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from my experience once youre in offline mode youre fine..you stay in offline mode..I dont think you even have to go online if you turn off your computer...I rareley ever go onlineGeorgW said:
or to put it another way Its not like how AC2 ended up, you dont need to connect before you can play
my relationship with steam is a little love/hate
it does what it does relitivley well....but somtimes i have to shave off a huge chunk of my monthey internet just to play game (updates)
and then somtimes it loses my game data
There are numerous complaints with Steam. Here are the three biggest that I feel are warranted:
1. Regional Restrictions.
Steam enables developers and publishers to regionally restrict their titles, often to ensure that a game costs US$60.00 in America, US$70 across most of Europe and US$90.00 in Australia and other counties unfortunate enough to not be America.
There is no justification for this type of restriction. Steamworks, Valve's DRM and Developer solution, list this as a feature of the software; prior to Steam, regionally restricting PC titles was all but non-existent, which language being the only barrier.
2. Monopoly.
Any game using a Steamworks title - even those sold at retail - require Steam to install and use. This places an internet requirement on titles that shouldn't have such a requirement. Further to this, these titles also install the Steam Store Client onto a person's computer, ensuring Valve's digital distribution service is popping up on as many computers as possible, regardless of whether or not the person who purchased the game at a store wanted to use Steam or not.
Every single owner of the PC versions of Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, Fallout: New Vegas, Civilization V and Deus Ex: Human Revolution (to name a mere handful) are all Valve customers, all with Steam accounts, all using Valve's digital distribution service. They never had an option in this matter.
Valve like to throw around their account numbers. 30 Million, as last advertised. How many of those accounts were forced to be made so someone could just play their damn game?
Furthermore, Valve altered their service Terms and Conditions recently to preclude any developer from selling content directly through any game sold on Steam. Why? This by-passes the Steam service, and Valve doesn't get their 30% cut of the sale. This is why EA no longer have many of their titles on Steam.
Valve have told other digital distribution services that they should sell Steamworks titles, despite the fact that once someone install one - even from another service - they have to install and run the Steam Store Client.
Valve are hypocrites of the highest order.
3. Consolidation.
Valve have reserved the right via their EULA - which you agreed to - to remove any and all licences at their sole discretion from any account on steam with no explanation given. No appeals, no questions, no second chances. All the titles currently on Steam that you own remain the sole property of Valve. How much have you spent on Steam? You don't own or have the right to access a single thing. Nothing. You only get what Valve allows you to have.
In 10 years when Steam is pre-loaded on PCs along with operating systems, when Valve is the biggest player in the video game industry with more control over Gamers, Publishers and Developers than any one company should ethically have, we'll remember threads like these. They'll be linked to often. Accompanied by a smug 'I told you so.'
1. Regional Restrictions.
Steam enables developers and publishers to regionally restrict their titles, often to ensure that a game costs US$60.00 in America, US$70 across most of Europe and US$90.00 in Australia and other counties unfortunate enough to not be America.
There is no justification for this type of restriction. Steamworks, Valve's DRM and Developer solution, list this as a feature of the software; prior to Steam, regionally restricting PC titles was all but non-existent, which language being the only barrier.
2. Monopoly.
Any game using a Steamworks title - even those sold at retail - require Steam to install and use. This places an internet requirement on titles that shouldn't have such a requirement. Further to this, these titles also install the Steam Store Client onto a person's computer, ensuring Valve's digital distribution service is popping up on as many computers as possible, regardless of whether or not the person who purchased the game at a store wanted to use Steam or not.
Every single owner of the PC versions of Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, Fallout: New Vegas, Civilization V and Deus Ex: Human Revolution (to name a mere handful) are all Valve customers, all with Steam accounts, all using Valve's digital distribution service. They never had an option in this matter.
Valve like to throw around their account numbers. 30 Million, as last advertised. How many of those accounts were forced to be made so someone could just play their damn game?
Furthermore, Valve altered their service Terms and Conditions recently to preclude any developer from selling content directly through any game sold on Steam. Why? This by-passes the Steam service, and Valve doesn't get their 30% cut of the sale. This is why EA no longer have many of their titles on Steam.
Valve have told other digital distribution services that they should sell Steamworks titles, despite the fact that once someone install one - even from another service - they have to install and run the Steam Store Client.
Valve are hypocrites of the highest order.
3. Consolidation.
Valve have reserved the right via their EULA - which you agreed to - to remove any and all licences at their sole discretion from any account on steam with no explanation given. No appeals, no questions, no second chances. All the titles currently on Steam that you own remain the sole property of Valve. How much have you spent on Steam? You don't own or have the right to access a single thing. Nothing. You only get what Valve allows you to have.
In 10 years when Steam is pre-loaded on PCs along with operating systems, when Valve is the biggest player in the video game industry with more control over Gamers, Publishers and Developers than any one company should ethically have, we'll remember threads like these. They'll be linked to often. Accompanied by a smug 'I told you so.'
I don't dislike Steam because it has to be online I dislike them for 2 different reasons.
1. It's not all that cheap. I get my games cheaper elsewhere. I'm not talking a couple of pounds either i'm talking between £10-£20 cheaper.
Steam is one of the more expensive places to buy your games. It's more convenient but thats represented in the pricing.
2. I'm a modder. I had issues with Fallout 3 failing to run some of the mods when I played it through steam.
Since then i've never used it and never will.
1. It's not all that cheap. I get my games cheaper elsewhere. I'm not talking a couple of pounds either i'm talking between £10-£20 cheaper.
Steam is one of the more expensive places to buy your games. It's more convenient but thats represented in the pricing.
2. I'm a modder. I had issues with Fallout 3 failing to run some of the mods when I played it through steam.
Since then i've never used it and never will.
you control whether each individual game auto-updates or not and you can manually pause/cancel/restart any patches...so it's only an inconvenience because you don't know how to use the tool properly.Farther than stars said:
For brand new games I have absolutely no argument with you there, but when it comes to slightly older games and Steam sales(which sometimes do include pretty new games) you've got yourself a goldmine.Rawne1980 said:
It also tends to take longer for the overall price on games to depreciate as well, but that tends to come with the territory of the digital market and not just Steam itself.
I've had a thing against Steam ever since it refused to let me play any of my games for 9 months a couple of years ago. In the end it only started working again after I formatted the PC. I also resent having to have a 3rd party program to install a game I've bought in the shops.
I've also got anoher reason as tonight I tried to play Fallout:NV but whenever I try to start I keep getting an error message of "The Steam Servers arecurrently too busy to handle your request" Now if I was trying to download it then I wouldn' be too annoyed as I get there's a big release today, but not being able to play, even in offline mode, really takes the cake.
I've also got anoher reason as tonight I tried to play Fallout:NV but whenever I try to start I keep getting an error message of "The Steam Servers arecurrently too busy to handle your request" Now if I was trying to download it then I wouldn' be too annoyed as I get there's a big release today, but not being able to play, even in offline mode, really takes the cake.
Because it takes up some resources and also because many people have a crazy deep hatred for DRM, which Steam is, and because it's an additional requirement that is not the game that must be open, which lots of people aren't happy with because being forced to have another program open is apparently an insult to their ego and livelihood. (as you can see, I don't much care but I know its bothers some people and their free to not use Steam).
Also, some people don't seem to understand that Steam is a DRM and thus don't understand why you have to connect tot he servers so often. Steam is verifying that your copy of a game is legitimate and keeping track of you. (maybe those people will move into the anti-DRM camp if they learn that).
Also, some people don't seem to understand that Steam is a DRM and thus don't understand why you have to connect tot he servers so often. Steam is verifying that your copy of a game is legitimate and keeping track of you. (maybe those people will move into the anti-DRM camp if they learn that).
For those who dont have the hardware that far out exceeds of what the games need to run good and smooth, having Steam in the backround takes up to unnecessary amounts of your PC's performance!Amishdemon said:
No, when you try to login and it fails due to no internet connection it asks if you would like to go to offline mode in wich you can play all the games installed on the Steam.GeorgW said:
My internet was dead for a week.SirBryghtside said:
I played most of my library never knowing the difference.
I've stopped using disks on computer now. Wanna know why?ZiggyE said:
Games on Steam are cheaper when the sales are on. I am a real cheapskate and steam has some of the best deals for me ever!
I am not technologically retarded and therefore Steam works perfectly well for me 99% of the time and that 1 time I know which file to delete in order to re-boot the program.
...your then doing it wrong...GeorgW said:
Not a clue how unless I sat in front of your computer but doing it wrong none the less xD
Lie... the patches are smaller, take less time than the consoles to install and they do not interrupt game play.mavkiel said:
As for the specific steam patches... may I ask which games received these? If it was fallout then I'm strait out ignoring any argument built on such non-existence foundations. Fallout NV was a disaster for all platforms, steam or no steam xD
...............................................................................................DrOswald said:
Macs are rarely as efficient as any other PC of the same hardware.
Sympathy: 0
Also Currently with 1 page(this page) open on Fire Fox, Fire fox is taking up more Ram than steam at full capacity. There really is no issue with steam causing downgraded performance.
Anyone else?
Yes, but if I want to actually play it, I'm still going to have to let it finish its updating, so being able to pause it doesn't really solve anything.GrandmaFunk said:
You know, the whole "people just hate it because they want to be hip and edgy, I like it so there's no such thing as a negative about it" thing makes you look like even more of a douchebag than those mythical creatures you mention.CleverNickname said:
Some people simply dislike having to run a program totally unrelated to a game to play a game, especially when said program has its own bugs and faults. I don't use any of steam's functions, yet I still have to run it to play a single player game. That isn't in any way convenient; it's retarded.