Stop Picking on the Russians!
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Why not do a first person shooter of The Great War? Yeah, using a Mauser and shootin the french! Now there is a game that could sell
Absolutely.CorvusFerreum said:
That and the gung-ho "fuck yeah!" "marines are #1!" stuff, where marines are always shown as badasses because "America is awesome". Real life marines don't exactly go around wooping with joy that they've killed their enemy.
Whats sadder is that it's probably due in large part to the mentality of the audience. Kids probably aren't going to line up to fight for an Indian/Taiwanese protagonist.
How do you think Germany feels about always being forced to be Nazis in WWII shooters?Soviet Heavy said:
I doubt there's much justice as to who gets to be the villains of modern day settings, Middle Eastern terrorists and Cold War style Soviets are the most recent threats to the western world that most of us can remember so it's no real suprise that they're going to be our targets of choice in shooter games in a modern setting.
Hell, this isn't even a recent thing, Goldeneye on the N64 had you gunning down leigons of Soviet minions too yet no-one complained about that harping on the 'Cold War' thing (and that was in the late 90's).
It's not any more ridiculous than a whole lot of other concepts that we never even seem to question (like how a single man can lead us to victory in a war or how in RTS's it always seems to be that the fate of humanity will be forever changed because of the outcome of a single small skirmish).
Between you and the recent article of Yahtzee trying to call bullshit on Warhammer 40k it'd seem like everyone has a very selective suspension of disbelief.
Like Lobstermen vs. Roman Centurions?
Because that would be amazing.
Hey! What's your beef with Canada? (besides, we already know that Canada would win, they burned the White House down before after all)
What's your fixation on the USA always being involved?
Can't we have someone else as the good guys for once? (like Canada?)
You have a problem with USA vs. Russia yet USA vs. Eastern Europe is fine? (you are aware that Russia happens to be in Eastern Europe, right?)
And watch as no-one outside of the US gets too worked up about that idea and sits there scratching their heads going 'which side is supposed to be the bad guys again?'.
I wouldn't say Russia vs. USA is completely fucking stupid.
It isn't likely to happen, granted, but that isn't what's important otherwise you could call bullshit on any story involving aliens, robots, mutants, superheroes, monsters, demons, zombies, Gods, time travel, space travel, alternate dimensions, cyborgs or anything else from the realms of fantasy or Sci-Fi (for the reccord, that's a lot).
The important part is does it have an sense of internal consistancy, the stories I've seen that feature all out war between Russia and the US do (MW2 does give a fair explanation for why Russia is eager to go to war with the US, yes, if put under scrutinty such a thing would never occur but that's looking too deeply into it).
Because the 'old grudges' had a lot of movies made about them which are nostalgic to a lot of people (even into the late 90's we had 'Soviets' as generic villains in stuff like Bond films and video games even though we weren't in a conflict with Russia and the Soviet Union wasn't really around anymore).
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In all seriousness, I don't play a lot of war games, so that "trend" doesn't bother me.
In all seriousness, I don't play a lot of war games, so that "trend" doesn't bother me.
Get over yourself, it has nothing to do with grudges, it has to do with the fact that Russia is the only country that could actually stand up the the USA in a full out war. The US has the second largest standing military next to China who is financially tied to the US in a way that they would suffer more from a war then they would staying where they are. The European countries are equally tied to the US which leave Russia as the only realistic opponent to the US.Soviet Heavy said:
Iron Mal said:
In soviet Russia...
I guess this makes a bit of sense. But come on. I'm pretty sure Japan makes fun of us all the time. In fact, they do. Listen to this assumingly American guy:
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I guess this makes a bit of sense. But come on. I'm pretty sure Japan makes fun of us all the time. In fact, they do. Listen to this assumingly American guy:
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I've said it before and I'll say it again-we need a WW2 game from the Axis point of view. Games can go on and on and on about how poor Private Powalski joined the US Army and despite being just a Alabama farmboy he had the courage to be a heroic brother in the band of heroes of his unit etc etc, but for some real emotional punch for the story give us Gefreiter Paulus, conscripted and serving on the hell of the Eastern Front.
May be a bit of a stretch but in Battlefield 1942 you could do a campaign as the Axis fighting as German and Japanese soldiers.keideki said:
As for something else to fight, why start now? We've been shooting Russians, Aliens and various Middle Eastern people for a while now.
How about the UK? I'm a solid Brit, but I would certaintly buy a game with the UK and the US fighting.RyanBishop said:
Err, Red Orchestra 2: Heroes of Stalingrad?...Qitz said:
You can play the campaign from the German side in this game.
Interesting idea there, for some reason I have not yet thought of, the United States ends up in a war with the European countries, something they did maybe, not going over well with the rest of the Western world, an argument getting out of hand, some extremists trying to sabotage something on US soil, whatever it is, the United States invades, most likely through France or Spain, wait... I'm just describing the backstory of Endwar. Well, I really liked the backstory of Endwar, at least before they pulled a "the russians did it".tzimize said:
'Cause making fun of and using my country as a scapegoat for 'check out these idiots' is ridiculously easy. And apparently no one ever gets offended when Russia are the bad guys. ...Again.
Why isn't there a modern era fps game where we're fighting against the massive Chinese hordes. You're so drastically outnumbered it's a real fight for survival.
And China's modernizing their military rapidly so it wouldn't be like fighting a group of untrained rebels armed with 40 year old Ak-47's and RPG's in Afblanisraqe.
They've a highly disciplined and trained army.
Though China wouldn't like that much would they. <.< Whatever do it. I'd be cool.
And China's modernizing their military rapidly so it wouldn't be like fighting a group of untrained rebels armed with 40 year old Ak-47's and RPG's in Afblanisraqe.
They've a highly disciplined and trained army.
Though China wouldn't like that much would they. <.< Whatever do it. I'd be cool.
The Russian thing does annoy me because the Cold War ended a long time ago. However, it is worth remembering that in most of the games where you fight Russians your main enemies are not the Russian government in themselves. For example in the Modern Warfare series. In the first one, you fight Russian separatists and at times actively work with the Russian military against them. In the second, you do fight the Russian military, but they themselves are being manipulated behind the scenes by Makarov and Shepard, who are your main antagonists.Soviet Heavy said:
As for the Middle East, would you rather a vague Middle Eastern country, or a very specific Middle Eastern country? The various conflicts going on in that region at the moment are big News, so a conflict in the Middle East is a very relateable scenario for gamers, that's all. Yes, I'd rather there was a bit more variety but I think It's over-reacting a little to see it as institutionalised racism in the video game industry. Bear in mind that these people are all given very good reasons for them being the bad guys, the game is never just saying "Shoot the funny brown men because it's fun!" even if that's how some of the less intelligent CoDtards are inclined.
Apart from the fact that in Killzone all of the 'Nazi's' were British We've had a long history of being made the bad-guy's too, and it get's particularly offensive when we're being compared to the people we fought in WW2.XMark said: