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[NuclearKangaroo]

is not a crap business practice, heres what you can do, buy an early access game, one of the many many many that are sold cheaper than its eventual release price, and of course, make sure the devs will finish the game

How exactly is the consumer supposed to "make sure the devs will finish the game?" Thats one of the biggest problems the system has. If you are willing to buy an Early Access game an wait for it to finish, why not wait until its finished and goes on sale again to be even cheaper than that? The are only 3 reasons a sane person would buy Early Access. 1)To support devs they like, 2)to support an idea they want to see, or 3)They have no patience and want to play the game now.

No one buys Early Access to get the game cheaper. That doesn't make sense.

show me proof they dont

and hell regardless you just provided 3 valid reasons for early access, why keep complaining?

now, never play it, not even once, until release day, there, you didnt give the devs feedback, and you got your game cheap

Or you wait until its released and get it even cheaper than that.

that too, you have options

be unhappy if you want about a business practice that doesnt affect you in any way shape or form, but you dont have to participate on it, and that truthly baffles me

Its getting a little ridiculous to have to repeat myself so much. I have already explained how it effects me. Please read the replies posted before.

i didnt see any of that, please explain again

each it hurts the early access devs cuz they get less sales, people can miss out on early access deals they might be interested on, if these games didnt sell, youd have an argument

It hurts the devs? How would keeping the Early Access games off the main page hurt the devs? They are supposed to get less sales than a finished game (of similar quality) because THEIR GAME ISNT DONE. That money is only supposed to support them to the release not make them profit.

who are you to say whats supposed and whats not supposed to be?

The video game industry is the only place I have seen something like this happening. In no other industry would you see the consumers funding the idea of a product without any rules for basic practices. Nothing is stopping devs from not finishing their games. If valve would get their shit together and regulate the Early Access program and actually come up with rules that they enforce then I could see Early Access becoming acceptable. In its current state however, its laughable that people support something like this.

https://www.kickstarter.com/

i do agree valve is too lenient right now, but the idea of early access isnt bad

in the end your solution, would affect everyone else far more than it would benefit you

Care to tell me HOW it would?

theres a LOT of people waiting for deals on certain early access games, DayZ was among the best selling games even with its tiny 15% off discount, planetary annihilation is the second best selling game on steam right now, all the people right now who are buying these games, might not be aware these discounts exist on these games if there werent on the front page

when this stuff start selling less than the likes of metal gear and tomb raider, being more expensive than either, then you can argue people dont want early access, or are not interested in early access deals, but right now, if you ban early access games from being featured in daily sales, you screw over customers who want to dip into these games once they get a good discount and you screw over devs, making them lose potential sales

in the end your solution, would affect everyone else far more than it would benefit you, all because of an arbitrary reason, no different from say, saying FPS shouldnt be featured on the dailies because it only helps the overbloated FPS genre, or that games with DLC shouldnt be featured either because you dont agree with the idea of DLC

also yes, boycotting something because of what the people behind it think, its arbitrary

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/arbitrary

Methinks you need to reread that definition brother.

"subject to individual will or judgment without restriction; contingent solely upon one's discretion: an arbitrary decision."

yeah that sounds about right

you are not arguing agaisnt early access because people dont want it, or because those games dont sell, taking valueable front page spots from other games, you are arguing agaisnt early access because you dont like early access, as simple as that

 

[cthulhuspawn82]

I still haven't purchased any games yet this sale. The two games I were thinking about were Age of Wonders 3 and Fallen Enchantress Legendary Heroes. Both have been up for a community pick, and both failed.

The whole community pick thing is stupid. Why screw people over? There is no reason not to put all 8 games on sale. What is worse is that, because of the community picks, I probably will not buy the 2 games I was looking at. The difference between what they are now and what they would have been is $15, which means buying them would be the equivalent of setting $15 on fire. I just cant do that.

But I look at it in a positive light. I have saved myself $28 from those games not going on community sale. Its just so sad to hear all the jokes about "protect your wallet" and realizing I haven't purchased one game yet, and might not at all.

 

[AmberSword]

hah funny thing, I remember you mentioning wanting to get civ V possibly so I put my vote in that for that reason I highly recommend getting the complete edition since it has all the expansions and everything wrapped into one package (gods and kings and brave new world are the main two, but the other ones are nice for all the civilizations and stuff.)

it's tougher to appreciate the differences the expansion packs make since you're getting them all at once, but brave new world made the game leaps and bounds more fun (with just gods and kings installed I felt the AI was bloody ruthless and always chose to go to war against you if it smelled even a molecule of weakness on your civilization, brave new world fixed that to the point there have been entire games go by where I didn't go to war with a single person if I played right.)

Thanks for that man, every little vote counts, you have my gratitude.
I did an extensive amount of research and also played through the demo for Civ 5, since this is my first time considering a 4X game. I did read about hyper aggressive warmonger AI, and that the 2 expansions (namely Gods & Kings and BNW) completely changed the game, with the general consensus seeming to be for the better. I've heard of some conflicts between the 2 main expansions though, I'm not sure what its about, but just the demo got me sucked into it figuring out everything by myself and playing through to the limit in one sitting, so I think this is definitely the game for me.

 

[Ragnar47183]

is not a crap business practice, heres what you can do, buy an early access game, one of the many many many that are sold cheaper than its eventual release price, and of course, make sure the devs will finish the game

How exactly is the consumer supposed to "make sure the devs will finish the game?" Thats one of the biggest problems the system has. If you are willing to buy an Early Access game an wait for it to finish, why not wait until its finished and goes on sale again to be even cheaper than that? The are only 3 reasons a sane person would buy Early Access. 1)To support devs they like, 2)to support an idea they want to see, or 3)They have no patience and want to play the game now.

No one buys Early Access to get the game cheaper. That doesn't make sense.

show me proof they dont

and hell regardless you just provided 3 valid reasons for early access, why keep complaining?

Proof? How about logic? If someone is looking for the game cheap they would not buy the game during Early Access. They would be the game when its cheaper months or years after its been released. (If it ever gets released)

I gave 3 reasons, doesnt make them valid. Also thanks for ignoring the whole make sure the devs finish the games bit.

now, never play it, not even once, until release day, there, you didnt give the devs feedback, and you got your game cheap

Or you wait until its released and get it even cheaper than that.

that too, you have options

Yep.

be unhappy if you want about a business practice that doesnt affect you in any way shape or form, but you dont have to participate on it, and that truthly baffles me

Its getting a little ridiculous to have to repeat myself so much. I have already explained how it effects me. Please read the replies posted before.

i didnt see any of that, please explain again

Im not going to retype the whole argument just because you to lazy to go back and read.

each it hurts the early access devs cuz they get less sales, people can miss out on early access deals they might be interested on, if these games didnt sell, youd have an argument

It hurts the devs? How would keeping the Early Access games off the main page hurt the devs? They are supposed to get less sales than a finished game (of similar quality) because THEIR GAME ISNT DONE. That money is only supposed to support them to the release not make them profit.

who are you to say whats supposed and whats not supposed to be?

I could ask you the same think couldn't I? Also thanks again for ignoring the post.

The video game industry is the only place I have seen something like this happening. In no other industry would you see the consumers funding the idea of a product without any rules for basic practices. Nothing is stopping devs from not finishing their games. If valve would get their shit together and regulate the Early Access program and actually come up with rules that they enforce then I could see Early Access becoming acceptable. In its current state however, its laughable that people support something like this.

https://www.kickstarter.com/

i do agree valve is too lenient right now, but the idea of early access isnt bad

The idea of a lot of things arent bad, ideas dont count for crap though. The only thing that matters is execution.

in the end your solution, would affect everyone else far more than it would benefit you

Care to tell me HOW it would?

theres a LOT of people waiting for deals on certain early access games, DayZ was among the best selling games even with its tiny 15% off discount, planetary annihilation is the second best selling game on steam right now, all the people right now who are buying these games, might not be aware these discounts exist on these games if there werent on the front page

Dayz was on the top sellers because it was in the main sale yesterday. Its 42nd right now. Look at the top sales. All 9 of the games on the main sale are in the top 20. 8 of the games are in the top 8. This is exactly the thing I am saying is bad when it comes to Early Access.

when this stuff start selling less than the likes of metal gear and tomb raider, being more expensive than either, then you can argue people dont want early access, or are not interested in early access deals, but right now, if you ban early access games from being featured in daily sales, you screw over customers who want to dip into these games once they get a good discount and you screw over devs, making them lose potential sales

It already sells less and is more expensive so idk what you mean by this.

in the end your solution, would affect everyone else far more than it would benefit you, all because of an arbitrary reason, no different from say, saying FPS shouldnt be featured on the dailies because it only helps the overbloated FPS genre, or that games with DLC shouldnt be featured either because you dont agree with the idea of DLC

also yes, boycotting something because of what the people behind it think, its arbitrary

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/arbitrary

Methinks you need to reread that definition brother.

"subject to individual will or judgment without restriction; contingent solely upon one's discretion: an arbitrary decision."

yeah that sounds about right

You have trouble with words huh? Let me link anther description of it worded differently for you.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/arbitrary

Glad I could help.

you are not arguing agaisnt early access because people dont want it, or because those games dont sell, taking valueable front page spots from other games, you are arguing agaisnt early access because you dont like early access, as simple as that

Sure I am doing that if you dont bother reading what iv'e said. Im not going to keep replying if you don't bother to read my posts man.

 

[AmberSword]

You know guys, I have an idea, why don't you 2 start a Poll about Early Access games being on sale and we could all discuss that there?

 

[Ragnar47183]

hah funny thing, I remember you mentioning wanting to get civ V possibly so I put my vote in that for that reason I highly recommend getting the complete edition since it has all the expansions and everything wrapped into one package (gods and kings and brave new world are the main two, but the other ones are nice for all the civilizations and stuff.)

it's tougher to appreciate the differences the expansion packs make since you're getting them all at once, but brave new world made the game leaps and bounds more fun (with just gods and kings installed I felt the AI was bloody ruthless and always chose to go to war against you if it smelled even a molecule of weakness on your civilization, brave new world fixed that to the point there have been entire games go by where I didn't go to war with a single person if I played right.)

Thanks for that man, every little vote counts, you have my gratitude.
I did an extensive amount of research and also played through the demo for Civ 5, since this is my first time considering a 4X game. I did read about hyper aggressive warmonger AI, and that the 2 expansions (namely Gods & Kings and BNW) completely changed the game, with the general consensus seeming to be for the better. I've heard of some conflicts between the 2 main expansions though, I'm not sure what its about, but just the demo got me sucked into it figuring out everything by myself and playing through to the limit in one sitting, so I think this is definitely the game for me.

Already have all 8 games so I voted 4x for you as well. Be prepared to spend hours of your life on this game. Remember to set an alarm to remind you to go to bed and not spend all night playing it.

Good luck.

 

[Ragnar47183]

You know guys, I have an idea, why don't you 2 start a Poll about Early Access games being on sale and we could all discuss that there?

Would be pointless. The sample size isn't big enough. Its alright though I think im done. He doesn't seem to really read what I write so I won't bother.

 

[AmberSword]

You know guys, I have an idea, why don't you 2 start a Poll about Early Access games being on sale and we could all discuss that there?

Would be pointless. The sample size isn't big enough. Its alright though I think im done. He doesn't seem to really read what I write so I won't bother.

I think I know how Steam can solve the problem of the vets already having most if not all of the games on sale, they usually only discount the very popular ones, so why not dedicate a section to seldom bought/ less popular/ cult classics and the like? That would require QA from Valve to make sure pure shite doesn't go on sale though... because games like these often don't even have a meta-critic score, so I guess that won't work.

Going around the internet I see a lot of people already having everything on the sales list, that's quite a pity.

 

[NuclearKangaroo]

Proof? How about logic? If someone is looking for the game cheap they would not buy the game during Early Access. They would be the game when its cheaper months or years after its been released. (If it ever gets released)

I gave 3 reasons, doesnt make them valid. Also thanks for ignoring the whole make sure the devs finish the games bit.

so the people buying the stick of truth right now dont want the game cheap because it might get cheaper later on?

Im not going to retype the whole argument just because you to lazy to go back and read.

you could try contributing to the discussion more you know? atleast copy-pasting this "argument" of yours, when i tell you i didnt see it, i mean i dont know which part of your previous psots is supposed to be this argument agaisnt early access

I could ask you the same think couldn't I? Also thanks again for ignoring the post.

im not arguing early access games should sell more or less than standard releases, you are the one arguing they should sell less, and if thats the case then you better find a better argument than "i think so", because valve, customers and the devs dont think so, and if theres anybody who should be able to tell if a game sells or not its them

The idea of a lot of things arent bad, ideas dont count for crap though. The only thing that matters is execution.

is the execution bad tough?

arent these games selling? arent these games improving? arent customers happy?

just because something can be improved doesnt mean its bad

Dayz was on the top sellers because it was in the main sale yesterday. Its 42nd right now. Look at the top sales. All 9 of the games on the main sale are in the top 20. 8 of the games are in the top 8. This is exactly the thing I am saying is bad when it comes to Early Access.

the game has been a best seller for months, it sold like a million during its first month, you cant possibly argue it sold well merely because of the spotlight

all of the 9 games on the main sale also have deep discounts, maybe that is also making a difference dont you think?

It already sells less and is more expensive so idk what you mean by this.

what?

http://i60.tinypic.com/2i3u5d.png

You have trouble with words huh? Let me link anther description of it worded differently for you.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/arbitrary

Glad I could help.

"based on or determined by individual preference or convenience rather than by necessity or the intrinsic nature of something"

you are in no position to act condescending

Sure I am doing that if you dont bother reading what iv'e said. Im not going to keep replying if you don't bother to read my posts man.

be my guest then, dont reply


im fact ill do the first step and stop responding to your post from now on, its clear you are eager to ignore any evidence that contradicts your arguments, you are not even willing to discuss properly and now you are just being rude

just let me finish with this, early access sells, its just just a matter of frontpage spotlight, otherwise RPG maker wouldve sold more, and these games wouldnt outsell standard releases, people want these games and they have the right to exist and have sales like every other game, think about that tomorrow if another early access game gets featured as a daily deal

 

[Ragnar47183]

You know guys, I have an idea, why don't you 2 start a Poll about Early Access games being on sale and we could all discuss that there?

Would be pointless. The sample size isn't big enough. Its alright though I think im done. He doesn't seem to really read what I write so I won't bother.

I think I know how Steam can solve the problem of the vets already having most if not all of the games on sale, they usually only discount the very popular ones, so why not dedicate a section to seldom bought/ less popular/ cult classics and the like? That would require QA from Valve to make sure pure shite doesn't go on sale though... because games like these often don't even have a meta-critic score, so I guess that won't work.

Going around the internet I see a lot of people already having everything on the sales list, that's quite a pity.

Thats not a bad idea but Valve doesnt want to do any kind of moderation. If they would moderate Early Access and the like then a lot of problems would be solved.

There are a lot of lesser known game that are discounted right now they just arent on the main page. I think TB said he is going to do a video on some of the best deals for those so keep an eye out for that.

 

[Jason Rayes]

I still haven't purchased any games yet this sale. The two games I were thinking about were Age of Wonders 3 and Fallen Enchantress Legendary Heroes. Both have been up for a community pick, and both failed.

Yeah this was frustrating. I really want AoW III but am I bit broke at the moment, I could pick it up on sale though. Fallen Enchantress is back up for community voting so vote again, maybe we'll get lucky this time?

 

[cthulhuspawn82]

Yeah this was frustrating. I really want AoW III but am I bit broke at the moment, I could pick it up on sale though. Fallen Enchantress is back up for community voting so vote again, maybe we'll get lucky this time?

LOL, when I said that Fallen Enchantress had lost I was talking about this time. I didnt think anyone was going to read my post until after the voting had ended.

 

[AmberSword]

Well.. 4x lost the community vote...
Can't blame anyone though, with its competitor being FPS, especially with titles like Deus Ex and Dead Rising.. Sigh...

 

[Ragnar47183]

Well.. 4x lost the community vote...
Can't blame anyone though, with its competitor being FPS, especially with titles like Deus Ex and Dead Rising.. Sigh...

Sorry. I am sure it will appear again before the sale is over though.

 

[AmberSword]

Sorry. I am sure it will appear again before the sale is over though.

Gaben have mercy, I hope so.
Now that I think about it, I was slightly interested in Fallout as well, new vegas vanilla is as cheap as candy right now, but I wonder if the complete edition is worth it.

 

[AmberSword]

I'll give my fragile mind more time to settle before making the decision, I'll probably get vanilla New Vegas + Old World Blues at this rate. (Yes I'm a cheapskate who can't even spend an extra 3 dollars or so for the complete edition)

Edit: A small question.. is Fallout similar to Metro Last Light? I'm finding it a drag to play through that game, so I'm a little cautious.

The Stanley Parable really is tempting me with puppy eyes now.. Do I take the plunge.. dayum..

 

[Stabinbac]

Edit: A small question.. is Fallout similar to Metro Last Light? I'm finding it a drag to play through that game, so I'm a little cautious.

If you're talking about theme? They are both post-apocalyptic, but one is very American and the other is very Russian.

Game play? VERY different. Metro is a standard linear FPS (an amazing one). Fallout is an open world RPG with FPS combat. You can do the combat real time or pausing for every action. Far more self guided. Lots of talking to people in dialog trees. Collecting and trading an in game inventory. Exploring a massive world. Choosing between different factions. You can customize your character to your play style. Marching across the world with classic tunes blaring on your radio.

Completely different beasts.

 

[AmberSword]

If you're talking about theme? They are both post-apocalyptic, but one is very American and the other is very Russian.

Game play? VERY different. Metro is a standard linear FPS (an amazing one). Fallout is an open world RPG with FPS combat. You can do the combat real time or pausing for every action. Far more self guided. Lots of talking to people in dialog trees. Collecting and trading an in game inventory. Exploring a massive world. Choosing between different factions. You can customize your character to your play style. Marching across the world with classic tunes blaring on your radio.

Completely different beasts.

My what a stupid question haha, just looking at some gameplay footage showed that the difference was like day and night. I wish I had gotten Fallout instead of Metro, seems more like my kind of game.

Metro just seems very stressful to play through, probably because of my perfectionist syndrome to explore every room and destroy every enemy while remaining in stealth, one slip up and I reset. I realize I'm ruining the experience for myself.. but its sorta like an OCD.

With open world games I realize this isn't remotely possible, so I just let loose, but then when I enter a closed dungeon or something the OCD kicks in again.. I'm a sad person.

 

[Jason Rayes]

Yeah this was frustrating. I really want AoW III but am I bit broke at the moment, I could pick it up on sale though. Fallen Enchantress is back up for community voting so vote again, maybe we'll get lucky this time?

LOL, when I said that Fallen Enchantress had lost I was talking about this time. I didnt think anyone was going to read my post until after the voting had ended.

Welp, we did just lose out again, so I can't argue with your predictions. *Looks suspicious* Is this some kind of Cthulhu power or just an inkling that the majority of the Steam Community will vote mainly for action games rather than strategy....*looks at Greenlight* You know what, It doesn't take Cthulhu to see a pattern.

 

[The Random Critic]

Yea I'll probably grab the rest of civilization pack

Given the fact the game is rank 3-5 on steam... can't be that bad