Star Wars Artist Says The Force Awakens Will Be Best Star Wars "Ever"

[Elijin]

Mandalorian Iron is EU, and thus for doesn't exist any more.

Of course, the way Disney is operating, they'll probably introduce introduce a new, and ENTIRELY ORIGINAL Mandalorian Steel that can resist lightsabers.

It's the kind of disrespectful pillaging of EU ideas that is growing more common. I fully expect something like a red eyed, Pantoran, Grand Admiral named Thorn, or something, to show up in Rebels at some point.

Would fit with Not Jason, joining the Not Revanites, wearing a Not Revan mask, Not following the Legacy Era Books, ending (entirely coincidentally) with a fight against Not Jaina. Makes me wonder if he'll have had a daughter with a Not Tenel Ka before hand.

This is a lousy attitude. The EU is a ridiculous behemoth of a creature which is awful to work with. The rights are in new hands. Abolishing EU from canon doesnt mean they can ever use any of it. It actually directly paints the way from them to pull from the EU within the re-established brand without totally alienating audiences. Because to film goers and people who just watched the animated thing, the EU was a gross bloated thing which made certain knowledge assumed knowledge, but not presented to the audience.

Now they can present these ideas without the tons and tons of 'if you include this, youre referencing that, which leads to...'. They get to cherry pick the EU without having to drag every single bit of it in.

 

[Cycloptomese]

Well, I don?t think I trust that dude?s opinion. Either way, I don?t feel that the movie needs to be as good as any of the original trilogy movies. It just needs to capture the Star Wars magic that made me fall in love with the original trilogy to begin with.

The prequels failed at that task. I remember leaving the theater after first watching Phantom Menace. I was confused? I didn?t know what I had seen. I couldn?t even decide if I liked it( Except Jar-Jar? I knew that guy sucked). So I paid to see it again. Then it was confirmed. It was terrible.

So I?ve been burned before.

All prequel-hate aside, those new trailors look pretty sweet. But, I?ve got to keep my guard up. After all, I?ve been burned before.

Now don?t fuck me on this, Abrams!!!

 

[Radoh]

Have the side-beams curve back around, one crossing in front of the primary beam, the other crossing behind it. This way the enemy's blade is safely captured by the beams of your cross guard rather than slicing right through your cross guard's emitter.

It's also that it's treated like a step up, when it's such a simple concept that could've been thought up by anyone creating or using these weapons from the very beginning. Why wouldn't all of the Jedi and Siths have these sabers if it's meant to be an improvement?

It's so lame. Couldn't they think of something more clever? Is it really that hard to expand on the light-saber?

Problem being is that's not what they are going for with the crossguard. Watch the trailer that shows it off again and you'll see that the blade itself is bubbling and more unstable than any other shown lightsaber. Most lightsabers require ventilation which would usually be all around the base of it but this one does not have that. The idea being that since after Return of the Jedi there's like, one person left alive that knows the secret of building a good lightsaber, the crossguard one is just poorly designed in-universe.

I saw, but I'm contesting with all those saying it's an improvement. And frankly I think it's silly to show it at all really. It's obviously a gimmick to sell, and I can just imagine them trying to prove it's strengths in the film after so many called foul.

Personally I think the goal of that saber is to just do away with the dumb choreography of the prequel trilogy, since I can't imagine that greatsword is capable of doing the dumb flailing around thing. Or at least that's what I hope for anyways.

 

[Ukomba]

Mandalorian Iron is EU, and thus for doesn't exist any more.

Of course, the way Disney is operating, they'll probably introduce introduce a new, and ENTIRELY ORIGINAL Mandalorian Steel that can resist lightsabers.

It's the kind of disrespectful pillaging of EU ideas that is growing more common. I fully expect something like a red eyed, Pantoran, Grand Admiral named Thorn, or something, to show up in Rebels at some point.

Would fit with Not Jason, joining the Not Revanites, wearing a Not Revan mask, Not following the Legacy Era Books, ending (entirely coincidentally) with a fight against Not Jaina. Makes me wonder if he'll have had a daughter with a Not Tenel Ka before hand.

This is a lousy attitude. The EU is a ridiculous behemoth of a creature which is awful to work with. The rights are in new hands. Abolishing EU from canon doesnt mean they can ever use any of it. It actually directly paints the way from them to pull from the EU within the re-established brand without totally alienating audiences. Because to film goers and people who just watched the animated thing, the EU was a gross bloated thing which made certain knowledge assumed knowledge, but not presented to the audience.

Now they can present these ideas without the tons and tons of 'if you include this, youre referencing that, which leads to...'. They get to cherry pick the EU without having to drag every single bit of it in.

I don't know what you're personal involvement with the books are, but that "ridiculous behemoth of a creature which is awful to work with" is the kind of thing people who hear about it second hand tend to say. In fact, your whole first paragraph comes off as ignorant considering the effort THE SAME COMPANY put into maintaining the Marvel lore. You want to talk about a "gross bloated thing", lets talk about comics.

It's not even like I'm arguing that they had to be 100% faithful to the EU. I get that they are somethings that wouldn't have worked. But they F***ing dumped out the baby with the bath water. Rather than say:

"Hey, these Zahn Books are pretty good. Maybe we could have him update them slightly to match the prequels better and we'll add it to our new lore."
and
"You know, Crystal Star Doesn't really work, I think the entire book has to go."

They decided to kill it all with fire, ignore the concerns of long time fans, and recruits people to beat down fans who really just want the stories they were following to continue.

They litterally don't even want to admit the EU ever existed. On starwars.com, there was an article that start off like this

"When Asajj Ventress was first introduced in the Star Wars: The Clone Wars film, her role seemed straightforward."

F***, Asajj Ventress was a fan favorite character that existed for years before this 'first introduction'.

So, ya, I have a huge problem with them killing a franchise, disrespecting it, and then harvesting it's corps for useful bits that they then pretend are original.

 

[Sheo_Dagana]

Jesus, I'm so tired of all these companies hyping up their own shit like this. OF COURSE YOU THINK THE MOVIE YOU CONTRIBUTED TO IS GOING TO BE THE BEST. Everyone on here is arguing about how stupid the new lightsaber looks (and really, nothing is dumber than the lightsaber tonfas that exist in the Force Unleashed, especially if you know anything at all about how tonfas actually work) and missing the point entirely; these 'artists' and producers are already fellating themselves over their own work and trying to assure everyone that this new movie will kick ass and we are wrong to doubt them.

It's just like that article about Batman v Superman talking about how critics 'stood and applauded' it, how Ben Affleck has been signed up for 3 new movies as Batman. Or like the Marvel Civil War pre-screening, that early-screeners also 'applauded.' It's disgusting, but that's Disney for you - farting shit out and assuring you that it will be amazing well before it's been released in an attempt to run damage control on the property's outraged community. Disney hasn't done a damn thing for Marvel except write them checks, and adapting comics into movies versus creating new story on top of a movie franchise that has already been successfully continued for the last couple decades is a different concept entirely.

Forgive me if I don't take poster artists or 'critics' seriously and wait to see these upcoming films myself to judge with my own eyes before they go around jacking off in my face and assure me that their interpretation of Star Wars will be the 'best one ever.' Remember how every time a new Harry Potter came out the ads assured audiences that 'this year's Potter is the best one yet!'? Remember how that wasn't always true?

***** and moan about lightsaber designs all you want - there's a much larger problem at hand, and the masses are going to buy into it.

 

[Nazulu]

***** and moan about lightsaber designs all you want - there's a much larger problem at hand, and the masses are going to buy into it.

That problem has been around for fucking yonks, and most people here already know that all these large company's will say whatever shit to suck in as many souls as they can. That's if you didn't notice that most people here aren't buying into this guys opinion.

Now we're all hoping the movies will be good, but if you actually want some chance to stop this regurgitated shit, you'll wait for opinions and do some research yourself before throwing roses to this bull. But it won't happen because they've studied what many (I need proof to say most) people can tolerate and what many will pass for great, so it's the endless cycle of money eating art. You know, instead of taking actual risks which is why these movies will never be great.

I brought up the light-saber as a point in that they're not taking the writing for this seriously and how it's just there to sell toys. I was trying to defame this already. Do you have a better plan?

 

[Sheo_Dagana]

***** and moan about lightsaber designs all you want - there's a much larger problem at hand, and the masses are going to buy into it.

I brought up the light-saber as a point in that they're not taking the writing for this seriously and how it's just there to sell toys. I was trying to defame this already. Do you have a better plan?

Yeah, my plan is to tell these artists "shut up and show me, don't tell me." Everyone bringing up the lightsaber, even as a point of "marketing is eating art, rawr" seemed to be the biggest part of what this conversation sparked, and since the trailer came out, seems to be the only thing that people care about. Now that may not be true, but anyone just reading the comments would discern this from what is being said.

My post wasn't aimed at any one particular person - it's just the community at large. At this point all anyone does is complain about the lightsaber or the marketing it represents, and what I was saying is that I'm just tired of being marketed to in general. It's not just with Star Wars, it's every 'blockbuster' franchise out there - it's become the video game industry, with hundreds of 'critics' slapping seals of approval on names to try and assure the unassured.

I'm sure that everyone on here isn't buying into the hype, but reading through the comments and seeing just how seriously people are arguing for or against the lightsaber design baffled me. I'm just tired of the marketing train - I could give a shit if Disney wants to sell toys based on a movie, that's going to happen regardless and aesthetics are going to suffer because of that, I was complaining in general about the marketing train at large and how tired I am of all of these huge companies waving their proverbial dicks in my face, trying their record best to make US look stupid for not believing in the product in the first place.

That is what irks me. That these companies are calling the more thoughtful consumer foolish for doubting the product in the first place. I mean, what right have we to say a goddamn thing if over 200 hundred websites are giving a game Best at E3? If your plan to counter-act that is to complain about the inevitable toy-line that I will 100% agree means they aren't taking it seriously, I won't say you're wrong, but I also won't say that's where everyone else is landing.

I guess you could say I'm just frustrated with companies bludgeoning me to death with all of their bullshit. Sure, most people here on the Escapist seem to get it, but what about everyone else that's defending this film? This isn't the only place I see people complaining about lightsaber designs or the death of the EU.

Captcha: Dust Up

You're right, Captcha. Maybe I should dust up a bit more before I just get angry and start posting about how tired I am of all the marketing.

The Witcher 3 may have been a great game but I hate how the cover proudly boasts how many 'E3 Awards' it won. Ugh.

 

[Nazulu]

Yeah, my plan is to tell these artists "shut up and show me, don't tell me." Everyone bringing up the lightsaber, even as a point of "marketing is eating art, rawr" seemed to be the biggest part of what this conversation sparked, and since the trailer came out, seems to be the only thing that people care about. Now that may not be true, but anyone just reading the comments would discern this from what is being said.

My post wasn't aimed at any one particular person - it's just the community at large. At this point all anyone does is complain about the lightsaber or the marketing it represents, and what I was saying is that I'm just tired of being marketed to in general. It's not just with Star Wars, it's every 'blockbuster' franchise out there - it's become the video game industry, with hundreds of 'critics' slapping seals of approval on names to try and assure the unassured.

I'm sure that everyone on here isn't buying into the hype, but reading through the comments and seeing just how seriously people are arguing for or against the lightsaber design baffled me. I'm just tired of the marketing train - I could give a shit if Disney wants to sell toys based on a movie, that's going to happen regardless and aesthetics are going to suffer because of that, I was complaining in general about the marketing train at large and how tired I am of all of these huge companies waving their proverbial dicks in my face, trying their record best to make US look stupid for not believing in the product in the first place.

That is what irks me. That these companies are calling the more thoughtful consumer foolish for doubting the product in the first place. I mean, what right have we to say a goddamn thing if over 200 hundred websites are giving a game Best at E3? If your plan to counter-act that is to complain about the inevitable toy-line that I will 100% agree means they aren't taking it seriously, I won't say you're wrong, but I also won't say that's where everyone else is landing.

I guess you could say I'm just frustrated with companies bludgeoning me to death with all of their bullshit. Sure, most people here on the Escapist seem to get it, but what about everyone else that's defending this film? This isn't the only place I see people complaining about lightsaber designs or the death of the EU.

Captcha: Dust Up

You're right, Captcha. Maybe I should dust up a bit more before I just get angry and start posting about how tired I am of all the marketing.

The Witcher 3 may have been a great game but I hate how the cover proudly boasts how many 'E3 Awards' it won. Ugh.

Well, unfortunately but realistically, 'they' and most other people seem to easily ignore anyone making complaints on how much emphasis they put into the hype. This is because, like I said, that they study what people want, like a damn science!

I completely agree with you, but there is no other way I can think of to challenge them. Hell, I see this as the dark age of film, especially with all these shoddy remakes of classic films or endless milking of sudden trends. The profiteers are unbeatable unless they fuck up on a massive scale.

I see these 'perfect films' and think "which is the most manufactured?". Meanwhile many will think you just don't like anything or haters gonna hate or some other retarded line they never try to prove but we all love labeling things for convenience. And what they also don't know is how fucking hard it is to go against trends, and even just explaining your problems with it (because that's a skill itself not everyone can do) when you can already sense the sensitivity/anger that it will create.

It gets even better when people start believing popularity is the only objective way to measure the quality of something, which is so fucking pathetic since I'm sure they love that they don't have to put any effort in explaining anything (which is the opposite of thinking). Forgetting what has been focus tested, that popularity breeds more popularity because many just like to get involved, and not even considering for a fucking second that the not so popular works might be more interesting for experimenting, or that they might be missing something since they follow their preferences like a perfect bible when you actually need to bend it to discover more.

Yeah, it's one big joke. Everyone folds nicely into the master plan.

 

[Elementary - Dear Watson]

I am on team 'don't think it is a cross-guard'. I will have to watch the canon fight scenes again, but from memory don't lightsabers either bounce due to an energy imbalance, or appear to stick together when powerful users want a tense moment to see who is stronger.

If they slid up and down eachother like common swords then wouldn't that mean that blaster rounds wouldn't perfectly reflect off like they do?

 

[StormShaun]

"Best Star Wars", huh?
We'll see about that, and I am one who really wants to say that.
Especially considering my favourite Star Wars is episode 3. Wait, wait, don't throw your popcorn yet. I only like it for the action.

Okay, now that we're all calm.
I actually like Kylo Ren's lightsaber. I don't give a shit about logic, all I care about if it looks cool or not, and to me, it looks pretty fucking cool. Though really I'm pumped for Captain Phasma... While the name makes me chuckle, that armour looks amazing.

Apart from all of that, is it me, or does Han look a little awkward on that poster? Still, poster looks cool.

 

[Something Amyss]

I mean, the 8 year old in me wants this to be true.

The adult in me is mostly just thinking that if it's even remotely better than Phantom Meance, I will start doing cartwheels.

honestly why do people have such a problem with lightsaber cross guards?

Rule of cool. It looks really dumb.

but what if it wasn't meant for defense and more for offense? there were in fact large swords made in the Gothic age that had crossguards that were bladed and not intended for defense but for offense in the style that they used.

The ones I'm familiar with still have forward-aimed blades at the "crosspiece." So, which swords are you talking about?

See, I don't even care if it works. That looks pretty awesome.

But really, this has it covered: