Street Fighter Legend Honored with Guinness World Record

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Abedeus said:
Uhh. Too bad he had equally high chance of winning against someone mashing buttons.

Also, who still cares about those world records?
Here, give this a read, it's pretty interesting:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/issues/issue_246/7320-Legend-of-the-Drunken-Mashter
 

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I'm saying that half the time a button-masher can defeat someone who tried practicing moves and tricks. Also that in games like that there are usually some better fighters, and some worse. Nobody plays those worse. Everyone plays in tournaments only with the good fighters. Yes, I have unbalanced games.

Also, because Guinness World records stopped being note-worthy when they became "who takes the biggest dump in 24 hours" or "who eats the most hamburgers before throwing up" achievements.

Commander Breetai said:
Hey, when they started giving world records because some guy ate a bicycle, I stopped paying attention.
Exactly my point. It's just not news-worthy. Or record-keeping-worthy.
Not in Street fighter they can't, and definitely not Street Fighter III.

These guys are two of the best Street Fighter players in the world. As if that weren't enough, this just isn't the type of game where you can "mash buttons" against high level players. There are people who tried practicing moves and tricks, and then there are high level players who understand how the game works. It's actually rare occurences when button-bashers would beat those who actually understand the game as a whole.

If you said Bloody Roar,you'd be stretching it but I might give the thought a chance, but the fact that you said it about this game just proves your knowledge in this field is limited.

And this man has achieved something that no one else in the world has. Of course it's news worthy on a gaming site! Why wouldn't it be?
 

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Brotherofwill said:
Agreed. I get the 'mashing buttons' argument, but it doesn't work like that in Street Fighter and definetely not in competetive SF.

That victory was brilliant. Man, what a comeback.
I can't even see what one would mean with the button mashing comment to be honest. We're talking about high level play here and not just mucking around with your buddies. A masher might be able to steal a round here or there from someone who knows what they are doing simply by virtue of being less predictable than a middle of the road player who knows a couple of weak strategies but nothing beyond that. Against a player like Daigo who is a master at reading you or someone like J. Wong who will rush anyone down in a heartbeat, a masher wouldn't stand a snowball's chance in hell. Heck, most tournament play is even designed to discourage unpredictability by making fights longer than standard settings. Luck may get you a round, but it's not going to get you 3 our of 5, and it's definitely not going to get you best of 3 matches at 5 rounds each (and the odds somehow manage to get even worse than that when you consider that it's not just one match but an entire tournies worth of matches).

Heck, even games that support mashing to some extent like Tekken or DOA will have the masher lose pretty much all the time against someone who knows what they are doing, never mind those who are top tier players. The only advantage a masher has is some level of unpredictability and anyone who's decent at fighting games will eat them for breakfast. If you're someone who loses more than a round here or there to a masher, you're just not that good.
The only thing I can say in defence of the button bashers is that there is an unpredictable-ness (?) that comes with their style of play. If they blitz it can be a pain, but it depends on the game. This isn't one of those games, in fact the only one I can think of it being a problem is Soul Calibur, as it would be hard to even parry their attacks.
 

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Yeah... I don't really know what to say.
I mean, wow.
He's good. And also, to join in with the button-mashing argument: I've won a few matches against my friends in some fighting games thanks to button-mashing, but only because my friends were beginners, too. If i tried that strategy later, i got my ass kicked.
 

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Abedeus said:
I'm saying that half the time a button-masher can defeat someone who tried practicing moves and tricks. Also that in games like that there are usually some better fighters, and some worse. Nobody plays those worse. Everyone plays in tournaments only with the good fighters. Yes, I have unbalanced games.
Daigo would beat you 100 times out of 100 using any any character in any SF game.

This isn't poker. There's no appreciable element of luck involved.

You can beat your friends smashing buttons because your friends fucking suck.

Poo-pooing a gaming accomplishment on this forum seems... insecure.

Re: the OP - that clip still gives me goosebumps. Yes, that makes me a giant nerd. But how often do we all try to artificially replicate the "dramatic comeback" in our daily gaming lives? This guy did it, live and unrehearsed, on the biggest stage (for his particularly hobby), and he did it with one of the most mind-numbing displays of skill I've ever seen in a video game.
 

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I have never watched professional Street Fighter tournaments and even I can recognise how impressive that video is. That said, I suppose watching professional StarCraft for two years has given me a better perspective on e-Sports in general. Anyway, props to Umehara, he certainly deserves it.

By the way, can any of you followers of professional fighting games tell me how was (Super) Street Fighter IV accepted by the competitive scene? Was it a good successor or is it generally frowned up and considered inferior to it's predecessor?

FieryTrainwreck said:
This isn't poker. There's no appreciable element of luck involved.
To be fair, poker is actually preety skill-based game. Even though I hate it, I recognise the intense psychological competition that often occurs with each draw of a new hand. That said, the random element that are the cards preety much ensure that there is an element of luck involved as well.

EDIT: That said, though, I completely agree with the point you were trying to make with your post.
 

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StriderShinryu said:
Brotherofwill said:
Agreed. I get the 'mashing buttons' argument, but it doesn't work like that in Street Fighter and definetely not in competetive SF.

That victory was brilliant. Man, what a comeback.
a masher wouldn't stand a snowball's chance in hell.
Haha, I love that! Definetely gonna remember that one.

I agree, but there's a hell of a lot of fighting games out there. In Tekken 3 for example if you take Eddie and mash X-O you have a pretty decent shot. Or Paul's super punch that does around 60% damage. Maybe not against the pros, but still.

Talking about SF and bringing up that argument is ridiculous. They made the game so intricate you simply can't abuse it anymore.
 
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Brotherofwill said:
StriderShinryu said:
Abedeus said:
Mornelithe said:
Abedeus said:
Uhh. Too bad he had equally high chance of winning against someone mashing buttons.

Also, who still cares about those world records?
So what you're saying is you suck at Street Fighter, have no idea what you're talking about and are simply brushing aside this guys achievement? Classy.
So what you are saying is that you love to put your words into other people's mouths, then argue with your own words and prove that you made no sense at all?

I'm saying that half the time a button-masher can defeat someone who tried practicing moves and tricks. Also that in games like that there are usually some better fighters, and some worse. Nobody plays those worse. Everyone plays in tournaments only with the good fighters. Yes, I have unbalanced games.
Hmm.. no, I think he's right. Anyone who's actually played a fighting game at a decent level of play (or even watched some high level matches really) would say that you don't know what you're talking about.
Agreed. I get the 'mashing buttons' argument, but it doesn't work like that in Street Fighter and definetely not in competetive SF.

That victory was brilliant. Man, what a comeback.
this, try and pull that shit on the pros and you will get your face smashed in instantly, button mashing does not work like that against veterans in street fighter.

(i would know, my cousin smashed our entire family and went 90-0 over the weekend) ((i almost beat him once..but i tend to button mash if i get cornered))
 

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Tom Phoenix said:
By the way, can any of you followers of professional fighting games tell me how was (Super) Street Fighter IV accepted by the competitive scene? Was it a good successor or is it generally frowned up and considered inferior to it's predecessor?
It's actually been very well accepted. The initial reception was very skeptical because, amongst the high level playing crowd, SF3:3rd Strike was very well loved and SF4 appeared to do away with a lot of the technical depth that existed in 3S. That refined simplicity, however, was the producer Ono's plan all along. I'm not sure if the more simplified approach brought in as many new fighting game players as Ono hoped it would, but SF4 has slipped perfectly into top level play. There is still a lot of technical skill required in playing SF4 well but it has made the game more about understanding the game and your opponent and less about detailed execution of a million options.. which brings it back to closer to where Ono wanted, somewhere in the neighborhood of SSF2T. The top level players also love a balanced fighting game and, at least based on the last Evo, it looks like SSF4 may be the best balanced game in the series with the top 8 actually playing as 7 different characters.
 

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Brotherofwill said:
StriderShinryu said:
Brotherofwill said:
Agreed. I get the 'mashing buttons' argument, but it doesn't work like that in Street Fighter and definetely not in competetive SF.

That victory was brilliant. Man, what a comeback.
a masher wouldn't stand a snowball's chance in hell.
Haha, I love that! Definetely gonna remember that one.

I agree, but there's a hell of a lot of fighting games out there. In Tekken 3 for example if you take Eddie and mash X-O you have a pretty decent shot. Or Paul's super punch that does around 60% damage. Maybe not against the pros, but still.

Talking about SF and bringing up that argument is ridiculous. They made the game so intricate you simply can't abuse it anymore.
Paul's Phoenix Smasher only does huge damage on counter hit, which a huge windup and long cooldown, so if you're getting hit it's possible your opponent either read you like a book or you're just mashing out a move yourself. :)

I'll give you Eddy, but he's meat for low parries once you've got a decent handle on his attack animations in everything Tekken Tag and later.
 

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StriderShinryu said:
Brotherofwill said:
StriderShinryu said:
Brotherofwill said:
Agreed. I get the 'mashing buttons' argument, but it doesn't work like that in Street Fighter and definetely not in competetive SF.

That victory was brilliant. Man, what a comeback.
a masher wouldn't stand a snowball's chance in hell.
Haha, I love that! Definetely gonna remember that one.

I agree, but there's a hell of a lot of fighting games out there. In Tekken 3 for example if you take Eddie and mash X-O you have a pretty decent shot. Or Paul's super punch that does around 60% damage. Maybe not against the pros, but still.

Talking about SF and bringing up that argument is ridiculous. They made the game so intricate you simply can't abuse it anymore.
Paul's Phoenix Smasher only does huge damage on counter hit, which a huge windup and long cooldown, so if you're getting hit it's possible your opponent either read you like a book or you're just mashing out a move yourself. :)

I'll give you Eddy, but he's meat for low parries once you've got a decent handle on his attack animations in everything Tekken Tag and later.
Even though Tekken 3 is one of the best of the series, the damage some of the characters deal is a joke. One combo from Bryan Fury and you're dead. X and O from Hworang repeatedly and you're dead.
 

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I wish me friends and i played street fighter too, we play king of fighters and i think we're somewhat good.
 

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Haha that was insane, I thought I was watching the wrong person part way through that fight.
 

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Even though Tekken 3 is one of the best of the series, the damage some of the characters deal is a joke. One combo from Bryan Fury and you're dead. X and O from Hworang repeatedly and you're dead.
Absolutely. I love the series, but damage scaling has always been an issue in Tekken since it went the juggle happy route. With Epic length juggles, bounds and walls now being the norm, it's gotten even worse in some respects. Tekken 6 actually isn't too bad in that regard though, thankfully. Unless you really know how to work a combo and the walls it's not going to be that bad (bad yes, but not crazy like it used to be).
 

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StriderShinryu said:
ChromeAlchemist said:
Even though Tekken 3 is one of the best of the series, the damage some of the characters deal is a joke. One combo from Bryan Fury and you're dead. X and O from Hworang repeatedly and you're dead.
Absolutely. I love the series, but damage scaling has always been an issue in Tekken since it went the juggle happy route. With Epic length juggles, bounds and walls now being the norm, it's gotten even worse in some respects. Tekken 6 actually isn't too bad in that regard though, thankfully. Unless you really know how to work a combo and the walls it's not going to be that bad (bad yes, but not crazy like it used to be).
I still find it funny that eyebeams do less damage than an uppercut.
 

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Sammyroc said:
I still find it funny that eyebeams do less damage than an uppercut.
lol So true. Oh well, that's fighting games for you. I mean, in SF you can get literally set on fire by dark psychic energy and have it hurt less than most punches in the game. Of course, that's assuming you don't just raise your arm into what vaguely looks like a defensive position and have it really not hurt you at all.
 

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I understand the necessity to have people that other people look to when speaking of 'the best at X', but the pedestals upon which these people are put are often too lofty.

People are people - if he could do it, anyone could, given time and motivation.
 

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RobfromtheGulag said:
If he could do it, anyone could, given time and motivation.
Boy, that's a real showstopper. Great way to render any achievement impotent. This feels like the equivalent of saying "Well, whatever" and walking away from a serious argument.

Also, yeah, he could do it. Before anybody else. So, why not let the record show it?