Street Fighter X Tekken Dev Laments Hacked DLC

[WanderingFool]

From a technical standpoint, I guess it makes sense. You need the data on the disc so people who didnt buy the characters can play against the people who did. I get that. Doesnt mean Im more supportive of the idea.

Also, in this age of DLC and such, why does Capcom still make the Super versions for games like SF4 and MVC3? Wouldnt just releasing a big ol' DLC pack that give you that stuff work just as well? Scrath all that, I just thought of that question while reading this article, and while I was typing, I gave myself a reasonable answer.

 

[RaikuFA]

From a technical standpoint, I guess it makes sense. You need the data on the disc so people who didnt buy the characters can play against the people who did. I get that. Doesnt mean Im more supportive of the idea.

Also, in this age of DLC and such, why does Capcom still make the Super versions for games like SF4 and MVC3? Wouldnt just releasing a big ol' DLC pack that give you that stuff work just as well? Scrath all that, I just thought of that question while reading this article, and while I was typing, I gave myself a reasonable answer.

They actually said why. Capcom of Japan hates DLC, which turned out to be reason why UMvC3 was made, not because they lost the data in the earthquake.

 

[Random Argument Man]

I'll feel bad when Capcom realizes that DLC means "Downloadable content" instead of "Disc Lock Content".

 

[SonOfVoorhees]

$20 for 12 characters already on the disc is a bit steep, cant blame people for being upset. I think they should just make it downloadable only so it feels like your getting something extra for your money instead of an unlock code.

 

[Weaver]

"But I was really kind of disappointed that it created this kind of environment where a bunch of players were playing the characters but a bunch were unable to play with them."

Of course, he means, without paying Capcom first.

 

[FoolKiller]

I want to say the actions of the hackers were unjustified and wrong, because after all, in the end it is still stealing.

I disagree. And I'll explain.

To play many games on PS3 as well as one of the features on Xbox 360 is the installation of the game. Say a game is 4GB. DLC will eat up maybe another 1GB over time if I choose to purchase it. When I install the game that already has on disc DLC on it, the content will eat up more hard drive space even though I am not using it.

Now in the case of one game it doesn't seem bad but if you end up with 10 or 20 games installed (which I do on my 360 and PS3) I find it absolutely insulting that they are using my hard drive as storage space. We're talking about the possibility that the companies are eating up 10 or 20 GB on a hard drive that is (in the 360's case) overpriced and limited to 320GB at most.

In my opinion if you are using my hard drive for storage without compensation the fee should be the use of the content.

Also, in my opinion the whole argument that it says you can't "reverse engineer" the software is rendered invalid in this case as the software they are talking about is what you paid for. As you haven't paid for the content, in the company's point of view, then the EULA shouldn't apply as you can't have an EULA for something that you aren't Using.

 

[Harley Duke]

You know who the hackers hurt when they hacked the game?

Pardon if I feel less sympathy for the multi million dollar corporation.

and pardon me when I ask this rhetorical question: "Why do you think we have increasingly invasive DRM these days?"

Hardly a rhetorical question. I spent months doing a term paper on this, in fact.

DRM is not meant to stop piracy, never was meant to, and will never be able to. The simple fact that DRM exists and STILL gets constantly bypassed will tell you this.

DRM exists almost entirely to discourage secondhand game purchases, since a publisher/company only makes any money off of the first legitimate purchase of their product. Part of the reason I almost always buy used games off Craigslist is because of the certain knowledge that someone who's already rich won't be getting any richer.

That might sound rather petty, and that's because it is. But you'd honestly stop feeling quite so "anti-piracy" if you stopped and read an "End User License Agreement" one of these days. Did you know that you, as a consumer, likely haven't actually owned a piece of software since the days of Windows 98?

 

[squid5580]

Wait, what??? He is disappointed because people will be/are using characters other people don't have?? Isn't that the exact same thing that will happen anyways since not everyone will buy the 12 extra characters for a variety of reasons?

 

[airrazor7]

As far as I'm concerned, DLC=Price Inflation.

Developers and Executives alike have been trying to find a way to inflate the price without consumers making a fuss about it. They abuse the public's concept of DLC to pull it off. They sell part of the game for $60 but then say "Hey, if you want the full experience, just pay an extra $20 to $30 dollars."

Now some of those companies have gotten so brash that they're selling their "DLC" the same day as a game's release date without even bothering to keep up the illusion that the content was worked on after the game's completion; they openly admit to working on the "extra content" for DLC within the time frame of the game's development process. It's not really extra if it's worked on within the game's development time and budget. Then later they want to charge consumers $20 or more for a code that grants access to something they already have.

 

[Hyperme]

So, in an age where DRM has benn bypassed before a products release, a company includes locked out content on a disk. To a market whose opinion on such matters is 'screw that shit'.

Why are they disappointed? Being disappointed in this is like being dissapointed that pouring acid on your hand caused it damage. It the age of Day One Piracy, on-disc 'DLC' is pretty dumb. Day one DLC is maybe okay if it's actually a download, and perhaps made of content that was unfinished at the 'send to console clearing process' deadline. Because work in money out is how business is meant to work. And hey less wasted error on the unfished stuff.

But leaving things on the disc is just asking for hackers to find it. Hackers gonna hack, for kicks or whatever reason.

 

[evilneko]

"Personally, I was really surprised when I heard the news that the characters had been hacked

I just have to laugh at this. Like gee, what did you think was gonna happen? Do you really not know that there are thousands of people out there who see software and hardware locks as challenges? People who will try to open that lock just because it's there? Y'know, the same reason Captain Kirk climbs mountains.

"So I was pretty disappointed by that. I was really surprised at how skillful the hackers were, basically.

With all due respect, no you were not, Mister Tomoaki. You planned for this. You wanted it to happen. Whether it be for nefarious purposes, or because...

"...I was really kind of disappointed that it created this kind of environment where a bunch of players were playing the characters but a bunch were unable to play with them."

As I'm sure the players are, too.

 

[natster43]

This is why I refuse to buy any Capcom Fighting games. They cut out finished content to make us pay more for it. I really hope this stop happening.

 

[Doctor_Fruitbat]

It speaks volumes that they were literally so greedy and lazy that they couldn't be bothered to remove these characters from the disc before shipping to stores. Had they done so, and kept quiet about it, they could have released them as DLC a month or two down the line and no-one would have been any the wiser.

That, along with the snotty, self-entitled response to being hacked, shows just how little respect they have for us as both players and consumers. Good on the hackers; whether or not people should be hacking discs for free content is an entirely different issue from exposing Capcom and calling them out on their bullshit, for which the hackers should be applauded.

 

[weirdee]

I believe this is just a massive "told you so" to the company about having it on disc.

Of course, this will all bite you in the ass later when they make it download only (the content is STILL complete, but it's not on the disc) and the download is huge...

And of course naturally yall will blame them for forcing you to wait an hour to get your new characters.

BECAUSE OF COURSE GAMERS KNOW BEST DDDD

 

[Lunar Templar]

Know what I was disappointed with? Including DLC on disk that was there for no better reason than to charge players later.

Wanna know who created that environment? Look in the mirror.

Half surprised he didn't blame this on the pirates or used game sales...

Yes, let's not find any fault with those who actually did this side-stepping.

nope, i personally have zero sympathy for this guys whining. there's no reason to have on disk DLC like this, none.

this guy wants to piss and moan some people aren't willing to put up with bull shit tactics like this, that's fine, he can do some where else. cause I'm a just laugh at him

 

[Lord Beautiful]

Just as a side note - the characters totally aren't finished.
Blanka in particular is broken as fuck.

This is the only valid point you might have.

To be fair, it's not exactly out of the question that a broken character shows up in a finished Capcom fighting game, especially a vanilla release.

 

[LiquidSolstice]

Maybe I should clarify what I meant about DLC because certain people are being complete fucking tools about it and twisting what I've said.

I'm not whining. I don't give a shit about the current DRM. I don't give a shit about whether or not it's right to have on-disk DLC.

The fact of the matter is that the more you hear stories of hacks and modifications like these, regardless of the real reasoning for DRM (whether it's meant to curb piracy or prevent second-hand sales or stop cancer from spreading), the more DRM publishers will add.

This sort of "aw hellz yeah freedom fighters" attitude that you all seem to have about the people that do this? It'll vanish as publishers and developers respond to it in the only way they know; add more DRM. This is exactly like how Anonymous with all their bravado and good intentions are going to be the reason why the internet is going to get even more shuttered and censored; people react to any breach with overkill.

Cheer them on now, but later on down the line when always-online DRM and multiple license keys become commonplace, and you're done screaming hoarse at the devs and publishers, maybe then, these people won't seem like such heroes to you.

 

[esperandote]

Wait, what??? He is disappointed because people will be/are using characters other people don't have?? Isn't that the exact same thing that will happen anyways since not everyone will buy the 12 extra characters for a variety of reasons?

So true. In reality he's only dissapointed that he didn't profit from those players.

 

[SanguineSymphony]

At this point the only thing CC might get my money from on this release is the DLC. I sure as hell won't be buying this new. I don't mind the idea of updating the roster/re-balance but if some or all of the characters are finished why not release those now and work on some new content for later.

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

So I was pretty disappointed by that. I was really surprised at how skillful the hackers were, basically. But I was really kind of disappointed that it created this kind of environment where a bunch of players were playing the characters but a bunch were unable to play with them.

What a fuckin' hypocrite. I can't believe he actually said that.