Stormcloaks are too mainstream.

[Outcast107]

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But Oblivion Empire is a totally different empire form Skyrim. The Empire gave up the mages guide, Talos, disbanded the Blades, and gave up a huge chunk of Hammerfell. Plus who to say the Thalmor hasn't change how the Empire handles itself? We haven't been there at all. Plus at least they are letting the them live there. If they were truely racist and hate all non-nords. Why even let them live there? Also they are Refugees. Do you expect them to live in a good place? When Windhelm is the oldest city in Skyrim and most likely putting all its money into the war.

Plus Oblivion wasn't the aftermath of a huge war. It was a peaceful time.

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

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But Oblivion Empire is a totally different empire form Skyrim. The Empire gave up the mages guide, Talos, disbanded the Blades, and gave up a huge chunk of Hammerfell. Plus who to say the Thalmor hasn't change how the Empire handles itself? We haven't been there at all. Plus at least they are letting the them live there. If they were truely racist and hate all non-nords. Why even let them live there? Also they are Refugees. Do you expect them to live in a good place? When Windhelm is the oldest city in Skyrim and most likely putting all its money into the war.

Plus Oblivion wasn't the aftermath of a huge war. It was a peaceful time.

A lot has changed? General Tullius's second in command is a Nord. No Imperial soldier has ever brought up my race (Argonian) in my time serving them. The Empire protects citizens regardless of race. And do you remember the first thing that you see upon entering Windhelm? A group of Nords threatening a Dunmer for being a Dunmer. Hooray for racism. It is okay, they are refugees. The Empire seems the same to me. They don't even enforce the Talos ban. Only Thalmor agents do.

 

[Outcast107]

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True, but if you walk around Skyrim you see a whole bunch of Thalmor/Empire having up to three or four prisoners. I REALLY don't like this. Because the Empire is letting this happen. They could easily let them go but they don't. They hand them over to the Thalmor to do whatever they please.

Sure the Empire isn't really want to listen to the Thalmor, but right now I rather be with the StormCloaks who are a bit racist but to me its due to the consent threat of ousiders telling to how they should live their lives. Rather then side with the empire who just sighs and nods his head to the Thalmor because they got them by the balls.

 

[Leftnt Sharpe]

I sided with the Imperials. Why? For the Emprah! Also because its obvious to anyone who actually has common sense that its in the Thalmor's best interest to do the old divide and conquer act in Skyrim.

 

[seraphy]

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True, but if you walk around Skyrim you see a whole bunch of Thalmor/Empire having up to three or four prisoners. I REALLY don't like this. Because the Empire is letting this happen. They could easily let them go but they don't. They hand them over to the Thalmor to do whatever they please.

Sure the Empire isn't really want to listen to the Thalmor, but right now I rather be with the StormCloaks who are a bit racist but to me its due to the consent threat of ousiders telling to how they should live their lives. Rather then side with the empire who just sighs and nods his head to the Thalmor because they got them by the balls.

Only other option to that is to start a new war against Thalmor. A war that Empire could and would most likely lose currently. Not really an option.

 

[Outcast107]

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But Oblivion Empire is a totally different empire form Skyrim. The Empire gave up the mages guide, Talos, disbanded the Blades, and gave up a huge chunk of Hammerfell. Plus who to say the Thalmor hasn't change how the Empire handles itself? We haven't been there at all. Plus at least they are letting the them live there. If they were truely racist and hate all non-nords. Why even let them live there? Also they are Refugees. Do you expect them to live in a good place? When Windhelm is the oldest city in Skyrim and most likely putting all its money into the war.

Plus Oblivion wasn't the aftermath of a huge war. It was a peaceful time.

A lot has changed? General Tullius's second in command is a Nord. No Imperial soldier has ever brought up my race (Argonian) in my time serving them. The Empire protects citizens regardless of race. And do you remember the first thing that you see upon entering Windhelm? A group of Nords threatening a Dunmer for being a Dunmer. Hooray for racism. It is okay, they are refugees. The Empire seems the same to me. They don't even enforce the Talos ban. Only Thalmor agents do.

Did you listen to the conversation? To me they were more piss off that the Dark elf hasn't chosen a side at all. Now if you were a nord, who live in the slums (Cause I'm pretty sure that guy did, he didn't seem like a higher up) who keep hearing how elves are telling people what to do. Would you make a stupid mistake in believing all elves are bad? I mean hell look how America treated Arabs when the Terrorist attack happen.

Plus not enforce the Talso ban? HELL they enforce everything else. The blades disbandment, the disbandment of the mages guide, giving up a huge chuck of hammerfell and lastly the bad of Talos.

Plus if you talk to the Grey-manes you found out their son was taken away. Now, This is Whiterun, a neutral city. No Thalmor in site, who would have capture and given the son up to the Thalmor?

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

Maybe it is me being American, but being opposed to multiculturalism is very stupid and has racist undercurrents.

Wait when do they say anything about being against multiculturalism? I admit I havnt finished the game or all of the quests but I never once got any actual racist vibes from the stormcloaks. So far from what I have seen we have a single racist drunk who likes to throw insults at the dark elves.

The stormcloaks are perfectly willing to accept anybody of any race. Yes you will have to prove yourself before you start working with them but that is only natural. You are a stranger they know nothing about who didnt even live in skyrim and they know that. You were caught at the beginning of the game trying to sneak into the country.

Segregation in the Stormcloaks' capital city says a lot about their stance on other cultures. And I heard that Ulfric says something about Argonians being paid less than Nord workers. They strike me as a bunch of super nationalists. Before I took sides, I spoke to a Stormcloak captain in one of their camps. He told me to only go to Windhelm to join the rebellion if I was a "true" son of Skyrim, i.e. Nord and born there.

 

[Outcast107]

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True, but if you walk around Skyrim you see a whole bunch of Thalmor/Empire having up to three or four prisoners. I REALLY don't like this. Because the Empire is letting this happen. They could easily let them go but they don't. They hand them over to the Thalmor to do whatever they please.

Sure the Empire isn't really want to listen to the Thalmor, but right now I rather be with the StormCloaks who are a bit racist but to me its due to the consent threat of ousiders telling to how they should live their lives. Rather then side with the empire who just sighs and nods his head to the Thalmor because they got them by the balls.

Only other option to that is to start a new war against Thalmor. A war that Empire could and would most likely lose currently. Not really an option.

Eh, they shouldn't gave up in the first place. They lost a lot of ground and major forces in that treaty. Plus If Skyrim is independent I'm sure the Thalmor would be strech to far to do any real damage. Hamemerfell, Skyrim, and Cyrodiil would be a lot of tough places to attack.

 

[Smeggs]

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True, but if you walk around Skyrim you see a whole bunch of Thalmor/Empire having up to three or four prisoners. I REALLY don't like this. Because the Empire is letting this happen. They could easily let them go but they don't. They hand them over to the Thalmor to do whatever they please.

Sure the Empire isn't really want to listen to the Thalmor, but right now I rather be with the StormCloaks who are a bit racist but to me its due to the consent threat of ousiders telling to how they should live their lives. Rather then side with the empire who just sighs and nods his head to the Thalmor because they got them by the balls.

The difference being the Imperials have Stormcloack rebels who were probably captured in a raid.

The Thalmor groups have Talos worshippers who they plan on torturing to gain information on other groups who still worship Talos.

The Imperials are fighting a war. The Thalmor are slowly wiping out both sides from the background. If the Stormcloaks and Empire were ruled by someone who had an actual brain they'd be able to see that the threat is the Thalmor rather than each other.

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

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But Oblivion Empire is a totally different empire form Skyrim. The Empire gave up the mages guide, Talos, disbanded the Blades, and gave up a huge chunk of Hammerfell. Plus who to say the Thalmor hasn't change how the Empire handles itself? We haven't been there at all. Plus at least they are letting the them live there. If they were truely racist and hate all non-nords. Why even let them live there? Also they are Refugees. Do you expect them to live in a good place? When Windhelm is the oldest city in Skyrim and most likely putting all its money into the war.

Plus Oblivion wasn't the aftermath of a huge war. It was a peaceful time.

A lot has changed? General Tullius's second in command is a Nord. No Imperial soldier has ever brought up my race (Argonian) in my time serving them. The Empire protects citizens regardless of race. And do you remember the first thing that you see upon entering Windhelm? A group of Nords threatening a Dunmer for being a Dunmer. Hooray for racism. It is okay, they are refugees. The Empire seems the same to me. They don't even enforce the Talos ban. Only Thalmor agents do.

Did you listen to the conversation? To me they were more piss off that the Dark elf hasn't chosen a side at all. Now if you were a nord, who live in the slums (Cause I'm pretty sure that guy did, he didn't seem like a higher up) who keep hearing how elves are telling people what to do. Would you make a stupid mistake in believing all elves are bad? I mean hell look how America treated Arabs when the Terrorist attack happen.

Plus not enforce the Talso ban? HELL they enforce everything else. The blades disbandment, the disbandment of the mages guide, giving up a huge chuck of hammerfell and lastly the bad of Talos.

Plus if you talk to the Grey-manes you found out their son was taken away. Now, This is Whiterun, a neutral city. No Thalmor in site, who would have capture and given the son up to the Thalmor?

We are going to have to agree to disagree.

 

[Smeggs]

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True, but if you walk around Skyrim you see a whole bunch of Thalmor/Empire having up to three or four prisoners. I REALLY don't like this. Because the Empire is letting this happen. They could easily let them go but they don't. They hand them over to the Thalmor to do whatever they please.

Sure the Empire isn't really want to listen to the Thalmor, but right now I rather be with the StormCloaks who are a bit racist but to me its due to the consent threat of ousiders telling to how they should live their lives. Rather then side with the empire who just sighs and nods his head to the Thalmor because they got them by the balls.

Only other option to that is to start a new war against Thalmor. A war that Empire could and would most likely lose currently. Not really an option.

Eh, they shouldn't gave up in the first place. They lost a lot of ground and major forces in that treaty. Plus If Skyrim is independent I'm sure the Thalmor would be strech to far to do any real damage. Hamemerfell, Skyrim, and Cyrodiil would be a lot of tough places to attack.

The Thalmor had plans to conquer the entirety of Tamriel. They have a massive invasion force, you just never really get to see it first-hand. There's a reason that the Thalmore are such a threat, it's because they are strong and many.

The Blades made the same mistake of underestimating their power, and look what happened to them.

 

[Outcast107]

Maybe it is me being American, but being opposed to multiculturalism is very stupid and has racist undercurrents.

Wait when do they say anything about being against multiculturalism? I admit I havnt finished the game or all of the quests but I never once got any actual racist vibes from the stormcloaks. So far from what I have seen we have a single racist drunk who likes to throw insults at the dark elves.

The stormcloaks are perfectly willing to accept anybody of any race. Yes you will have to prove yourself before you start working with them but that is only natural. You are a stranger they know nothing about who didnt even live in skyrim and they know that. You were caught at the beginning of the game trying to sneak into the country.

Segregation in the Stormcloaks' capital city says a lot about their stance on other cultures. And I heard that Ulfric says something about Argonians being paid less than Nord workers. They strike me as a bunch of super nationalists. Before I took sides, I spoke to a Stormcloak captain in one of their camps. He told me to only go to Windhelm to join the rebellion if I was a "true" son of Skyrim, i.e. Nord and born there.

Funny thing, when I went with Rolaf and ask him about joining the StormCloaks. He told me "You don't have to be born in Skyrim to be a fight for it." Different people have different ideas. To me, a "True" son of Skyrim is someone who is willing to fight for freedom and not be bought out by the Empire. Look at the Battle-born and Grey-mane feud. When I first talk with the Grey-manes they didn't ask me who side I was on. They didn't care, but once I talk to one of the Battle-born. DAMN. I was told to pick a side and do it fast. Plus listen to them when they go and brag to the grey-manes' mother about her son.

 

[Outcast107]

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Eh I guess lol. But what we can agree on is killing Thalmor is going to be awesome. Join the battlefield when that happens?

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True, but look at what happen in Hammerfell. They fought back and got the Thalmor to get push back. If they can do this why can't Skyrim? Which has the same harsh terrain. Though perhaps we should just join forces whenever we can kill the Thalmor and not argue about which side is right. Since they both have their pros and cons.

 

[Mikkaddo]

It seems from the many polls that have been taken on the subject, that most Skyrim players seem to be going with the Stormcloaks, and I can't figure out why. In the following post, I will make four points, after reading, feel free to respond and argue with my points.


1) The White-Gold concordat will surely be broken soon, and it will not be long before war with the Ald'meri Dominion resurfaces. If the Stormcloaks take hold of Skyrim, how can they even hope to defend themselves? The Ald'meri Dominion are an incredibly powerful force, how is a team of rag tag rebels ever going to defend Skyrim, especially after having just emerged from such a costly war?

The thing I've seen in the game so far is that after toppling the Imperials, they intend to have a temporary "bond" with the "inferior" races. Since even being a horrible filthy terrible evil Dunmer, my char was STILL offered a spot in the Stormcloaks. Which I'd add was an offer given to me immediately AFTER the character I was talking to spoke of their genocidal plan for all non Nords. Which best I can figure includes Brettons, Bosmer and Imperials alike.

2) Ulfric Stormcloak cannot run Skyrim. Have you seen Windhelm? The place is a total mess. The entire place is more like a stony slum than a city. The streets are filth ridden and the people are starving. Riften is even worse, the guard know exactly where the thieves guild are hiding, but apparently Ulfric doesn't want to waste reinforcements. He can't even manage his section of Skyrim well enough to eradicate a group of pick pockets. How will he ever run an entire continent of Tamriel?

He would likely tell you that his places are so shit because he's "busy" trying to fight the Empire, and that he deserves to be the "true high king" as he's a Dragon Born, better known as the only ones "able" to be Emperor, at least as long as Akatosh (whatever the Dragon god's name is I forget) is around.

3) Ulfric is a total manchild, and only cares about power.

Not a surprise to me, any rebel leader that suddenly gets a spiritual boost like Ulfric does at the start of the game is likely to act that way. I neglected to read the spoiler however as I've not gotten that far into the main quest, at least not untill I've finished most of the sidequests.

4) Last, but not least, the Stormcloaks are racist nationalists, that think the fact that they are the "correct" race means that they should be allowed Skyrim, and that other races should not have authority or power, because they aren't the right race. Homeland or no homeland, these guys are basically the Skyrim equivalent of the BNP.

There's also the rather obvious threats of genocide that the captains in the various camps love quoting. I've so far EVERY TIME I went to a Stormcloak camp been met with names like "filthy ash born" and that the Stormcloaks intend to "Cleanse" Skyrim of my filthy and horrible kind. "As well as those damned cats . . . filthy mongrels"

They're not that close to the BNP, they're a lot closer to the KKK or possibly the Nazis. I don't see them as "mainstream" but since I rarely play a human char, even more rarely a Nord, I'm not likely to EVER side with the Stormcloaks. For the Glory of the Empire! *gets ready for the hate*

 

[xxcloud417xx]

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Well also look the terrain of the three areas. Skyrim is cold, mountainous area. Hammerfell is a desert like area, and Cyrodiil is a nice forest like area. So fighting in Cyrodiil is pretty easy. While hammerfell and skyrim are very rough terrain and unfamiliar to the Dominion.

Also the Empire actually did hurt the Dominion a lot and the only reason the Empire sign the treay because they thought they would lose. If they continue to fight they probably would have won.

Yes but it's the initial Beatdown that they handed to the Empire that makes me wonder if the fact that they've had time to rebuild will give them enough power to challenge the empire again and perhaps destroy it utterly and then focus on the other provinces. One thing I'd like to point out is that the so-called treaty they signed with the empire has actually done quite a bit to cause a divide between it's provinces. Skyrim is in an all-out rebellion, and Hammerfell has completely removed itself from the Empire. I believe the White Gold Concordiat is nothing more than a tactic to separate and weaken the Empire for a final, all-out strike that will end it.

Also, Desert warfare has apparently not been a problem for the dominion since they have conquered Elsweyr, so I would discount the Terrain of Hammerfell as an insrtument of the Thalmor defeat there.

 

[Jakisall]

To be honest i went with the stormcloaks by accident in the beginning of the game where the dragon is attacking and you have to choose imperial or stormcloak it said the name of the person to follow I had no idea who was who and just went for the closest door.

 

[Outcast107]

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Well also look the terrain of the three areas. Skyrim is cold, mountainous area. Hammerfell is a desert like area, and Cyrodiil is a nice forest like area. So fighting in Cyrodiil is pretty easy. While hammerfell and skyrim are very rough terrain and unfamiliar to the Dominion.

Also the Empire actually did hurt the Dominion a lot and the only reason the Empire sign the treay because they thought they would lose. If they continue to fight they probably would have won.

Yes but it's the initial Beatdown that they handed to the Empire that makes me wonder if the fact that they've had time to rebuild will give them enough power to challenge the empire again and perhaps destroy it utterly and then focus on the other provinces. One thing I'd like to point out is that the so-called treaty they signed with the empire has actually done quite a bit to cause a divide between it's provinces. Skyrim is in an all-out rebellion, and Hammerfell has completely removed itself from the Empire. I believe the White Gold Concordiat is nothing more than a tactic to separate and weaken the Empire for a final, all-out strike that will end it.

Also, Desert warfare has apparently not been a problem for the dominion since they have conquered Elsweyr, so I would discount the Terrain of Hammerfell as an insrtument of the Thalmor defeat there.

Oh it was. That treaty was nothing more then just to divide the Empire up. Also remember, if the Empire is building strength, so is The Dominion. Which they haven't given up anything at all. Which is why I think the Empire is a sinking ship. To me, it doesn't matter if the Empire is trying to buy time. They gave up a lot of their strength while the Thalmor continue on strong.

 

[Ammutseba]

First time I went Stormcloak because the Imperial Legion wanted to chop my head off. Now I kill both sides whenever I find them because the game is pretty much just letting you decide whether you wanna be a nazi or a fascist nationalist.

 

[BrionJames]

I sided with Ulfric and the Stormcloaks, mostly because of the Empire's lack of tact and the fact that they are ceding the right of Talos worship. Being a Dragonborn and the fact that they were going to behead me in Helgen for nothing, not even knowing what crime I committed, I think over-throwing them and kicking them and the Thalmar out of Skyrim satisfies my need for vengeance.

 

[azreal369]

I sided with the stormcloaks.
because while wondering town to town and along the main roads i happened upon a group of high elves leading a man in rags. this was when i was a low lvl and wanted to see if there was a chance for a new quest, so i spoke to their leader and (s)he started off by talking down to me then begun to question my faith. when i told it i will worship who ever i please the leader attacked me. while there were other people near by not a single one tired to help me. after some fairly intense combat i stood above the bodies of the high elfs. it was that very instance that shaped my decision that i will not join any group who allows that kind of bull to happen. fuck the elves and the empire. fyi my character is an imperial.