*Spoilers* Mass effect 3 extended cut

[Hawk of Battle]

Wow, so it turns out you CAN polish a turd! I am fucking amazed.

 

[Sneezeguard]

You know something is really bothering me, the catalyst lives on the citadel/is the citadel and is an a.i. and sovereign invades the citadel in the first game to open the the mass relay for the reaper fleet to invade.

Why couldn't the catalyst do that instead? ya know considering it is him or something..

 

[Loethlin]

Wow, so it turns out you CAN polish a turd! I am fucking amazed.

Confirmed! [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiJ9fy1qSFI]

Frankly I had no hope that this DLC will change a thing. I'm pleasantly surprised because, despite it being far from perfect and far from what I imagined ME3 should end, and that shiny kid pulled from Casey Hudson's ass remain, at least I got a little bit of closure. So yay, I suppose?

 

[Loop Stricken]

So. Apparently confronting the starchild with the fact that his plan is completely retarded causes Casey Hudson to flip you off and end the game.

But hey, if you're willing sit shut up and take it like a man/ladyman then every choice you make is a happy ending!

We win?

It was explicitly stated before your meeting with Harbinger that beating the reapers gun vs gun is impossible. Your goal was to delay them long enough to use the goddamn crucible.

Uhuh. I was referring to the starchild's plan to 'save' all sentient life in the galaxy from possibly destroying themselves with synthetics. By murdering every sentient being in the galaxy. With synthetics.

Apparently it would compromise Bioware's artisic vision for Shepard tell our special needs overlord that he isn't fit to flip burgers at a Denny's, let alone decide the fate of all life in the galaxy.

That's been changed somewhat to "Reapers take all advanced organic and synthetic life and preserve it in the form of Reapers".
... still stupid, but... yeah.

 

[LHZA]

It's acceptable. Still mildly confused but I'm done with Mass Effect 3, have been for some time, not even playing multiplayer anyone. Now I hope Bioware can get back to working on new stuff, like Dragon Age 3, or even Mass Effect 4. Till then I'll be playing Skyrim, oh, and that Dishonored game looks pretty cool, when does that come out again?

 

[SpaceBat]

I could honestly live with him being alive *or* dead, but frickin' decide! Give an ending, not more open-to-interpretation-non-committed-unexplained bullshit!

I actually like it when game developers/movie writers don't treat us as a child by chewing out everything and actually let certain things up to the viewer to decide.

My problem with his survival is more on how he was able to survive, not what happens afterwards.

Uhuh. I was referring to the starchild's plan to 'save' all sentient life in the galaxy from possibly destroying themselves with synthetics. By murdering every sentient being in the galaxy. With synthetics.

I must be missing something as I really don't get why people keep saying this. This part of your post doesn't make sense.

- The reapers/starchild believe that in order to prolong the existence of sentient life (not all), it needs to get rid of synthetics, which will eventually destroy organics.
- The fact that the Geth are helping us now doesn't mean shit. Geth generally function on logic rather than feelings, expand much faster and are superior to organics. What the starchild basically means is that it is very possible that in the future, synthetics will turn against organics (when they're no longer useful, when they're completely overpowered or whatever you can think of) and they want to prevent that (also prevent the synthetics from becoming too powerful).
- By eradicating all synthetics and organics that are capable of creating synthetics, you give other, newly blooming or yet primitive organic life the chance to evolve and bloom. They're not murdering every sentient life, they're not trying to save all sentient life, they're trying to ensure the existence of organic life as a whole. Current powerful species in mass effect =/= All sentient life.

I'm not saying that his logic isn't flawed (as that's the point of the ending), I'm just trying to understand what the problem is.

 

[Loop Stricken]

I could honestly live with him being alive *or* dead, but frickin' decide! Give an ending, not more open-to-interpretation-non-committed-unexplained bullshit!

I actually like it when game developers/movie writers don't treat us as a child by chewing out everything and actually let certain things up to the viewer to decide.

My problem with his survival is more on how he was able to survive, not what happens afterwards.

He's not entirely synthetic. He's still got a considerable amount of fleshy bits in him.

 

[SpaceBat]

He's not entirely synthetic. He's still got a considerable amount of fleshy bits in him.

I didn't mean to ask how he survived the anti-mecha beam of death, I meant that I don't get how he survived the huge explosion and the possible crash to earth, as he was in the middle of all of it.

Shepard is quite strong, but he's not that strong.

 

[Phlakes]

Well, it was completely unnecessary.

Dissatisfied people: "But where did the crew go after the beam sequence?"
Other people: "The Normandy probably picked them up."

And then, what a surprise, the Normandy picked them up.

DP: "But why was the Normandy so far away?"
OP: "They probably didn't want to stick around in case the Crucible fucked shit up."

And then, what a surprise, there was an organized rendezvous out of the system.

DP: "But what happened to the Normandy after crashing?"
OP: "Well, it's not like there are people on board who are capable of fixing ships. Probably did that and went on their way."

And then, although it wasn't shown exactly how, the ship was able to, and did, go on its way.

DP: "But what happened to all the other races like the krogan who I saved form the genophage?"
OP: "Probably rebuilt and made babies or whatever."

And then, what a surprise, they rebuilt and made babies or whatever.

DP: "But if the mass relays explode, wouldn't they destroy the systems they're in?"
OP: "They don't explode. Nothing affected by the space magic was ever shown exploding. In fact the Reapers themselves were shown basically being EMPed."

And then, what a surprise, the relays didn't explode.

DP: "But what happens to galactic civilization with the relays destroyed?"
OP: "Probably fucking rebuilt."

And then, what a surprise, they rebuilt.

And yes, every one of those is something that I've heard and seen answered before today.

Apparently no one can believe anything anymore unless it's given directly to them.

 

[SpaceBat]

snip

Yeah, pretty much. The extended cut concentrated less on fixing actual issues and more on explaining situations for people who didn't have the time or capacity to think these things up themselves. Nearly everything that has been added, was already explained by people with functioning braincells a long time ago and only a few of the glaring issues were legitimately fixed.

 

[Loop Stricken]

Maybe the nonfunctioning but still existing synthetic parts of him make him a resilient bastard?

 

[Admiral Stukov]

I'll just copy-paste what I said in the other ME3 EC thread:

Well I just wrote an extensive... thing about it. It's wasting space at the review section, see link if you're for some reason interested.
My ramblings about the ME3 EC. [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/326.380045-Mass-Effect-3-EC-my-thoughts#14921611]

 

[Rawne1980]

It could have been worse.

They could have made you pay for that EC DLC.

I was beginning to question whether I was wise returning my copy of ME3 coming up to this DLC .... I no longer question it.

Was worth watching on Youtube but wouldn't have been worth playing through it again just for, what is essentially, a longer version of the shit we already had.

I just feel a bit bad for Vault. She was so hoping for that Indoctrination Theory to pull through and they gave her this.

 

[Phlakes]

snip

Yeah, pretty much. The extended cut concentrated less on fixing actual issues and more on explaining situations for people who didn't have the time or capacity to think these things up themselves. Nearly everything that has been added, was already explained by people with functioning braincells a long time ago and only a few of the glaring issues were legitimately fixed.

It's strange, I have a lot more respect for the people who still aren't satisfied. Anyone who thinks this makes it right in their eyes is pretty much admitting to, like you said, not having the time or capacity to think. At least everyone else has good reasons.

 

[boag]

Well, it was completely unnecessary.

Dissatisfied people: "But where did the crew go after the beam sequence?"
Other people: "The Normandy probably picked them up."

And then, what a surprise, the Normandy picked them up.

DP: "But why was the Normandy so far away?"
OP: "They probably didn't want to stick around in case the Crucible fucked shit up."

And then, what a surprise, there was an organized rendezvous out of the system.

DP: "But what happened to the Normandy after crashing?"
OP: "Well, it's not like there are people on board who are capable of fixing ships. Probably did that and went on their way."

And then, although it wasn't shown exactly how, the ship was able to, and did, go on its way.

DP: "But what happened to all the other races like the krogan who I saved form the genophage?"
OP: "Probably rebuilt and made babies or whatever."

And then, what a surprise, they rebuilt and made babies or whatever.

DP: "But if the mass relays explode, wouldn't they destroy the systems they're in?"
OP: "They don't explode. Nothing affected by the space magic was ever shown exploding. In fact the Reapers themselves were shown basically being EMPed."

And then, what a surprise, the relays didn't explode.

DP: "But what happens to galactic civilization with the relays destroyed?"
OP: "Probably fucking rebuilt."

And then, what a surprise, they rebuilt.

And yes, every one of those is something that I've heard and seen answered before today.

Apparently no one can believe anything anymore unless it's given directly to them.

its amazing what retcons can do to fix glaring issues in story telling isnt it?

nice to see they actually tried fixing some things and making shit clear.

also glad to see Biowares time is almost up

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ericsavitz/2012/06/22/electronic-arts-citi-cuts-rating-sees-few-positive-catalysts/

 

[Loop Stricken]

DP: "But if the mass relays explode, wouldn't they destroy the systems they're in?"
OP: "They don't explode. Nothing affected by the space magic was ever shown exploding. In fact the Reapers themselves were shown basically being EMPed."

They did explode though. That's what all the fire was. Explosion.

As for the rest of it, it's just a shit and lazy ending that doesn't show this.

 

[OniaPL]

definitely an improvement I feel in terms of closure to the characters I've grown fond of
but still leaves many questions unanswered.

Mostly I'm still confused regarding the synthesis ending.

With the same modified DNA structure how are organics affected by their new synthetic side? and vice versa how are synthetics affected by their new organic nature? is everybody now "connected" and linked to each other like the geth were? Does a collective consciousness/hive mind now exist in the galaxy?

As far as I understood, Synthetics are now able to "understand" which implies they all feel the emotions and see things from the perspective that organics might see it, and therefore attaining individuality in the process.
Organics gained a synthetic structure which allows them to evolve through technology beyond the limits of pure organics, therefore synthetics won't be superior to organics and organics won't have to create synthetics.

No hivemind. Everyone is still an individual. Whether or not some sort of telepathy exists, I dunno.

 

[OniaPL]

Well, it was completely unnecessary.

Dissatisfied people: "But where did the crew go after the beam sequence?"
Other people: "The Normandy probably picked them up."

And then, what a surprise, the Normandy picked them up.

DP: "But why was the Normandy so far away?"
OP: "They probably didn't want to stick around in case the Crucible fucked shit up."

And then, what a surprise, there was an organized rendezvous out of the system.

DP: "But what happened to the Normandy after crashing?"
OP: "Well, it's not like there are people on board who are capable of fixing ships. Probably did that and went on their way."

And then, although it wasn't shown exactly how, the ship was able to, and did, go on its way.

DP: "But what happened to all the other races like the krogan who I saved form the genophage?"
OP: "Probably rebuilt and made babies or whatever."

And then, what a surprise, they rebuilt and made babies or whatever.

DP: "But if the mass relays explode, wouldn't they destroy the systems they're in?"
OP: "They don't explode. Nothing affected by the space magic was ever shown exploding. In fact the Reapers themselves were shown basically being EMPed."

And then, what a surprise, the relays didn't explode.

DP: "But what happens to galactic civilization with the relays destroyed?"
OP: "Probably fucking rebuilt."

And then, what a surprise, they rebuilt.

And yes, every one of those is something that I've heard and seen answered before today.

Apparently no one can believe anything anymore unless it's given directly to them.

its amazing what retcons can do to fix glaring issues in story telling isnt it?

nice to see they actually tried fixing some things and making shit clear.

also glad to see Biowares time is almost up

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ericsavitz/2012/06/22/electronic-arts-citi-cuts-rating-sees-few-positive-catalysts/

Oh come on, the stuff was already clear as fuck. People were just jumping in the "OHMAHGUD Y U SO BAD" bandwagon mentality.
People just had to go all insane over this stuff.

And I just can't understand those who prefer the rejection ending because "It is the only one where you don't let the terrorists win".

 

[boag]

Well, it was completely unnecessary.

Dissatisfied people: "But where did the crew go after the beam sequence?"
Other people: "The Normandy probably picked them up."

And then, what a surprise, the Normandy picked them up.

DP: "But why was the Normandy so far away?"
OP: "They probably didn't want to stick around in case the Crucible fucked shit up."

And then, what a surprise, there was an organized rendezvous out of the system.

DP: "But what happened to the Normandy after crashing?"
OP: "Well, it's not like there are people on board who are capable of fixing ships. Probably did that and went on their way."

And then, although it wasn't shown exactly how, the ship was able to, and did, go on its way.

DP: "But what happened to all the other races like the krogan who I saved form the genophage?"
OP: "Probably rebuilt and made babies or whatever."

And then, what a surprise, they rebuilt and made babies or whatever.

DP: "But if the mass relays explode, wouldn't they destroy the systems they're in?"
OP: "They don't explode. Nothing affected by the space magic was ever shown exploding. In fact the Reapers themselves were shown basically being EMPed."

And then, what a surprise, the relays didn't explode.

DP: "But what happens to galactic civilization with the relays destroyed?"
OP: "Probably fucking rebuilt."

And then, what a surprise, they rebuilt.

And yes, every one of those is something that I've heard and seen answered before today.

Apparently no one can believe anything anymore unless it's given directly to them.

its amazing what retcons can do to fix glaring issues in story telling isnt it?

nice to see they actually tried fixing some things and making shit clear.

also glad to see Biowares time is almost up

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ericsavitz/2012/06/22/electronic-arts-citi-cuts-rating-sees-few-positive-catalysts/

Oh come on, the stuff was already clear as fuck. People were just jumping in the "OHMAHGUD Y U SO BAD" bandwagon mentality.
People just had to go all insane over this stuff.

Well, lets see for starters.

They retconned Normandy getting her engines blown up, not Normandy escapes the blast wave undamaged.

The Relays no longer explode, they now kinda get disabled, which is a huge difference.


so yeah, those 2 fix address major questions that were left before.

 

[BlindWorg]

Heres a metaphor story on my thoughts on the subject after seeing it personally:

There was a splendid doctor who helped enrich peoples lives with his work. But this doctor crippled one of my limbs in delibaretly or accidently, doesnt matter, whatever happened was very unprofessional, unlike of it and unexpected of this doctor.

After sometime this doctor decided to help heal this crippled limb, doesnt matter what his motivation for it was but it did it. It made an exoskeleton to make it possible to move and use this limb. Sure, it was unwiedly and i would never be able to use the limb normally again but it helped a little. I thanked this doctor for mending what it could but i never would forgive it for crippling the limb in the first place and most propably would avoid his services in the future.

/end deep and thought provoking philosophy thingamabob garble