- May 2, 2020
I was saying that having Palpatine as the main villain of RoS could've worked decently and while still following along with what The Last Jedi set up. Sure, it would've been far better to complete Kylo Ren's arc and have him be the Big Bad or something but Palpatine could've worked just fine as the core villain of RoS without having to compromise anything The Last Jedi did.Hawki said:Even Palpatine coming back, while not the worst thing in the world, is iffy for me. I could have bought it if there was even the slightest hint of him surviving in TFA or Last Jedi, but there simply isn't. And it undercuts TFA for me, because one of the most interesting ideas in the film (what few of them there were) was the idea of the Dark Side operating through proxies. First the Sith, then the Empire, now the First Order. With Palpatine coming back, it undercuts this idea, in that everything that's gone wrong for the setting since Episode I can be lain at his feet. This isn't inherently a bad idea, but I've seen it done poorly before, and it's done poorly here.immortalfrieza said:Rian Johnson did not write JJ Abrams into a corner, The Last Jedi had plenty there that JJ Abrams could've built off of, even Palpatine coming back could've fit just fine into everything. JJ Abrams refused to make use of what Rian Johnson put up and RoS is a much worse film than it could've been because of it.
Let's see... there's quite a bit that The Last Jedi set up that Rise of Skywalker squandered.Dansen said:What did TLJ set up exactly? Luke's arc finishes when he decides to get involved again and sacrifice himself. The Kylo/Rey team up was teased and slapped down in the same scene it appears. Holdo dies, Snoke dies, Phasma dies, all inconsequentially. Finn Poe and Rose accomplish nothing and may as well not been in the film. TLJ sets up nothing. Rey's supposed lack of lineage is fine but you can't make a film out of that so the Palpatine ass pull was inevitable as soon as Snoke died. The cluster fuck came from TLJ "tearing it all down".immortalfrieza said:All I can really say at this point is that the worst part of all of it is how they went out of their way to ignore or retcon nearly everything that occurred in The Last Jedi in this movie. I don't care whether you like TLJ or didn't, the fact is The Rise of Skywalker would've been a much much better and more coherent movie had they simply followed through with what TLJ set up in it's plot instead of acting like TLJ didn't exist. The Trilogy as a whole is now worse as a direct result of Rise of Skywalker.
Rian Johnson did not write JJ Abrams into a corner, The Last Jedi had plenty there that JJ Abrams could've built off of, even Palpatine coming back could've fit just fine into everything. JJ Abrams refused to make use of what Rian Johnson put up and RoS is a much worse film than it could've been because of it.
The Last Jedi reduced The Resistance to a handful and Rise of Skywalker didn't follow up on it. Hell, a whole TV series could've been made on the premise of rebuilding The Resistance back up on it's own. However, Rise of Skywalker just begins with The Resistance pretty much right back where they were at the beginning of The Last Jedi, if not stronger without any explanation.
Rey is now the grandchild of Palpatine instead of a nobody making Star Wars a tale of blue bloods once again. All the potential made for other future characters because Rey was a nobody yet still is so powerful The Last Jedi established is thrown out as a result.
Kylo Ren goes from head of the First Order in The Last Jedi to Palpatine's ***** in place of Snoke and then redeems himself instead of finishing his arc and taking center stage as the Big Bad.
Rise of Skywalker shoves aside Rose Tico in every scene she could've been in and nearly every scene she could have been in is done by some random black woman Finn meets. The worst part about that one is even if it wasn't the intention it looks like they're giving a win to the trolls that were harassing Rose's actress. Not to mention how DJ apparently has gotten away with screwing over the whole galaxy scot free.
No mention is made of Rey building a new Jedi Order especially a more grey one fitting with what Luke said. Maybe it'll happen in future installments but that would be much more interesting than just a repeat of the Old Jedi Order.
And there's more, but that's what immediately comes to mind. Rise of Skywalker is just good enough overall that I don't hate it in spite of this, but if they had gone along with the plot points of The Last Jedi instead of avoiding or removing them the movie would've been a lot better. There was plenty that The Last Jedi set up that could've been and should've been made use of but Rise of Skywalker failed to do that and a LOT of great stuff is thrown away as a result.