dont worry i understand what your saying....this right here alone can tear a country apart truthfull i dont really think a kid is a kid untill it is born...as in i was born on august 1st...not my parents called the stork 6 months before..so its still a bit strange for mePunkRex said:
My bad, I was under the impression that they were using test tube babies or the uterus extraction thing? I can't imagine the extraction is more invasive than a pap smear, and aren't the fetuses only viable for use shortly after conception?Cocamaster said:
I wouldn't quite say it has gotten to that point yet, but the many posts disagreeing with you and telling you that you have very rash views (which you are all doing very politely Escapees, I applaud you) that don't need to be sprouted here, that is at least pretty major foreshadowing.TaboriHK said:
I meant the extraction of the stem cells from the embryo, not the embryo itself.derelict said:
I'm not sure what a rash view is, but instead of wasting your time trying to chastize me, why don't you actually read the thread again, since everything already got covered ad nauseum. Then you can stop trying to have the last word because this is officially beyond pointless.Tdc2182 said:
Not necessarily. Most embryos that are used are made in a lab with eggs and sperm that would have been thrown away anyways. Seriously, the amount of discarded eggs is astounding. Why would we waste the opportunity to give someone life from something that will never be?Cocamaster said:
I did, but I'm still saying. I'm not religious, and I was still offended by the beginning of your argument. I don't totally side with all the others, I agree with Lormazd about the "two to tango" thing, but still. You just seemed all wound up and ready to argue when people started calling you out on it. I also think (this is going waaay back to the first page) that it was cruel of you to say that those against stem cell research are either biased or uninformed. It's not whether they percieve the whole situation, but the way in which they percieve it. They simply don't think the same way you do, that doesn't make them ignorant. Hell, I agree with a couple of your points myself (i.e. the whole religion isn't inherently bad, but it can sometimes justify intolerance, etc.) . You just seem (don't hate me for this) to be in the mindset that there can only be one correct opinion per argument. (I'm glad you and Julianking93 came to an understanding, though.) Just try to be a bit more approachable from the outset is all I'm asking; make sure to present your entire opinion before entering any arguments to avoid misunderstandings. I wanted to punch you in the dick from the outset of this thread; I only calmed my nerd rage when I read and considered the entire rest of the thread, which took a damn long time, and which most people wouldn't do. I'm just saying you can avoid those sorts of situations if you make sure your ideas and intentions are crystal-clear from the outset.TaboriHK said:
I know this, too. That's why I said that "some" methods of extraction bother me. I suppose that you missed that.McNinja said:
Not really, doctors have found cures for all types of HIV aids, the only problem is that the virus adapts -so- quickly that every time they find a cure it's already genetically adapted to it and is resistant/immune to it, or is so different that the cure just doesn't work.TragicHero84 said:
I'm usually ready to talk about something aggressively. I don't resort to ad hominem attacks or bullying to make my points, but I am blunt. Always have been.Keela said:
That's what bias is. This is not a situation of right and wrong, it's a situation of opinions. People who feel that babies have a soul at the point of conception are biased to believe that that life needs to be protected, and that is why they pull against stem cell research. My bias is that I believe the benefits outweigh the consequences, and that in most cases there aren't tangible consequences. People take bias as a negative. It's not, it's a limitation that we all have in one way or another in regards to perception.
Again, it's not about right and wrong. My opinion is that my opinion is right. But it isn't actually right. It just resonates more with me.
I certainly shot myself in the foot with my shorthand, but also keep in mind that this is something that annoys me too. I'm tired of medical advances being slowed or denied because of a special interest group's (in my opinion) arbitrary moral restrictions. Sometimes our biases take a peg out of the point or view we're trying to express, but on the flip side, half this thread wouldn't be here if I didn't make an (unintentionally) polarizing statement. I don't view disagreement as failure in general, and in this case I can't conclusively say that drawing ire was a mistake. It definitely annoyed some people and put me in a hole that I had to articulate myself out of, but it also drew the participants more into the discussion. So who can say? I'm more interested in a spirited discussion than I am maintaining a charmed reputation, so this kinda thing happens now and again.
That's another thing, when you get a bunch of people hating you, you can't really express your opinion as well when people are inclined to disagree with you solely on the basis of your reputation. I admit, I've seen plenty of your posts before, and while you do often present valid points, you present them so harshly and lash out (or argue intensely) so quickly that I tend to think of you as, I am really trying to jump the shark tank here, a dick to people. When I think of you as a dick, I have a natural inclination to disagree with you. When I have an instant "screw off" reaction to you, that sort of hurts my ability to take your points seriously and have an in-depth discussion, and that often leads to completely off-topic arguments like the ones we've had here today. In my honest opinion, you could do to be a bit nicer. It could very well improve your ability to have intelligent, healthy arguments instead of everyone just hating everything you say because of the way you present your opinion.TaboriHK said:
