Stop Picking on Justin Bieber

[LawlessSquirrel]

I don't like his ego, and he comes off as obnoxious to me. But I don't have a problem with him as a person when the previously mentioned qualities aren't being thrown in my face. Even then, I just find him annoying. I don't HATE him by any means.

I dare say I just hate his fanbase.

 

[katsumoto03]

I'm sure he's a decent kid and all. I just really hate his music and he seems to represent everything I hate in the music industry.

 

[WanderingBiscuits]

The title was on the front page of the most recent Macleans. Here's the article within, I thought I should share with those who don't subscribe:
http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/02/28/the-persecution-of-justin-bieber/#comment-537897

I initially had the usual irrational dislike for Justin Bieber described in the article, I changed that over time. First of all, the prejudice is because he has succeeded where most males have not without being hyper-masculine. Secondly, he is young, and people view those younger than them in their own gender to be a threat

(http://www.cracked.com/article_18893_6-scientific-reasons-your-girlfriends-father-hates-you.html)

Not only that, despite everything people throw at him, he's still standing. I find it quite impressive, and to be quite blunt, its a lot more than most people could put up with. Yet he maintains a sunny disposition. Very admirable.

I don't think its down to jealousy from the people or the fact that justin isn't hyper masculine

Its down to the fact that he isn't talented and yet went so far. Its the same reason so many people dislike Paris Hilton. The reason he got where he is today is down to female tween demographic. Another reason to dislike him is his ego and in addition his commenting on subjects on which he knows nothing about. -See Justin Rape/Abortion Comment-

So Tell me how the dislike is irrational?

As for the still standing comment, give it a few years.

 

[Sneeze]

His music is unbearable to listen to and he can some across as a cocky little shit. I don't "hate" him but he's hardly my favorite person ever either. That being said he regained a little of my respect when he did that interview a while back about the political stuffs.

 

[minimacker]

I don't hate him, I hate his audience. Bieber is a completely mediocre singer, yet he receives the fame that only the biggest of talents should have.

 

[DTWolfwood]

He is great comedic fodder for the older generation whom consider his music to be ear piercingly horrible to listen to. When his voice deepens all will be well. Till then, too bad!

plus as far as i know anyone who makes sly remakes at his expense don't hold any real animosity towards him. any that do are just jealous.

 

[Dr_Horrible]

wait, why am I supposed to dislike him for being successful and not hyper-masculine? I don't like the kid because his songs have little artistic value, his voice is annoying and waaaay too high for a 17-year old (seriously, my voice was deeper than his at 12), and his fans and public persona are obnoxious and elitist. I don't care that he's not hyper-masculine or anything like that, I'm incredibly far from being hyper-masculine myself.

 

[Quiet Stranger]

I hate him because his fans think he's the coolest and best thing in the world, same reason I hate Assassin's Creed.

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

Well I do find it odd that he does look about 12-14 when he is 16. Also who wouldn't be happy regardless of the hate when you are making that much at such a young age? At that young ages all people usually care about is materialism. Anyway I just hate his music and think there are probably better people out there waiting to be discovered. He just has a ridiculously general sound with no really appeal to it besides that. He has spawned bastardised English words. While not his fault that are still irritating as it just adds to the fact that he is quite over marketed.

 

[Adam28]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/bizarre/3442478/Its-Biebs-and-his-girl-and-his-bird.html

He seems to now be trying to be twat...

I try and ignore the guy but that is hard in todays world. I haven't seen much of him (as in interviews etc, not posters etc) but I can definitely see why people see him as arrogant.

 

[k-ossuburb]

I've got a problem with the steady decline in the quality and importance of music over recent years. There has always and there will always be bad music, it's inescapable, but a few years ago even the bad music was tolerable, now it's all bad. Music has become less of an art form and more of a marketing ploy; artists making songs about phones so they can sell more ring tones and singing about going to the club, break ups or finding love since it doesn't require much effort to throw together a bunch of clichés and let a technician put together a backing track.

The Monkees made two movies about this very subject "Head" and "33 1/3 Revolutions Per Second", they wanted to protest their creativity and music being shoehorned into a generic, plastic boy band mold, other artists from then until about midway through the nineties had a similar opinion about what music meant to them like Nirvana, Jack Off Jill and 2Pac; it's a shame that the void they left was filled with such pointless mediocrity.

We're being told to not perpetuate the lack of innovation in gaming by refusing to buy shitty games, this should be the same for music. The only reason people like Katy Perry, Justin Beiber, The Black Eyed Peas, Ke$ha and Mike Posner are putting out crap like this is because people are comfortable with being comfortable and with the advent of Auto Tune you don't even have to be talented to be a pop star any more. There's no personality in anything on the radio, everything is easily interchangeable, no boundaries are being pushed and nobody is morally outraged about it. All these artists do is coast along, it's sad that the last outrage against music I can remember was about Eminem, that was at least a decade ago.

So, to sum up, music has no meaning now. In times past the arguments were usually between people that listened to the music and had a positive deep emotional response and understood the culture and therefore had a deeper understanding of it VS the outsiders who misinterpreted the message and disagreed with it or saw it as a threat to their ideals and way of life.

Now it's people who'll listen to anything as long as it's safe and compromising VS the people who's intelligence it insults.

 

[Rarhnor]

The thing I have a problem with him is this:
1) I don't like his music
2) I think the only reason he's as successful as he is, is because of little school girls thinking he's soo handsome. I know that some like his music, but I also know a few who have 2 or 3 versions of the same album. When I asked "Why?" they respond by looking at me like I'm an idiot and saying: "Cause Heee's sooo dreamy". Looks shouldn't contribute to music sales only talent.

Edit: Apparently another thread (on escapist) claims his hair shavings sold for $40K, this just supports my theory of liking him and not his music

Besides, why should I stop making fun of him? It's too easy

On that topic: He's probably not getting laid because his mom's his manager and probably a total control freak, won't let none of those 'filthy' girls touch him. I'll bet she even picks his dates lol.

You'd be quite suprised how much the female gender places its interest in an artist dependent on looks or image. This is of course a huge generalization, I'll admit that, but does seem to apply to a lot of female fans (perhaps most normal in the west), in my experience.

OT: I don't like him for what he stands for. He has no prior experience regarding loss or tragedy. Just a plain bucket of "happiness" read as fame.
His performances are bland, and he fail to bring some personalization to them. They could've been sung by an equally high-voiced girl for that matter (Not in sense of actual sound, but rather the blandness of the song).

Basically, he's just some average kid, that can sing (sure he can), but with no personal life experience or opinion. Bland. A brick. A brick with female popularity, good coaches and singing voice.

 

[Plurralbles]

of course it's a sunny disposition... how much fuckign money is that guy making?

How much pussy is he swiming in?

I'd be sunny too if I found I was talented with something and was encouraged since day 1.

 

[EvilestDeath]

Creating a thread for some attention I see...

Shut up, delete your account, never come here again.

You can't change peoples minds, they can do as they legally wish, this thread is pointless and will not change anything. Think before you post next time and make sure it is something worth discussing.

It's a response to the "Bieber's $40,000 Hair" thread, which was much more hostile and worthless then this thread. Don't be so aggressive.

Also,
http://www.google.com/recaptcha/api/image?c=03AHJ_Vuv3SVulTJU_Ws_lm_BtipE9iFHpP8nFR5BYeB8s4651pebXue8JXe3dxqtFChr6BvoLCA6pOJ3o3JgyvACLpJdo13YbOhA9m3pOs_YImKxhUKKi_0oeFaHo9jbUeq7BJsr3q-OhWwCX0Y6YIE1gOkIt9-Ue7w

Doesn't matter what it is biased on. It is still spam.

(Also if I was all kind about it like some others that posted I wouldn't get the attention I wanted my post to have. You got to know your audience and how they'll react.)

See what I did there?

Yeah, I saw it... You contradicted your original point and made your self look like the attention seeker rather than the O.P. Of course this doesn't always work in your favor you may attract the attention of a moderator who might not act so kindly to a user who is telling people to "Shut up, delete your account, never come here again." and you might see your self in trouble for inappropriate behavior towards a member of this community.

I contradicted nothing, my original point was to stop threads which have no arguable sides. This topic is clear, Bieber is not liked by many but is also liked by just as many if not more. The clear answer will be a "no" from those who dislike him and a "supporting statement" from those who like him.

Responding to said topic is another situation entirely. He wanted people to stop the H8 on Bieber, I responded saying it won't happen. I just changed my wording to garner a response...which worked not only once but twice. If you haven't noticed already everyone who posts anything, including you, are looking for attention. They want their post to be recognized for one reason or another. My post, lacktheknack's post, and your post all worked in garnering attention towards others. Thus is why we are having this lengthy discussion on what I decided to put down. So thank you for proving me with another opportunity to clarify my methods.

Topics which lead nowhere = spam
Posts in said topic = what OP was asking for
I'm just giving him what he wants, an answer.

Don't try and warn me about moderators, I'm not an idiot. I do know the RRRRRUURRUS and what to say and not say to remain an active member. I am new to The Escapist but not the internet and certainly not forums.

Rise an objection to that my friend. ^.^

 

[lacktheknack]

Creating a thread for some attention I see...

Shut up, delete your account, never come here again.

You can't change peoples minds, they can do as they legally wish, this thread is pointless and will not change anything. Think before you post next time and make sure it is something worth discussing.

It's a response to the "Bieber's $40,000 Hair" thread, which was much more hostile and worthless then this thread. Don't be so aggressive.

Wait, what? They spent $40,000 on his new haircut? That is the biggest waste of money I have ever heard. No seriously, you must be fucking with me, $40,000?

Yep, and all donated to charity.

Same thing happened with a piece of bubble gum chewed by Britney Spears, but I think that sold for more...

 

[DragonBorn96]

I await the day when his voice drops and whether the men in black begin to lose interest in his now ruined singing voice.....
Aaaaaaaaanyway, his songs are a overall dissapointment. His fanbase are made of 12 year old girls and because of their rabid case of Bieber fever, he continues to thrive. I blame his mom for putting him on youtube in the first place or whatever. In a nutshell, I will not stop picking on him for aslong as he remains famous, worshipped like a diety and for as long as he keeps giving us the crappy excuse for his music.

 

[Sovvolf]

I contradicted nothing, my original point was to stop threads which have no arguable sides.

Creating a thread for some attention I see...

(Also if I was all kind about it like some others that posted I wouldn't get the attention I wanted my post to have. You got to know your audience and how they'll react.)

You attacked him for creating a thread for attention and yet you openly claim that you'd only been nasty as a way of seeking attention... If your not contradicting your self then I don't know what.

This topic is clear, Bieber is not liked by many but is also liked by just as many if not more. The clear answer will be a "no" from those who dislike him and a "supporting statement" from those who like him.

Or maybe it can evolve into understanding the reasons behind the hatred (as shown in multiple posts here) or trying to reason one side to another... This is what we call a debate. Threads like this can create a good amount of debate among fans, interesting debate too, over the decline of the taste in the music industry, whether or not Justin is to blame for this or society as an whole. The bigger picture my friend, small threads like this can lead to much bigger things.

Responding to said topic is another situation entirely. He wanted people to stop the H8 on Bieber, I responded saying it won't happen. I just changed my wording to garner a response...which worked not only once but twice.

However the response had nothing to do with the subject of the thread or your arguement but your attitude. So the only attention you've made for you self was for people to call you out on your rude attitude towards the O.P... If you call that a success then, using your own logic* it is you who is doing the spamming for attention.

*Topics which lead nowhere = spam
Posts in said topic = what OP was asking for
I'm just giving him what he wants, an answer.

If you haven't noticed already everyone who posts anything, including you, are looking for attention. They want their post to be recognized for one reason or another. My post, lacktheknack's post, and your post all worked in garnering attention towards others.

Not really most just like to add their opinion on the topic and will gladly debate their opinion. They don't go out of there way just to get attention like you've shown. Sure its nice to know some one as recognised there post but they don't just construct it in order to receive attention.

Thus is why we are having this lengthy discussion on what I decided to put down. So thank you for proving me with another opportunity to clarify my methods.

However, as stated above, your post only drew attention to your methods and not your arguement. Which added nothing to the discussion, meaning there is a fault in your method. If your wanting to draw any sort of attention, it should be aimed towards furthering the debate of the topic and not your methods.

Don't try and warn me about moderators, I'm not an idiot. I do know the RRRRRUURRUS and what to say and not say to remain an active member. I am new to The Escapist but not the internet and certainly not forums.

However the escapist can take things extremely seriously. The fact that your not on probation or that you haven't even been given a warning for your first post is pretty lucky. I've seen people banned for less.

Rise an objection to that my friend. ^.^

Gladly, I love debate specially when it remains civil. Which so far, with exception to your first post, you've remained... Admittedly, to my absolute surprise.

 

[zehydra]

Explain how he has "succeeded" exactly?

he is world-famous and has more money at 17 (I think? maybe 16) than a lot of people will earn in a lifetime

has he really made that much money? People tend to over-estimate musicians' wealth, since it takes a lot of money to keep them running (promotions, that is). Especially with Justin Bieber, who they've been milking like it's the greatest cow on earth.

But if I were an artist, I would not consider that grounds for success, that is, if I knew that was my only fan-base (young female teens), then I knew that something went wrong. They don't love him for the music, they love him, for HIM.

 

[FamoFunk]

I don't go around declaring my hate for him (or love fot that matter)
But I don't like him, I don't like any of these pop singers who're manufactured and make millions by selling awful over auto-tuned songs.

I do find it hilerious when I'm rading random comments on YouTube or something like "What a queer, go die you ******"

 

[Drummie666]

I don't like him because he's very conformist... though that's my only problem with HIM. I'm sure he's a nice kid, I just don't like his conformist bullshit. I have a much bigger problem with the boardroom executives who continuously try to shove him down our throats... or, if you want a better metaphor, in our ears.

I'd say it's more conformist, or just as, to hate him.

I simply don't care for his music, so i choose to ignore him.

Dude... I DON'T hate him. I'm sure that if I met him I would like him. I have no strong feelings toward HIM one way or the other. I just don't like his music. And I WOULD ignore him, if it weren't for the fact that he is next to impossible to ignore when he's making national headlines. Currently I haven't heard much related to him anywhere since the Grammies, so things have been going pretty well.

Actually, maybe I do hate him, after that comment "Everything happens for a reason." that he made when asked if a raped woman should be allowed to abort her fetus... though that's my only real reason to hate HIM.

Also, re-reading my original post here, I did say I hated him didn't I... Scratch that would you?