Star Wars Force Awakens Spoiler Filled discussion thread (no spoiler tags, you've been warned)
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So my really pedantic issue: Why does Finn wear jeans? Star Wars clothes have always been basic ass vaguely spacey looking things and there were fancy dresses in the prequels but jeans are like very quintessentially Earth clothes. Its a bit weird for them to exist in the Star Wars galaxy. I don't really care but hundreds of people have already said all my other points.
Dear god I didn't think about that. That would've instantly made the movie a 10/10. I'm not even kidding.The Enquirer said:
I thought it was pretty good.
It's kinda weird, sometimes I don't want to say it feels like Star Wars completely but I think that's just the new coat of paint for today's age.
I really like the lightsaber battles, I really like how they're, like, heavy, again, you know?
And the dogfights, MAN, the dogfights, those were awesome.
And come on guys, it borrows a good chunk from IV but it doesn't re-hash the entire thing like some people are saying it does. It borrows a lot, I will admit, but it's got enough to be it's own thing.
Wish Captain Phasma got more to do though; her entire on screen presence was "Yo, Finn, fix your blaster." *gets tackled, lowers shields*.
And yo, the Stormtrooper with the Saber-Baton.
It's kinda weird, sometimes I don't want to say it feels like Star Wars completely but I think that's just the new coat of paint for today's age.
I really like the lightsaber battles, I really like how they're, like, heavy, again, you know?
And the dogfights, MAN, the dogfights, those were awesome.
And come on guys, it borrows a good chunk from IV but it doesn't re-hash the entire thing like some people are saying it does. It borrows a lot, I will admit, but it's got enough to be it's own thing.
Wish Captain Phasma got more to do though; her entire on screen presence was "Yo, Finn, fix your blaster." *gets tackled, lowers shields*.
And yo, the Stormtrooper with the Saber-Baton.
Personally, I guessed it fairly quickly, and I looked it up and I believe I am right. I am tempted not to spoiler tag it given the name of this thread and be a smartass, but I will resistfluxy100 said:
He is
Darth Plagueis: AKA Palpatine's former master who he "killed"
Nah, that wasn't corusscant, the target was in the Hosnian system.Hawki said:
Overall, I was fairly disappointed with the movie for a variety of reasons. I was no fan of the prequels, but I can honestly say that I enjoyed episodes 2 and 3 more.
Lol, everyone I know and myself loved this movie, the general reviews are about how amazing it is. I saw this thread and I just knew that if anyone would hate it it would be the Escapist where liking anything is a sign if weakness.
I did dislike how Deathstar 3 was handled. It wasn't the focus of the movie, and so it shouldn't have been, but it also shouldn't have been this planet sized doomesday machine that could get wiped out in half an hour's screen time. It also didn't make sense in that the name "the remnant" implies we are dealing with a fragment of the former power of the Empire. The first impression I had was that they now have limited resources and are fighting on their back foot - it doesn't make sense then that they can suddenly wheel out this super weapon that is ten times the size of that last battle station they made at the height of their power.
The bad guys needed to present a big threat to raise the stakes, but it should have just been something like that new/upgraded star destroyer, bombarding Corosant; something dangerous but not absurdly expensive, and also something that could be plausibly destroyed in such a short amount of time after it being introduced (but still be threatening enough to need destroying).
There was a couple of over-wrought scenes as well. The whole, holding your hand out in someone's face takes an unusual amount of screen time and looks quite silly. "Snoak" sounds like a stupid name for an evil supreme leader, they should have got something more old Testament sounding. Also Ren eats half an apple with some brocolli in it. Didn't that look odd?
Otherwise it was a good film.
The bad guys needed to present a big threat to raise the stakes, but it should have just been something like that new/upgraded star destroyer, bombarding Corosant; something dangerous but not absurdly expensive, and also something that could be plausibly destroyed in such a short amount of time after it being introduced (but still be threatening enough to need destroying).
There was a couple of over-wrought scenes as well. The whole, holding your hand out in someone's face takes an unusual amount of screen time and looks quite silly. "Snoak" sounds like a stupid name for an evil supreme leader, they should have got something more old Testament sounding. Also Ren eats half an apple with some brocolli in it. Didn't that look odd?
Otherwise it was a good film.
Yea, for me and the people I went with, it felt like a lot of build up for very little pay off. It was still cool, but it needed something more, as did a few scenes.Johnny Novgorod said:
And people keep forgetting that Kylo Ren was shot by the Star Wars equivalent of a .50 cal just moments before the duel. He was bleeding out.Whatislove said:
You're right, nearing the end I almost said out loud "Wait, where the FUCK are the Republic right now?!"
It felt a bit goofy, the comedic relief bits went a bit too far. Also, I don't remember the Force ability to read minds ever being a thing. If it was around, then alright, I forgot about it, if not, it seems a bit OP and I'm on the fence about it.
SOMEONE FOUND A LIGHTSABER ON THE SURFACE OF BESPIN. Let's just get that out of the way.
Apparently Space Ireland is a thing.
The hentai monsters on the freighter didn't just up and kill Finn like EVERY OTHER PERSON.
Han just happens to be around at the same time the Falcon wakes up.
R2-D2 is a **** and keeps most of the map hidden, we probably could have narrowed it down.
C-3PO played MGS:V and decided to cosplay.
BB-8 should have been a minor character.
I'm glad Abrams had the balls to off Han Solo, even if I did see the method coming a mile away. Dat JK LOL.
Oh no, it's a bigger death star.
Who the fuck is the giant hologram and how did he get to Ben while he was training with Luke and pffft, more younglings. Delicious, delicious younglings.
I'm glad Abrams made it so Luke fucked up, because he would, because he wasn't really a great jedi, because he never had the proper training, so something should have gone wrong when he tried it.
But overall it just felt pretty badly written. I'll stick to the EU. Just because it looks pretty doesn't mean it was good. I JUST got back from it, so I probably forgot some things. At least they used the right sounds for the X-Wing lasers.
Oh and I think she was just showing Luke that she had the lightsaber, so that it would mean something and he wouldn't kill her instantly or something.
It felt a bit goofy, the comedic relief bits went a bit too far. Also, I don't remember the Force ability to read minds ever being a thing. If it was around, then alright, I forgot about it, if not, it seems a bit OP and I'm on the fence about it.
SOMEONE FOUND A LIGHTSABER ON THE SURFACE OF BESPIN. Let's just get that out of the way.
Apparently Space Ireland is a thing.
The hentai monsters on the freighter didn't just up and kill Finn like EVERY OTHER PERSON.
Han just happens to be around at the same time the Falcon wakes up.
R2-D2 is a **** and keeps most of the map hidden, we probably could have narrowed it down.
C-3PO played MGS:V and decided to cosplay.
BB-8 should have been a minor character.
I'm glad Abrams had the balls to off Han Solo, even if I did see the method coming a mile away. Dat JK LOL.
Oh no, it's a bigger death star.
Who the fuck is the giant hologram and how did he get to Ben while he was training with Luke and pffft, more younglings. Delicious, delicious younglings.
I'm glad Abrams made it so Luke fucked up, because he would, because he wasn't really a great jedi, because he never had the proper training, so something should have gone wrong when he tried it.
But overall it just felt pretty badly written. I'll stick to the EU. Just because it looks pretty doesn't mean it was good. I JUST got back from it, so I probably forgot some things. At least they used the right sounds for the X-Wing lasers.
Oh and I think she was just showing Luke that she had the lightsaber, so that it would mean something and he wouldn't kill her instantly or something.
Well, I finally saw it, and thus I am spoiler free. Thought I'd come here and check out the commentary. Needn't have bothered.
There are flaws in the film, most definitely, that I'd love to discuss them, but there are people in here claiming the film was inferior to the prequels. The fucking prequels. I knew we had prequel defenders in these woods, but I thought they were of the "They're a guilty pleasure!" variety, not the "I clearly know absolutely nothing about film" variety.
There are flaws in the film, most definitely, that I'd love to discuss them, but there are people in here claiming the film was inferior to the prequels. The fucking prequels. I knew we had prequel defenders in these woods, but I thought they were of the "They're a guilty pleasure!" variety, not the "I clearly know absolutely nothing about film" variety.
Yep. Finn wounded him too. He was in rough shape. Guy was literally bleeding out.Adam Jensen said:
There's two types of Tie fighters in the movie. The first is the normal ties that are still one seaters. We see them chasing the Falcon on Jakku and again in the other dogfights.
The other is the Special Forces Tie, which they use to escape the Star Destroyer. Two seater, has missiles and a turret. Also much bigger than a normal Tie. We don't see them on screen at the same time, so I can see why people are confused.
The Resistance only has the T-70 because it is the only fighter Leia could get. The Resistance is literally her private army. So obviously you go with the multirole. Most people in the Republic think she's a warmonger.
I think the biggest misstep with this film was not giving more of the backstory. You don't make a sequel set 30 years in the future of a beloved series with six movies and give literally no information about what has happened. Also having no planets show up from the other movies was a mistake I think. It gives no real sense of continuity. I honestly wish Jakku had been Tatooine, then we would have seen what had become of the place. Also having no old aliens in the bar scene was weak.
Overall though I liked it. It's just that VIII is really going to have its work cut out for it.
The other is the Special Forces Tie, which they use to escape the Star Destroyer. Two seater, has missiles and a turret. Also much bigger than a normal Tie. We don't see them on screen at the same time, so I can see why people are confused.
The Resistance only has the T-70 because it is the only fighter Leia could get. The Resistance is literally her private army. So obviously you go with the multirole. Most people in the Republic think she's a warmonger.
I think the biggest misstep with this film was not giving more of the backstory. You don't make a sequel set 30 years in the future of a beloved series with six movies and give literally no information about what has happened. Also having no planets show up from the other movies was a mistake I think. It gives no real sense of continuity. I honestly wish Jakku had been Tatooine, then we would have seen what had become of the place. Also having no old aliens in the bar scene was weak.
Overall though I liked it. It's just that VIII is really going to have its work cut out for it.
The thought crossed my mind as well. I guess taking out the capital means the entire galaxy-spanning New Republic is dead. Because if current events have taught us anything, it's that all you need to do is kill the leadership and the other side will instantly capitulate.EHKOS said:
/s
In all seriousness, I'm hoping it's just a case of the New Republic getting temporarily blindsided before combining forces with the Resistance. If it really is destroyed outright...well, at least it's roughly consistent with how long it lasted in the old EU.
Yep, it was around in the classic trilogy:
"...Sister! So, you have a twin sister! Your thoughts have now betrayed her, too."
-Darth Vader
I suppose that scene could be interpreted either way. However, the interrogation scene with Kylo and Rey seems to indicate this particular ability at work. I can't remember the exact line, but when Kylo starts his mind probe he says something to the degree of "I see it too...the island on the ocean."Pluvia said:
...Wow. That is incredibly helpful to know and should have been made more clear in the film. I assume this was gleaned from the new spate of novels? I haven't really bothered keeping up with the Expanded Universe (old or new) since the New Jedi Order books.DarkArk said:
And that there is one of my biggest peeves with the film. I shouldn't have to resort to cracking open a book or consulting Wookieepedia to understand the setting.
Wow, wish I could say I am surprised by the opinions in this thread but I'm not. Impossible the please this crowd, it seems.
I had plenty of problems with the movie, but they are easily overshadowed by how fun it was. It was great, and now that Disney has proven themselves I hope Episode VIII can take us into uncharted territory. Hopefully they make another Empire without trying to make another Empire.
I had plenty of problems with the movie, but they are easily overshadowed by how fun it was. It was great, and now that Disney has proven themselves I hope Episode VIII can take us into uncharted territory. Hopefully they make another Empire without trying to make another Empire.
I'm with ya. Some of the posts in here are absolutely extraordinary.Fappy said:
The movie definitely had some egregious flaws, most particularly its pacing, but it also had a ridiculous amount of ground it had to cover in terms of introducing a host of new characters whilst paying homage to a host of old ones.
The latter of which wouldn't have been necessary if it hadn't been for the previous three "films". It was a lot of work for one two hour move. I don't think it always used its time as intelligently as it could have, but it was always going to have pacing and incomplete characterization issues.
In terms of tone and content it is "properly Star Wars", and accomplishes that best (ironically) in the first 20-30 minutes, before any of the nostalgia bait comes tottering onto the screen.
I can see what you're saying, but the pacing didn't bother me during the actual movie. I think it could have done with a one or two quiet moments between the new characters. Guess there wasn't really time for that.BloatedGuppy said:
One of the main complaints I have is actually the final shot of the movie. That scene is totally fine until the weird helicopter shot. No idea what they were going for there.
pretty much what I saw it doing, walked us gently in to new territory by setting up the familiar world with some modest updates. Starkiller base was meant to be disposable in the story, it's bringing together people for the larger adventure.Fappy said:
Treeinthewoods said:
Oh no! Not everyone agrees that this movie is great, there must be something wrong with them -_-Fappy said:
That's the only way I can look at these type of comments. Seriously, every time something becomes really popular it brings in this same elitist attitude. You don't know better than everyone else so stop pretending like you do.