Stop all the COD Hate

[Frostbite3789]

I love how people think that the game has to change with each installment.

Lets ignore the possibility that the devs might have just been giving a damn about the people who actually enjoyed the game, and so they decided not to change much in order to keep a similar experience for them. You know, something they are pretty darn sure will be enjoyed by fans? So sorry that they didn't go out of their way to impress people who probably wouldn't enjoy it either way but changing it and thus possibly losing previous fans.

Also, according to sales, CoD is a lot more popular than Skyrim. I can spew out figures and statistics and act like it matters too. Frankly, knowing that, I find it strange how it matters that it hasn't changed.

Some people like COD for what it is. Infinity Ward gives them what they want. And people cry about it because that's somehow wrong. Perfect logic.

You just proved his point about pop music so hard, that the universe might collapse on itself.

Seriously all you said there is that it's popular. Do you know what the 'pop' in pop-music stands for?

Edit: Also don't mock IW like that. They don't exist anymore. A sad husk of IW that ActiBlizzard uses as a puppet exists.

 

[Computer-Noob]

Also, according to sales, CoD is a lot more popular than Skyrim. I can spew out figures and statistics and act like it matters too. Frankly, knowing that, I find it strange how it matters that it hasn't changed.

Current Players      Peak Today       Game

130,084                   201,929             The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
16,222                     71,513                Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3 - Multiplayer


Source: http://store.steampowered.com/stats/

This proves....what exactly? I never said that I thought you were lying. I said that MW3 has more sales than Skyrim. Or anything else.

Also, compare today's play across all forms of gaming. Include console peaks for both the PS3 and the Xbox 360. And, correct me if i'm wrong, but can you not buy MW3 and not connect to steam with it? Meaning that some people could be playing online and not be included within your search? (The same applies to skyrim, obviously) Without going into a console war argument.

EDIT: I also noticed that you're basically implying Skyrim is more popular than MW3. I'd like anyone else bitching about how COD being popular is bad to take note of these statistics, in light of their arguments and "reasoning", since obviously whether or not something is popular and liked by the masses dictates whether or not it's shit.

 

[Computer-Noob]

Seriously all you said there is that it's popular.

Um, no, because I had a bit about-

Edit: Also don't mock IW like that. They don't exist anymore. A sad husk of IW that ActiBlizzard uses as a puppet exists.

Oh. You read that part. You just didn't bother to go back and correct yourself. Yeah, I do that too when I want to make my argument look more valid.

Also, whether or not IW exists or not doesn't really matter, because what happened to the CoD series still happened. The intent may be different, but the method is the same.

You just proved his point about pop music so hard, that the universe might collapse on itself.

To be fair, we have to wait enough time before Skyrim is a dust-covered classic in only the most diehard of fans centuries from now for that point to actually be accurate in its own terms.

 

[Computer-Noob]

Repost.

 

[RaikuFA]

I'll stop hating on CoD when companies stop refusing to export titles I want because "they can't compete with this series".

 

[DRes82]

This proves....what exactly?

It proves nothing beyond the fact that a whole lot more people on steam are playing Skyrim than are playing MW3.

EDIT: I also noticed that you're basically implying Skyrim is more popular than MW3. I'd like anyone else bitching about how COD being popular is bad to take note of these statistics, in light of their arguments and "reasoning", since obviously whether or not something is popular and liked by the masses dictates whether or not it's shit.

I don't know about anyone else, but I never said that MW3 sucked because it was so popular. I said it sucked because it lacked innovation and was stale. I said the fact that it was so popular was a sad commentary on the gaming community.

 

[Nazulu]

Hehe...its not hypocrisy. Skyrim is just a better game. So much better than CoD. Its like comparing current pop music drivel banged out assembly-line style to satisfy the great majority to Bach or Mozart. Or comparing a great work of literature like the Odyssey or Hamlet to the Twilight books.

I own Skyrim, and I like it, but that is way over kill. Your hyping it to the point it will disappointing to everyone except fanboy's.

OT: I'm not sure if I should hate COD. It doesn't directly bother me, and they do what they're supposed to do well. It's just, it's pathetic that they dish it out roughly the same game as the last every year with a pretty short campaign, and this is coming from a million maker. Also, I think their continuous milking and popularity is having a negative impact on the gaming industry because I'm sure most company's would love to get away with stuff like that (so lets try and make a FPS just as good and pretty much the same).

It's the principals I have that you won't understand. I really think they could do a whole lot better with COD and actually attempt something interesting. However, the fanboy's just want to play it safe and keep it the same forever so trying something unique is out of the question.

All the threads about COD are annoying, but the 150th thread about Skyrim is okay. Im tasting something in my mouth, it tastes like hypcrite bullcrap.

Hehe...its not hypocrisy. Skyrim is just a better game. So much better than CoD. Its like comparing current pop music drivel banged out assembly-line style to satisfy the great majority to Bach or Mozart. Or comparing a great work of literature like the Odyssey or Hamlet to the Twilight books.

That said, its not like Skyrim went without its fair share of hate.

CoD hasn't changed in three installments. Its a sad commentary on the gaming community that it can be as popular as it is. Although according to the steam numbers...Skyrim is a hell of a lot more popular than CoD at the moment.

I love how people think that the game has to change with each installment.

Lets ignore the possibility that the devs might have just been giving a damn about the people who actually enjoyed the game, and so they decided not to change much in order to keep a similar experience for them. You know, something they are pretty darn sure will be enjoyed by fans? So sorry that they didn't go out of their way to impress people who probably wouldn't enjoy it either way but changing it and thus possibly losing previous fans.

Also, according to sales, CoD is a lot more popular than Skyrim. I can spew out figures and statistics and act like it matters too. Frankly, knowing that, I find it strange how it matters that it hasn't changed.

Some people like COD for what it is. Infinity Ward gives them what they want. And people cry about it because that's somehow wrong. Perfect logic.

Wow, talk about missing the point. Yeah that has nothing to do with how many Skyrim threads there are right now.

Sorry, but why was I quoted?

 

[Imper1um]

Look, thread #94789575 of this same topic appears!

Its not that they aren't aimed towards a specific crowd, its that they are aimed at making the smallest improvements (look, five new guns!) and selling them for the most price. I wish more people understood that Call of Duty is ruining the market, because they are spending very little in the percentage of money they are returning. Its almost criminal.

I've seen this argument a lot, and so I counter with the following: Mario, Sonic, Dynasty Warriors, every racing game, every FPS that has a major series. See, I understand your opinion and respect it, but you can't say that only CoD "ruins" the market as every successful franchise is doing the exact same. The only criminal thing here is people claiming that the evil CoD corporation is ruining everything by following the example of every other franchise. Ever. If something isn't broke, don't fix it.

I have the same issue with a lot of other games, especially the ones you all listed.

Madden, FIFA, NCAA, NBA, all those cannot change, because the game does not change. Heck, the only thing that could have changed with Tiger is you could have had "Pimp Tiger '11" where you got to pimp the hoes, using a sneak meter to stay away from the spouse. XD

But, in all seriousness, the market is continuously ruined by games that just simply don't make improvements, even though they could. CoD's campaign is new, but watching it makes me feel like someone just sat down in front of CoD4 and MW2, figuring out which was the coolest and then Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V onto it, and filling in the rest. It just...isn't that great, when storylines like Portal 2, Dark Souls, Skyrim, all are made for the same cost, but they make less.

The issue is that, by buying games that are just "last year's iteration", you're telling publishers, that's what you want. You want a game that is exactly the same as last years with some improvement. Its the same with Madden, Sonic, Dynasty Warriors, etc. You purchase a game knowing full well it could or is the last year's game with a new number at the end, you are telling publishers that you want games like the same. Unfortunately, I cannot accomplish this on my own.

 

[Atmos Duality]

Lets ignore the possibility that the devs might have just been giving a damn about the people who actually enjoyed the game, and so they decided not to change much in order to keep a similar experience for them. You know, something they are pretty darn sure will be enjoyed by fans? So sorry that they didn't go out of their way to impress people who probably wouldn't enjoy it either way but changing it and thus possibly losing previous fans.

This entire point begs the question:
If these games are nearly-identical to each other in execution and style, then why bother picking up the next installment at all? Nobody gives a fuck about Black Ops anymore, and even fewer people care about Modern Wankery 2. So what gives?

Now, as someone who doesn't bother with online multiplayer in shooters anymore, I'm guessing that the "real life" answer is that if you don't buy the latest iteration of COD4.x, you won't be playing with everyone else who has the "updated" online version; at which point it honestly has little to do with whether the gameplay changes or improves between each iteration because now it's a matter of access and popularity (economically, this "popularity=value" is based on the logic of a Network Good).

So, following that logic, COD4.x could easily be treated as a match-based MMO, but where the subscription is divvied up into $60-$70 annual installments instead of monthly fees.

(small wonder Kotick wanted to force a mandatory subscription down his players' throats)

I wouldn't have a problem with this if it wasn't forcing so many other publishers to march rank-and-file behind this overhyped franchise, churning out clone after clone and putting nary an original thought into it because the investors/publisher might pull out.

All the while, the gaming sheep gobble it up, 'bah' back in approval, and I'm left wondering where the fuck the variety in gaming has gone.

 

[Jonny49]

To quote Master Chief, from the 'Arby 'n the Chief' Machinima, upon being asked why he's hating on GTA IV over the internet:

"It's popular. LoL!!1!"

I don't hate Call of Duty, but the fact people won't stop talking about it is making me do so.

In which case, you must surely detest Skyrim.

Not really, because alot of Skyrim topics involve actual discussion.

When people are talking about COD, it's either them hating on it or asking others not to hate on it. And that's where it ends.

 

[Korbo]

Look at the Madden series, the Gran Turismo series, Grand Theft Auto has gotten worse actually.. all of those series make bank, go hate those.

Yes. Yes, all driving games are the same. All GTA games have the same core. Madden is a sports game, it's never going to change. Also, I think you'll find that the gross on GT5 is MW3's gross divided by 100. So, they make money, but they have good graphics, and they actually change engines once every 4 games.

 

[Timberwolf0924]

Twilight (Sparkle) Lover....

Anywho, I do agree with alot of the discord, (see what I did there) they make slight changes, swap the weapon skins and armor skins and put out a new game. But we're to blame for the popularity of it. We've all been guilty of buying the same game from the same developer over and over. But just because a game is popular doesn't mean you have to bash it. Same went with Halo, I played it, didn't like it as much as 99% of my friends, but I didn't bash it (to much, damn pistol) and I still don't play Halo to this day. But enough of this rant, we can let this thread die now, I just had to bump it once more. haha

 

[AnotherAvatar]

I'll stop hating once it stops sucking, or once it starts getting sales numbers that don't make the whole industry go "well how can we be more like that mediocre hunk of shit so people will buy our game by the trillions?"

To be more articulate: I KNOW for a FACT that the sales numbers on this game will make other game publishers look for more games like this, Hence why every major publisher is mostly only pushing out FPS games, or why they're tweaking existing genres to be more FPS-like (anyone else miss top-down role-playing games?), and I fear eventually maybe they'll link the sales to the bland, explosion heavy plot, and then they'll only want to publish games with bland explosive heavy plots. Not acceptable.

Also, the series doesn't even hold a candle to Battlefield 2 let alone Battlefield 3. It's like someone believing in scientology, I just can't let it go unquestioned.

No it's not like scientology. why? BECAUSE IT'S JUST A FUCKING VIDEO GAME.

In all seriousness, People just need to get over which shooter is better because at the end of the day it still point gun at thing and then press to shoot. yeah sure BF has vehicles but you're still using it to shoot shit. and everyones acting like this is an innovation? oh but BF has destruction scenery and you can destroy cover. Who gives a shit about the fricking destructo scenery? and i don't buy the fact that CoD is mediocre because it's not, it's solid and so what if it doesn't change? Why fix what isn't broken? It all comes down to everyone always wanting INNOVATION. If a game doesn't have any Innovation people will just dispel it as a piece of crap for doing nothing new. so what if it doesn't do anything new? but if a game does Innovation (and it sucks) people will sing praises for it saying wow the innovation has flaws but it's just BRILLIANT INNOVATION.

in the end Innovation can go fuck itself, and i'm going back to enjoying MW3 why? because its just fun. i don't base any criticism on any games existence other than fun. I had fun with BF3, and I'm having fun with MW3. some may say so what? well isn't that why we all play games in the first place to have some fucking fun? but as this will probably be quoted by people who'll then point flaws in my argument then renders my efforts all for naught.

It is like Scientology because people fork out tons of cash so they can worship something that isn't even that good and is clearly just a way for a dick in a suit to build a Scrooge MacDuck style pool of money.

It sounds to me like you are in denial my good sir, innovation is important or we wouldn't even be playing FPS, we'd be playing side-scrolling platformers in 8-bit graphics without microwaves or HD tvs. If not for innovation we wouldn't have fire... or cars... or nuclear weapons, so maybe innovation can be sketchy. Humans need innovation, period. You make not even one solid point in your thing aside from saying it's 'fun', which is all about perspective. I've never had fun with CoD, either playing it or watching friends play it... well since CoD 2 anyway (The singleplayer used to be epic in those games, before Activision shit canned the orginal design team right after MW2 and replaced it with the guys who made all the bad CoD spin-offs).

Oh, and there's a lot more than just destructible environments (which matter a lot in a heated fight as you can take out the enemies cover, or buildings they're using, it makes it so no place is safe adding more hectic flow to the battlefield, you know... like a real battlefield rather than just a game of toy soldiers) and vehicles, it's got massive maps, better tools (mortars anyone?), and a larger player count, along with a much more clever point system that even gives you bonuses for laying down suppressing fire or calling out foes.

All of this adds so many layers of strategy it's insane. I hate multiplayer first person shooters as a general rule of thumb, they get so boring after about a week of play, but Battlefield has changed that, I can't stop coming back to it because every time something crazy and new happens.

It's like comparing Checkers to Chess, I mean, sure, for dumb people Checkers is great and all, but in no way is it reasonable to say it's a better game than Chess, and anyone who says so either hasn't learned how to play chess or isn't any good at it (-cough-dyingabunchatfirstmakespeoplehatebattlefieldbecausetheyrealizetheysuck-cough-)

Your fear of innovation makes me sad. =< You're exactly the type of customer I feared a bland game like CoD would create, like a 1984 character, just totally content with monotony, a happy slave to the corporate machine who balks at the idea of freedom and innovation.

Just curious, have you played Battlefield 3? If not, just rent it, and really give the multiplayer a go... You'll die a bunch at first, happens to everyone but once you get a feel for the maps and the flow of combat I promise you'll find more satisfaction and variation there than in any CoD game.

 

[Burn2Feel]

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I have the same issue with a lot of other games, especially the ones you all listed.

Madden, FIFA, NCAA, NBA, all those cannot change, because the game does not change. Heck, the only thing that could have changed with Tiger is you could have had "Pimp Tiger '11" where you got to pimp the hoes, using a sneak meter to stay away from the spouse. XD

But, in all seriousness, the market is continuously ruined by games that just simply don't make improvements, even though they could. CoD's campaign is new, but watching it makes me feel like someone just sat down in front of CoD4 and MW2, figuring out which was the coolest and then Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V onto it, and filling in the rest. It just...isn't that great, when storylines like Portal 2, Dark Souls, Skyrim, all are made for the same cost, but they make less.

The issue is that, by buying games that are just "last year's iteration", you're telling publishers, that's what you want. You want a game that is exactly the same as last years with some improvement. Its the same with Madden, Sonic, Dynasty Warriors, etc. You purchase a game knowing full well it could or is the last year's game with a new number at the end, you are telling publishers that you want games like the same. Unfortunately, I cannot accomplish this on my own.

You sir have made my evening with that Tiger quip XD

I will admit that on the surface, CoD lacks improvements because, in all honesty, it really hasn't many. But, at the same time it doesn't really need to. Innovation is reserved for those games that really stand out, Portal is a prime example, and if a game sells for what it is, then that's what companies want.

The campaign didn't need much changing as it was part of a trilogy. If the game changed too much, continuity issues, if it didn't change enough (as it did) we get this internet flamestorm. Multiplayer wise, I'd claim that it has changed. Like in the way one Pokemon game changes to the next generation; enough to feel familiar and not need a ton of explanations, but more than enough to rethink your playing styles. To call Modern Warfare 3 a "DLC" does it great unjustice, it's no different to saying Skyrim is just an Oblivion add-on (and by no means am I making that claim, just in case of flames)

On your final note, I wholeheartedly agree. But, if one company does amazing well because of "x", others will copy or at least imitate it. Going back to Portal, just think of the hundreds of pointless "easter eggs" involving cake and lies in games that came after. If something stands out, publishers will notice how well it grabs our attention and sell straight to our demand.

 

[bl4ckh4wk64]

anybody else disappointed this isn't about fish?

Those damned Cod, when will they stop hating on the trout!!!