs over all chapters and is supposed to impact on you by killing a important NPC:
I thought it was some random bloodmage as well. That count is trying to find the murderer as well (that is why the Templer saw so many leads ending at him. He was trying to trap the murderer as well). Must say that the death of you mother was really a creepy and sad. Though when Gamlen told me she received those white flowers i was like OH SHIT not my mom.

It was a little sad for my character though lost Carver to the darkspawn , my sister in the deep road and mom to the sicko :/ (and my relationship with Gamlen wasn't that good either.


Most used team in my first playthrough me(warrior) , Fenris , Varric and Anders/Merril
I didn't really like Gamlen, but after you become Champion, he apologized and said that he was sure my mother would be proud. I went from all Hostile dialog to Kind ones with him from then on. Poor guy. :(
 

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ahh...the count is dupuis. no he's not the killer and he didn't involved in direct way. it doesn't matter if he got killed or not. his fault was not telling hawke that he knew who was the white lily killer
 

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Falseprophet said:
Etherlad said:
Seriously? Aveline is probably the most "real", fleshed out character in the whole game, unlike the oversexed (Isabella) or outright retarded (Merrill) females in the game.

Her advancement throughout the story of the game, unlike the other characters who apparently don't change at all and have no personal agenda over the years makes me believe she either was the first character designed for the game and the others were just rushed in or the guy writing her (the same guy who wrote Garrus for Mass Effect btw) is a genius who really cares for his characters.
I found Aveline to be my favourite companion, not to mention the most useful (I played rogue first time so I needed a tank).

But even the characters that were fairly one-note (Fenris, Isabela) had great interaction and dialogue with other party members. I basically considered Aveline, Varric and Hawke to be the main characters with everyone else as the supporting cast.
i love aveline "donic" quest especially if you bring isabela, hawkes face was priceless :D
 

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I tend to agree with a lot of people here. I really liked Orsino, i thought he was generally trying to lead and do the right thing.
He even offered to have himself and the mages imprisoned indefinitely to spare them being killed.

Having him turn to blood magic at the last minute really irked me.

One of the biggest fail for me though was how in Act I you take Flemeth to the Free Marches
and before that she talks about our
destiny and all this crap and then she turns into a dragon
and flies off never to be seen again in the entire game. Like WTF?

What was she even in the story for? and how is she known so well by the daelish?
 

Dragonborne88

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So, an update since I just beat the game tonight!

So, Merill's quest. Jesus was that depressing. Plus, I'm pretty sure my Dalish Warden isn't going to be happy that I pretty much just slaughtered his entire clan and family other then Merill. Though, it wasn't my fault. They attacked me first.

The 3rd Act, while I can see where it fell apart at the end with the DBZ jumping and glowy red eyes and whatnot going on, was pretty awesome. Full of a lot of epic moments, that I kept loving. I was a Mage, and ended up siding with the Knight-Commander Meridith at the end.

I'm STILL trying to figure out what exactly Anders hoped to accomplish with blowing up the Chantry...yeah, I don't agree with the Chantry 100%, but BLOWING IT UP wasn't exactly the smartest path to take. Considering it contained the 1 person who could help the situation. "It was too late", well yeah! It is now! I know he wants them to be free and all, but now they are going to be scorned by EVERYBODY...so I stabbed his dumb self.
 

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I sided with the Templars because it seemed other than their leader that they were doing a pretty good job considering that basically every single Mage was using blood magic. Heck, even Meredith made a lot of sense when she enacted the Rite of Annulment. Quite literally EVERY SINGLE ONE of the mages turned to blood magic. When Anders did his own thing I executed him on the spot.

What made it confusing is at the end it says that the actions gave rise to the mages all over the world to stand against the Templars. WTF? I fucking massacred them brutally, every single last one, for the continual use of blood magic that they used through the whole goddamn game. Why would anyone think "oh gee that's a great idea" after seeing others become abominations and then all die. I would have thought it would serve a pretty good lesson about the perils of blood magic.

Other than that, I couldn't stand the passive nature of the combat in DA:O (auto attack, have mages do everything and win) so I ultimately preferred DA 2.
 

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Indecipherable said:
I sided with the Templars because it seemed other than their leader that they were doing a pretty good job considering that basically every single Mage was using blood magic. Heck, even Meredith made a lot of sense when she enacted the Rite of Annulment. Quite literally EVERY SINGLE ONE of the mages turned to blood magic. When Anders did his own thing I executed him on the spot.

What made it confusing is at the end it says that the actions gave rise to the mages all over the world to stand against the Templars. WTF? I fucking massacred them brutally, every single last one, for the continual use of blood magic that they used through the whole goddamn game. Why would anyone think "oh gee that's a great idea" after seeing others become abominations and then all die. I would have thought it would serve a pretty good lesson about the perils of blood magic.

Other than that, I couldn't stand the passive nature of the combat in DA:O (auto attack, have mages do everything and win) so I ultimately preferred DA 2.
Yeah, during the epilogue, it said that the Mages saw me as the potential for what Mages could do or something...wait, you mean side with Templars and slaughter all the other Mages in the tower? Yeah, I suppose I could be seen as that. It was kinda neat seeing the Templar all bow before me, and Dragon Age 3 will be neat if Miss. Mage-Leading-Templar Hawke takes a play in it.

And I don't know why they rallied behind Anders either, I thought he made a monumentally stupid decision that made me feel like the Templar were right, and killed him right afterward...yeah Mages, that is a CLEAR sign to rebel.
 

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Indecipherable said:
What made it confusing is at the end it says that the actions gave rise to the mages all over the world to stand against the Templars. WTF? I fucking massacred them brutally, every single last one, for the continual use of blood magic that they used through the whole goddamn game. Why would anyone think "oh gee that's a great idea" after seeing others become abominations and then all die. I would have thought it would serve a pretty good lesson about the perils of blood magic.
Most revolutions begin with a big loss. :) I thought it made sense, there was a very delicate balance between the two sides and basically anything big would set it all off, no matter who won that first battle. You could imagine other mage circles wanting to avenge what happened. It's a bit of a fanwank but I interpreted it this way.
 

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Honestly, I can certainly understand the fair share of criticism this game has received. Myself, I'm a lvl 17 mage, in act 3, and have just uninstalled the game, because I can't continue. It feels like going to work to grind this piece of crap. And after hearing even from fan boys that the ending was disappointing, heck, I'm seriously worried, since I've been disappointed right from the start.

First, I started to play up to lvl 7 as a mage, until I realized "Hey, this is really boring." So I rerolled a rogue. Same result, this was boring as hell. Then a warrior. Didn't matter, since the combat mechanics sucks.

The BIG problem is the game revolves altogether around the combat (well, that's how it turns out when you can't walk 5 meters without being assaulted by 50 smugglers in 3 waves). So the game just can't fail in this key aspect of the game. Well, too bad the combat SUCKS then. It doesn't matter if you're a mage, rogue or warrior, you're going to autoattack mobs until you cry. It's ALL about the frigging cooldowns, which are absurdly long.

High level mages get away a little bit more from autoattacking, but it's still pretty bad. Cunning based rogues focused on backstabbing and such, and twohanded warriors are going to autoattack until they cry. Sword and shield are so incredibly dull to play you might kill yourself from the experience.

You get boatloads of sustained abilities, but who the heck wanted to autoattack in the first place? "You get +10% autoattack damage!" That's like garnishing turds with sprinkles. Apparently, it's a little bit more "fun" in the console versions, where you button mash your autoattacks, while you in the PC version occassionaly press "R", yawns some more and then fire away some spell that FINALLY got out of cooldown.

And tactics, forget about tactics, since EVERY FRIGGING FIGHT has 2-5 frigging waves in it! Graaaaaaagh! It is all about the cooldowns anyway, so just spam away and... autoattack until you can do something again.

The other characters are as interesting as chewing cardboard, the side missions are even more pathetic than you would expect in a MMORPG, it's "gather 5 rat tails" in bunches here, which is just... if you don't have the time to fill in even mediocre missions, just DON'T try to make the game looking longer than it is. The main story is amazingly un-epic. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against grill stick adventuring, but when it's this boring, I really don't know.

I'm so frigging sick of Kirkwall and its surroundings that I might throw up. The same cave, warehouse and back alley, over and over and over and over and over again. Seriously, is the WHOLE GAME revolving around this dung pile of a city?

This repetitive crap doesn't even come close to being a worthy followup of the first game. Combat is boring as hell, the game is repetitive as hell, the characters are as uninspiring as the main story and the side missions feel like they are just there to make the main story look better.

And don't even get me started on the main character. Is he/ she an idiot, or does Bioware believe the people playing their games are idiots? Three standardized, incredibly black & white answers, where all three feel incredibly stupid pretty much all the time. If I could, I would let my main character be mute. Better to shut up and be a suspected fool, than opening up and remove all doubts.

What was the whole point of importing your character save from game 1? I've heard maybe ONE VAGUE reference from the first adventure. Why even call it a sequel?

The graphics is simply but embarrassing if you don't play it on Windows 7. I don't, so the game looks like it's 10 years old, on a 10 year old computer. I don't really care about graphics that much, but when everything else is crap, it only highlights the amount of fail.

A game can't get more consolified and dumbified than this. I loved the first game, I'm a big roleplay nerd, but this pile of dung? I can't stand any of it.

3/10. I'm extremely disappointed.
 

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Dragonborne88 said:
Loved the cameos from the characters from the first game. Alistair is a bit on the ugly side with the new models, but Leliana was MUCH improved, and had a sweet scene. Zevran was...Zevran. Got me a few good laughs at his section.
I'm actually impressed with how much actually transferred over with my DA:O save.
I also was surpised to see so many cameos as well especially Zevran - considering I killed him on the play through I uploaded... I always found his character a bit annoying (that might put me in a minority)and I ended up killing him in most of my playthroughs. I wasn't too happy to see him make a reappearance. I guess Bioware looked over the fact that some people might have actually killed the guy in Origins.
 

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gritch said:
Dragonborne88 said:
Loved the cameos from the characters from the first game. Alistair is a bit on the ugly side with the new models, but Leliana was MUCH improved, and had a sweet scene. Zevran was...Zevran. Got me a few good laughs at his section.
I'm actually impressed with how much actually transferred over with my DA:O save.
I also was surpised to see so many cameos as well especially Zevran - considering I killed him on the play through I uploaded... I always found his character a bit annoying (that might put me in a minority)and I ended up killing him in most of my playthroughs. I wasn't too happy to see him make a reappearance. I guess Bioware looked over the fact that some people might have actually killed the guy in Origins.
Where is the Zevran cameo, i played the game (almost all the side quests) and can not remember seeing him (i killed him in origins(well he turned on me so i had to))
 

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D Moness said:
Where is the Zevran cameo, i played the game (almost all the side quests) and can not remember seeing him (i killed him in origins(well he turned on me so i had to))
In Act 3 a group of "nobles" from Antiva show up out side of the Red Rose. Talking to them can start a quest that leads you to Zevran.
 

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gritch said:
In Act 3 a group of "nobles" from Antiva show up out side of the Red Rose. Talking to them can start a quest that leads you to Zevran.
I will try to remember for my second playthrough.

What i do find a shame is whatever group you decide to join (mercs or thiefs) it doesn't have any effect on the crafting npc's you know. It would have been more fun if the crafting npc's were named differently depending what side you picked.