Steam = OnLive
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Then how did I play at school when the Steam servers were blocked? Also they have really cheap games...tmujir955 said:
I don't quite understand what you mean by integrated DRM - steam itself IS the DRM, but me and friends can still play men of war together with my account, so it's one of the most lax and gamer friendly DRM's I've ever seen. For that, I think it's great. It gets the job done, and doesn't hinder the customer - like ye old days of Age of (X)manaman said:
Is restricive liscencing like only being able to buy a game in a certain place? If so, retail is that way too.
I don't see why you wouldn't want steam to be running in the background. It doesn't eat any noticable amount of CPU, so I just have it on at all times. Is there a reason to not have it on?
As for the last point, my response is sort of the same as above.
Sure it's not impulse, but I don't see the problem.
TOGSolid said:
Shamus Young who might be the original OP in this case ran into a bad case of forced update and server overload this time. That said, Steam is not perfect.TOGSolid said:
The OP of this thread is indeed full of it. Also: OnLive is Satans child.
With OnLive, if you ar not connected for whatever reason, I've found that you actually have two sets of save profiles; one for 'oneline' and one for 'offline'. With Steam, the Cloud simply may not sync up, so you might lose some achievements or progress when you next log in, but this mainly happens if you play on a different computer as well.
Erherm.
I would like to point out that when purchasing a game through Steam, you're not purchasing the game. You're purchasing a license to use the data for the game. So you actually never BUY the game, like you would if you purchased the game in person.
Not only that, but if you would read the ToS/EULA (ya know, the big thing you always skip), Valve has the right to take that license away. For WHATEVER reason it feels like. If it doesnt want to continue that game, they can stop the service for it, and you lost all the money you payed for it. The same applies for ANY digital distribution: You dont own ANY of it. Xbox Live, PSN, OnLive, Steam, etc.
Has this ever been done? No. Doesnt mean it wont. Steam allows you to play most games offline, unless a certain DRM exists that forces all players to stay online. Or its an Online game. OnLive is a little more upfront, they arent Koi about dropping games if they cant profit from it, or if you are inactive for some time. Its a preference, really.
I would like to point out that when purchasing a game through Steam, you're not purchasing the game. You're purchasing a license to use the data for the game. So you actually never BUY the game, like you would if you purchased the game in person.
Not only that, but if you would read the ToS/EULA (ya know, the big thing you always skip), Valve has the right to take that license away. For WHATEVER reason it feels like. If it doesnt want to continue that game, they can stop the service for it, and you lost all the money you payed for it. The same applies for ANY digital distribution: You dont own ANY of it. Xbox Live, PSN, OnLive, Steam, etc.
Has this ever been done? No. Doesnt mean it wont. Steam allows you to play most games offline, unless a certain DRM exists that forces all players to stay online. Or its an Online game. OnLive is a little more upfront, they arent Koi about dropping games if they cant profit from it, or if you are inactive for some time. Its a preference, really.
And after looking at OnLive's terms of service, I was like "fuck that" and steered clear of that train wreck. I'm definitely gonna get Steam when I get a new gaming rig.
You're only buying the license when you purchase a retail game as well. There are authorities allowed to take away your games.That DRM that would force you to be online applies to if you bought it retail as well. It's not preference, it's a false comparison.Uber Waddles said:
Nobody will ever be able to give me a single reason that steam is not amazing.
But I welcome you to try.
But I welcome you to try.
When I can't get online to start steam it asks me if I want to start up in offline mode.Get_A_Grip_ said:
So it works for me.
OT: Pah! I'll keep using steam!
What's the difference? You don't pay very much attention, do you? The difference is quite substantial - for one, Steam isn't running games, they're sitting on your hard drive; only the DRM and things like Steamworks are operating through the Steam client itself. Steam is just a content delivery service with some added features and great sales, OnLive is cloud-based rendering, absolutely reliant on your network connection.tmujir955 said:
But that's not the onerous difference, because (and this is key) you do not pay for Steam. You pay for the games, and you receive the games and other benefits having them via Steam entail, and yes, if Steam ever did go away you would lose access to them (though they've stated they would release patches so you could keep using anything you bought from them if that day ever came), but you pay for those games and then you just... have them. With OnLive? You buy games, and pay a monthly fee to use them, and if you ever stop paying the monthly fee, those games you purchased are just "gone". That is why people are complaining, you pay for the service and pay for the games on top of the service, but you don't actually own the games except through the service.