Oh c'mon...you remember a guy called Tony Blair? Or Jeremy Kyle? Or Robert Kilroy Silk? Or Nick Griffin?OhJohnNo said:
State Senator Yee says ESRB is "too biased" to properly regulate video games.
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Hardcore_gamer said:
Which works until you realize that the foxes make their income from the chickens. They've got a need to only eat the weak ones and let the others live.
So in that case, foxes would make the perfect guardians.
At first glance you can't tell.tharglet said:I think a ratings-system has a place - not everyone is an expert on what is in xyz game/movie/etc so having a rating system makes people think twice if it is right to get it for their children or not.EinTheCorgi said:
For the below image, if you ignore the fact it has a rating on it, can you tell if this is suitable for kids or not [assuming you have never heard of the show]?
But two things give it away. 1) It's on comedy central. 2) The guy on the right has a small tip for how safe it is for your kids >.>
Exactly. How is his claim stupid or unfounded? He makes a viable point. Makes perfect sense to me.Hardcore_gamer said:
The counter-argument of all industries doing the same is valid, but I guess that just means that all industries try to protect their media. Looks like Senator Yee has a lot of cleaning up to do *reloads shotgun*.
If this is a serious statement, then if you aren't trolling you are just being ignorant. This isn't about the actual effects of this particular law, it's about the restriction of free speech in the media because of government regulation. THAT is why we are all worried out of our minds. This isn't a minor problem, it's not just some people annoyed at some dude, this is possible legal precedent that can allow the constrained of free speech (not allowing anyone to view the content, regardless of age, with no legal reason or precedent). He is practically equating games as a medium to be as "dangerous" as pornography. This is a big problem.Hardcore_gamer said:
That's one of the major issues we face in the US in this day and age. Everyone lets CNN/MSNBC/Fox News spoon feed them their oppionions rather than looking at that state of events and deciding for themselves. In short, my country is going retarded. If people opened their eyes and spent 5 minutes researching who they're voting for, idiots like this would never make it to office in the first place.OhJohnNo said:
Hardcore_gamer said:
well i don't agree with calling him nuts either. but the matter i focus on is that when asked about mpaa or nc-17 ratings that the music and movie industry give respectively, he doesn't use the same argument. he just glosses over that fact. the music and movie industry would be just as likely to do the same thing he mentioned earlier "The ESRB is funded by the industry, so it's like the fox guarding the henhouse." movie and music also police themselves.
i can see if this passes that they will be able to attack those other industries next. that's what worries me more.
Welcome to the world of American politics. It's a bit of a scary place...OhJohnNo said:
OT: Ok, there are a few things wrong with this.
1: (This is something I've been asking for a while now) Wasn't the ESRB create to prevent something like this from happening? To give the industry some self-regulation?
2: Calling games a "bewildering new technology" is no excuse. There is a rating on the box, clearly stating what content is in the game. You don't need to be a gaming expert to f***ing READ.
3: (The main flaw of this entire arguement) Why should the government have the right to regulate games because of violent content when there are even more explicit movies and TV shows and such, and people are just fine with those mediums self-regulating? Why this one medium?
Hardcore_gamer said:
Actually, I agree that the "biased" statement alone isn't stupid or unfounded, but his line of reasoning for only going after video games is. If the ESRB's bias is enough to justify video game regulations, why isn't he also going up against the movie industry?Brotherofwill said:
Well the way I see, as time goes by, our generation and generations afterward will be able to make better choices on what videogames we buy for our kids. I'm 20 right now and will be 21 in January, I'll be capable of deciding which games would be appropriate for my children because I play them all the time; Call of Duty, Gears of War, and other games like these would NOT be my child's first games by a longshot. His/her first game would be a racing game or a T-rated game at the most...after I played it first to check to see if it was a light T-rated game of course.
This Yee guy just doesn't think in the long term as I have and thereby his argument is thus rendered invalid.
This Yee guy just doesn't think in the long term as I have and thereby his argument is thus rendered invalid.
As a Scot, the world of American politics seems to be founded on flashy but empty rhetoric and showmanship and saying "- because we are AMERICAN!" at the end of speeches to elicit cheers from the crowd. As you said, a scary place.Mr. Omega said:
On topic:
I agree.
I've found that in general parents are the ultimate decider. If the kid wants it and he's not old enough the parent can buy it for him. However the parents are also voters so its not a politically sound move to blame parents for exposing their own children to violence/sex/drugs.
He's just trying to pull in votes with the gaming industry being in the news.
Nice post.
Honestly, I'm not sure where this guy is getting this garbage. M rated games are the equivalent of what you can see on prime time cable at the best of times, and a (comparatively) mild R rated movie at the worst of times. My guess is that somebody showed him an uncensored Manhunt 2 and the infamous hooker trick from the GTAs exclusively and told him that it was an accurate representation of all video games out there.
That, or it's re-election season and he's trying to play on moral outrage to expand his conservative following. Gotta remember that politicians aren't usually stupid, they just say stupid things that they know the lowest common denominator (in other words: the largest voting pool in America) will latch on to.
That, or it's re-election season and he's trying to play on moral outrage to expand his conservative following. Gotta remember that politicians aren't usually stupid, they just say stupid things that they know the lowest common denominator (in other words: the largest voting pool in America) will latch on to.
so... I wonder how much he would bash the US automobile industry if he was over here...
And Mature should be enough for a parent to be able to discern if the game is appropriate or not. Unless he's really worried about those 17 year olds...
And Mature should be enough for a parent to be able to discern if the game is appropriate or not. Unless he's really worried about those 17 year olds...
His refusal to accept/address that the other rating systems the OP mentioned are te same as the ESRB doesn't seem particularly smart to me. He's not "outrageous", perhaps, but he doesn't seem particularly smart - so why is he gaining support?Hardcore_gamer said:
Being 15, all I know about Tony Blair is what I've been told, which amounts to "he was a great PM until he suddenly drank a large glass of Retard and followed Bush into Iraq". Jeremy Kyle doesn't register on my radar, he's a non-entity to me. Robert Kilroy Silk, I've never even heard of. Nick Griffin... I'll hand you that one on the grounds that you admit he doesn't have too much support at the moment.The_root_of_all_evil said:
It sounds quite scary in places, but at least it's interesting. Unlike UK politics, which are a bunch of boring people making boring speeches about boring ideas. Seriously, over here it's gotten bad enough that, rather than voting for our favourite candidate, we're voting for the one we hate least, because nobody likes anybody on the political spectrum.Mr. Omega said:
Trust me, we're not so dissimilar. I can't remember the last time we had an election, federal or local, where there was a candidate that I could say I liked. (American, by the way)OhJohnNo said:
Our candidates are probably a little crazier than yours are, though. America is still in that adolescent phase where the whole country is obsessed with tits, explosions, and Jerry Springer. Politicians are just a reflection of that mentality in that the one who wins is the flashiest, the loudest, and the one who can successfully appeal to the emotionally immature lowest common denominator (again, largest voting pool in America.)
Christ...You've still got to learn about Thatcher etc.OhJohnNo said:
I don't know whether to point you to them, or hurry you away from them.
OK...15....Simon Cowell? We have our fair share of Charismatic Turds, believe me.
I am so sick of this completely idiotic, uneducated man. For every Manhunt, there is the Bible Game. for every Grand Theft Auto, there is a Peggle. And for all of those, there's a Scarface or Saw, or any other horrible, controversial movie (and i dont mean to rag on Rockstar. Love you guys!). Its guys like this that prevent real culture and art from moving forward and coming in to their own as an entertainment medium.
And this isn't the first time this has happened. First it was metal that was corrupting the minds of our children; but now, its a widely accepted and enjoyed musical genre. The same will happen for video games as well, as long as the Supreme Court sees reason and doesn't regulate games.
And this isn't the first time this has happened. First it was metal that was corrupting the minds of our children; but now, its a widely accepted and enjoyed musical genre. The same will happen for video games as well, as long as the Supreme Court sees reason and doesn't regulate games.