Star Wars Artist Says The Force Awakens Will Be Best Star Wars "Ever"

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Darth Rosenberg said:
Quite, it is conjecture
Exactly, and until it's specifically stated that the lightsaber's hilt is made of Mandalorian iron, then people are perfectly justified in calling it a Shitty McShitastic design. You of all people should be on my side with this. :p
 

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RJ 17 said:
Darth Rosenberg said:
Quite, it is conjecture
Exactly, and until it's specifically stated that the lightsaber's hilt is made of Mandalorian iron, then people are perfectly justified in calling it a Shitty McShitastic design. You of all people should be on my side with this. :p
You excluded/ignored the context for my comment, but whatevs.

For the record, precisely why do you have a problem with the design?
 

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Darth Rosenberg said:
Ukomba said:
Mandalorian Iron is EU, and thus for doesn't exist any more.
...ahem:
Darth Rosenberg said:
*pause for protestations about EU being wiped out*

Kinda, but that doesn't mean they won't be being 'inspired' by all kinds of stories and ideas in the EU, ergo it's entirely reasonable for that hilt's, er, quillon emitters to be Mandalorian iron.
Ukomba said:
Of course, the way Disney is operating, they'll probably introduce introduce a new, and ENTIRELY ORIGINAL Mandalorian Steel that can resist lightsabers.

It's the kind of disrespectful pillaging of EU ideas that is growing more common. I fully expect something like a red eyed, Pantoran, Grand Admiral named Thorn, or something, to show up in Rebels at some point.

Would fit with Not Jason, joining the Not Revanites, wearing a Not Revan mask, Not following the Legacy Era Books, ending (entirely coincidentally) with a fight against Not Jaina. Makes me wonder if he'll have had a daughter with a Not Tenel Ka before hand.
Hence why I said "that doesn't mean they won't be being 'inspired' by all kinds of stories and ideas in the EU". I've never been that familiar with the EU, so I've no issue with them plundering good ideas. Lucas tried to plunder his own ideas with the nu-trilogy, and so anything that isn't that happening again surely only bodes well. I'd love that mask to be Revan's, at least, and actually named as such.
If they want to use EU, then use EU, this kinda sorta s*** is irritating. It's made the Star Wars Universe more confusing, and the more they plagiarizer Legends canon but alter it to seem original, the worse it gets.

It's not "Revan's" Mask. Revanites are now "The Knights of Ren" and Revan is now Ren. I assume Darth Malak will now be Darth Stimpy. See, new name makes it original.
 

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Darth Rosenberg said:
RJ 17 said:
Darth Rosenberg said:
Quite, it is conjecture
Exactly, and until it's specifically stated that the lightsaber's hilt is made of Mandalorian iron, then people are perfectly justified in calling it a Shitty McShitastic design. You of all people should be on my side with this. :p
You excluded/ignored the context for my comment, but whatevs.
The context of your comment was irrelevant, seeing as how it has not been stated officially that Sith McCrossGuard's lightsaber is made of lightsaber-proof material. Any justification beyond that is pointless, regardless of the context, seeing as how it's still purely conjecture. To my point, however, there's nothing to lead anyone to believe that the lightsaber in question is made out of anything different than the lightsabers we've seen in every other movie...which have, on a couple occasions, been cut/destroyed by other lightsabers.

For the record, precisely why do you have a problem with the design?
This was answered in the post that your first quoted off of me in this topic:

RJ 17 said:
The design they're using just wouldn't work for it's intended purpose. Any lightsaber blade sliding down the blade of the lightsaber would a cross guard would just slide right through the side-beam's emitter.

A better design - that is, one that would actually function - would look something like this:



Have the side-beams curve back around, one crossing in front of the primary beam, the other crossing behind it. This way the enemy's blade is safely captured by the beams of your cross guard rather than slicing right through your cross guard's emitter.
Don't like that particular design? How about this one:

 

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Normally I'd dismiss such a statement as a marketing ploy, but this is Drew Struzan we're talking about. Consider my hype level raised a notch.

Man, people are STILL bitching about the saber? I present you Exhibit A:

Personally, I think they're just exhaust emitters. The blade looks more unstable and chaotic than your typical lightsaber, so it's probably not as efficient shunting off excess energy.

piscian said:

Oh, THANK you. God forbid the movie should surprise me in any way, shape or form. The "
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Nazulu said:
I see they kept that stupid looking saber in, and Han doesn't... look... well.
everytime i see harrison ford in an action movie i am reminded of this line from the-editing-room's "review" of expendables3:

"SYLVESTER STALLONE approaches HARRISON FORD, feebly hunched over with a cluster of medics sweating bullets just offscreen."
 

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Still optimistic for this movie. I plan to see it with friends at the earliest opportunity. Please don't suck.

RJ 17 said:
That looks worse than the lightsaber in the movie. Seriously. It looks awful. Like some sort of over-designed dildo.
 

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Johnny Novgorod said:
I'm sure he'll say that of every new movie.
I'm sure he found Transformers 4 the height of cinema. Well, the first half he probably saw, anyway.
 

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Saltyk said:
That looks worse than the lightsaber in the movie. Seriously. It looks awful. Like some sort of over-designed dildo.
Huh, and here I thought that's essentially what all lightsabers were in the first place.
 

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Neverhoodian said:
piscian said:

Oh, THANK you. God forbid the movie should surprise me in any way, shape or form. The "
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Harrison Ford wanted Han dead at the end of Empire, this isn't a surprise to anyone and is pretty much the only reason he's on the poster and featured in the trailers. He, Mark and Carrie are all in there for iconic nostalgia and the death of one of the key cast members from the original trilogy is a pretty basic plot device as a means to pass on the legacy from the old guard to the new generation. JJ Abrams is a master at employing tried and true plot devices in his body of works, he wouldn't dare try anything risky or unfavorable in the eyes of the fanbase for fear of crucifixtion.
 

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circularlogic88 said:
Harrison Ford wanted Han dead at the end of Empire, this isn't a surprise to anyone and is pretty much the only reason he's on the poster and featured in the trailers. He, Mark and Carrie are all in there for iconic nostalgia and the death of one of the key cast members from the original trilogy is a pretty basic plot device as a means to pass on the legacy from the old guard to the new generation. JJ Abrams is a master at employing tried and true plot devices in his body of works, he wouldn't dare try anything risky or unfavorable in the eyes of the fanbase for fear of crucifixtion.
You overestimate my exposure to J.J. Abrams' work. I don't think I've seen a single film of his.

I'm aware of Ford's feelings about Han Solo. Hell, I'm amazed they were able to get him to reprise the role at all. And yes, I knew something like a main character death was a possibility. I just would have preferred not to know exactly who it was, you know? For all I knew Solo was going to simply retire or something like that.
 

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That is a bold claim indeed. I have yet to see anything come even close to topping the space battle in Return of the Jedi, and because of that, it remains my favorite Star Wars film by far.

I hope this will be a good sign. I really want this movie to be good, but I'm still a bit worried that Abrams is the one in charge of the movie. Well, one way or another I'll find out in December.
 

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I don't know about the "best" since Empire is very hard to out do. I have a feeling Abrams has the chops to do this right, since his Star Trek movies were more akin to Star Wars in the Trek universe and honestly I did enjoy them (sue me I liked Into Darkness).
But will it surpass Empire? I'm not sure because that movie is very iconic to me. But as long as its nowhere near as poorly done as the prequels I'll be happy. And I do feel that its probably going to be much better than those awfully directed poodoo piles.
 

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RJ 17 said:
ecoho said:
Nazulu said:
I see they kept that stupid looking saber in, and Han doesn't... look... well.

I'm sure Disney had the money to get a functioning story for it without deviating to something dumb, leanrt not to put anything like Jar Jar in, and get a good cross between special effects and a realistic look to avoid anything appearing fake as shit, but it's still going to need more that to beat the originals. Or am I being too optimistic?
honestly why do people have such a problem with lightsaber cross guards?
As Nazulu mentions in his response: it's more about the design than the fact that it exists.

The design they're using just wouldn't work for it's intended purpose. Any lightsaber blade sliding down the blade of the lightsaber would a cross guard would just slide right through the side-beam's emitter.

A better design - that is, one that would actually function - would look something like this:



Have the side-beams curve back around, one crossing in front of the primary beam, the other crossing behind it. This way the enemy's blade is safely captured by the beams of your cross guard rather than slicing right through your cross guard's emitter.
but what if it wasn't meant for defense and more for offense? there were in fact large swords made in the Gothic age that had crossguards that were bladed and not intended for defense but for offense in the style that they used. so id say don't call it stupid till we see how its used in the movie, if they use it as you think then ill more then happily bash the hell out of it but if they use it like I think they will then it will be awesome:)
 

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Ukomba said:
Mandalorian Iron is EU, and thus for doesn't exist any more.
It still dose kinda

The MagnaGuards electro staffs were made with Phrik alloy, which is functionaly the same thing, but is still cannon.
 

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I wish that it will be. I often see trailers and promos with a negative backlash. Lately, the backlash was right. Think Fantastic 4. It's a crappy movie, but I was hoping that it would be good since it had actors and a director that I wanted to see succeed. But it didn't since of studio meddling and other problems.

However, this is Star Wars. It was THE franchise that started blockbuster movies. I liked the prequels until I was 14, but the more I saw the movies?the more I was disappointed. I really hope that J.J brings a solid movie.
For the record, 1975's Jaws was THE franchise that started blockbuster movies, but Star Wars took it to another level, mostly thanks to the merchandising and sequel quality (the rights of both having been secured by George Lucas before 20th Century Fox had any idea what kind of money making moster they had).
 

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RJ 17 said:
This was answered in the post that your first quoted off of me in this topic:
Ah, so it's just a 'practical' issue?

So finding fault with designs that can be compared to reality (weapon designs in DA:I) isn't allowed, or is niche over-analysis... yet picking at the purest of fantasy creations (lighstabers) is legit?

RJ 17 said:
How about this one:

Yeesh... A lightsaber has a forte, now? That text is trying to apply wholly vanilla fencing principles to lightsaber combat, which seems remarkably dopey.

As for the aesthetic (I'm ignoring the non-issue of functionality of a Force augmented sci-fi laser sword - Maris Brood's tonfa are still one of my all time fave designs and styles) itself; doesn't look especially shite, but that's about as much as you can say (I think the EU crossguard saber looks naff).

Ultimately, if anyone feels like they need to redesign Kylo Ren's saber, then they must also redesign all the films hilts and the very concept of the weapon itself. They could easily tweak the design with CG before release, but I really hope they don't 'cause after an initial double-take I think it looks - and sounds - badass (I like the idea and speculation that it's a Sith relic, which would further justify the esoteric design, given how weapon evolution is iterative).
 

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"Opinions vary, of course, but if it's even a fraction as "wonderful" as he's claimed, fans might finally have the sequel they've been wanting for decades."

Nup, sorry. I never watched 'Return of the Jedi' and thought "you know what this needs? A sequel!" As far as I was concerned, for those who DID want a sequel, we had the EU. Best of both worlds. Ah, good times...

Oh, and in the realm of opinions:

-Return of the Jedi is the best movie in the saga.

-The Empire Strikes Back isn't.

-The prequels aren't bad films (though I wouldn't call the first two "good"), and for me, are still a net positive.

-Revenge of the Sith is a good movie overall.

-At the end of the day, Han still shot first.

Come at me! XD
 

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RJ 17 said:
Nazulu said:
It's so lame. Couldn't they think of something more clever? Is it really that hard to expand on the light-saber?
Careful what you wish for...



:p
Hehehe. There was a whole heap of those that were funny.

I'm not a Star Wars fan so I have no idea what would piss 'em off, but what you think of the light-saber extending out and back when swinging a certain way? Or just throwing out a projectile slice like Oni Link? If you don't mind.

Darth Rosenberg said:
Nazulu said:
No they look a fuckton better actually, like some actual thought went into it.
Do you realise lightsabers themselves are a completely ridiculous concept already, right?
So we should just make it more ridiculous then? We ate up the original design already, going down paths that make even less practical sense is never a good idea. And as I said in post 11, it makes the whole universe seem stupidly slow if this is meant to be an improvement.

Ascarus said:
Nazulu said:
I see they kept that stupid looking saber in, and Han doesn't... look... well.
everytime i see harrison ford in an action movie i am reminded of this line from the-editing-room's "review" of expendables3:

"SYLVESTER STALLONE approaches HARRISON FORD, feebly hunched over with a cluster of medics sweating bullets just offscreen."
That got me. lol