Student Arrested For Classroom Texting

[Necrophagist]

well - if she respected the authority of the teacher it wouldnt have gotten that far.

what authority? Teachers have no authority, teachers deserve no authority. They're just there to teach stuff. If the kid isn't listening he/she can go somewhere else and try to learn something. Wont' be the teachers fault when the students flunk the class later on.

This may be one of the most ignorant things I've heard on this message board yet. Reminds me of my old punk rock buddies, now 25-27, who still go by the whole "fuck all authority" bullshit.

Seriously, grow up.

I think you may be missing my point, the teacher can tell the student to stop but if they're not listening, they shouldn't be there in the first place. just leave, it's not the teachers responsibility nor duty to make the students obey. They're there to teach, but if the students don't wanna learn, it isn't the teacher's problem.

also, i may have come off with too much of a "fuck authority" attitude earlier, my apologies.

It's state law for students to be in class. A teacher cannot make them leave school grounds, nor can they kick them out of class without reason, during which the student must remain on school grounds in the presence of a school official.

So what's a teacher to do? Just let students run the class? High school isn't like college, where student choose to be there pay good money to be there. High schools are mandatory institutions, and as such, teachers MUST have authority in order to maintain a productive classroom. Most of the students don't want to be there. Teacher have to have the authoritative high ground.

 

[Skalman]

well - if she respected the authority of the teacher it wouldnt have gotten that far.

what authority? Teachers have no authority, teachers deserve no authority. They're just there to teach stuff. If the kid isn't listening he/she can go somewhere else and try to learn something. Wont' be the teachers fault when the students flunk the class later on.

This may be one of the most ignorant things I've heard on this message board yet. Reminds me of my old punk rock buddies, now 25-27, who still go by the whole "fuck all authority" bullshit.

Seriously, grow up.

I think you may be missing my point, the teacher can tell the student to stop but if they're not listening, they shouldn't be there in the first place. just leave, it's not the teachers responsibility nor duty to make the students obey. They're there to teach, but if the students don't wanna learn, it isn't the teacher's problem.

also, i may have come off with too much of a "fuck authority" attitude earlier, my apologies.

It's state law for students to be in class. A teacher cannot make them leave school grounds, nor can they kick them out of class without reason, during which the student must remain on school grounds in the presence of a school official.

So what's a teacher to do? Just let students run the class? High school isn't like college, where student choose to be there pay good money to be there. High schools are mandatory institutions, and as such, teachers MUST have authority in order to maintain a productive classroom. Most of the students don't want to be there. Teacher have to have the authoritative high ground.

In that case I can see the problem.
still I'm glad I don't live in the US, doesn't seem like a nice place.
but then again, I've never actually been there.

although back in, what would translate to high school in the US, I can remember that some classes went pretty out of hand pretty often, while others, very rarely did. I think it all depends on the teacher. A good teacher doesn't need authority to keep the class in check. a bad teacher will just abuse authority if they have it.
just my personal opinion.

 

[dalek sec]

I'm fine with it, about damn time teachers are able to deal with these snot nosed brats once again.

I second this Motion with Stunsticks! Bring on the Stunsticks! And Whiskey!

Metrocops for Teachers!

Damn right, love for someone to tell that ***** to "get ready to recieve civil judgement".

 

[Bulletinmybrain]

The police have no business in this, this is first and foremost a infraction in school rules, with the rule being insubordination. Security was called to search for her, and that is the only thing they have on her. Insubordination.

 

[Gamer137]

If she refuses to learn, her choice. Just don't give her government money when shes poor on the street. A crime?! Thats a load of BS! Even kids who get into fights at school don't get in trouble with the police, just the school.

 

[Forestwolfss]

Kids these days do lack respect for anyone and everyone. I know since I grew up with a lot of that sort and only left school in 2004 at 16 to get away from them, otherwise I would have stayed on for my 5th and 6th years (Scottish school system).
I see the actions here as a little over the top but since teachers have little to no power then there needs to be some way of teaching these kids a lesson or just removing them so that the students who wish to learn can learn.
In my school the teachers would send those sorts of students out of the class so they could not disrupt it or would just ignore them completely if they were not causing any disruption. Why try and teach someone who dose not want to learn anyway? Let them fail since they do not care. The teacher gets paid either way, why should they really care when the student dose not either. It is a hard lesson but serves them right. It actually reminds me of something that happened in my school once, funny story if you knew the person involved. I'll spare you that though.

 

[MagnetoHydroDynamics]

I live in a fairly socialized westen european country (free schools and education, free healthcare, 40% taxes, etc.) and I am currently in the belief that the entire social system of the USA have gone legally snooka-loopy.

I saw on mtv some other day the show called 'Busted', in wich two guys (age 17 both) got busted and got 20 days for drinkin publicly. In the same show was a couple who got fined 300$ for public indecency; however it was not streaking, but bathing in a lake, naked, at time 2 AM.

Let's see these three cases from a scandinavian viewpoint:
2 guys age 17 drinkin publicly: that is what we call a friday night.
A couple nude bathin in a lake 2 AM: In the event that an officer would care to notice, he would probably just tell them to put on swimsuits.
A girl texting in class: Confiscation of phone (which would be reclaimed after school).

You catch my drift?

 

[Slayer_2]

I abosolutly HATE teenagers texting away their life. Its worse when they do it in an automobile and put other people's lives on the line. In this case, calling in the police was overboard, but I can't help smirking in satisfaction. Thats one less text-messaging scrub in our high schools. In my eyes, cell phones are abused by almost everyone who owns one. Seriously, if you need a lift after a party and call up your parents with it, thats a good use, but using it as a way to "entertain" oneself during work or school is ridiculous.

 

[notyouraveragejoe]

Well, she hardly deserved being arrested or charged with a crime, but at the same time, obey your goddamned teacher you little skank *****! WTF is with all these misbehaving little shits? Has parenting gone so far down the drain that this is what children have become?

Normally I don't allow myself to be provoked War hound (IGCSE German Class FTW ^^) but this is really pissing me off. My school we have three people misbehaving. Everyone else behaves. I do. And as far as making a sweeping statement that Parenting has gone downhill well Frick You! My parents have always taught me to be polite! Furthermore the parents likely didn't know she was using the phone in class.

And wow for coincidence. This thread appeared the same day as a teacher said he would see a kid expelled or quit. Yeah... systematic misbehavior is a serious offense at my school.

 

[Bluntknife]

fucking hate teenagers, and I'm sixteen!

I have to agree. I'm 18 and I look at people just a few years younger than me and I can't help but think "WTF?!?! Do parents not hit thier kids anymore? Because they should!"

 

[ParkourMcGhee]

A criminal charge does seem like a bit much, but how do we know she didn't do something else a little more drastic than "texting" to deserve it?

In England it would mean she would find it much harder to find a job after that, so that's why they don't do it I guess... But still getting police involved is a bit much isn't it? Just exclude her and then she can do all the texting she wants in her own time.

 

[SenseOfTumour]

Kids have been given way too many rights now. I was a kid/teeth in the 80s and if I saw an adult walking around, I wouldn't decide I was gonna shout abuse at him.

Partly because I'd been taught at an early age that you respect everyone until they prove themselves unworthy of it, and partly because I felt that anyone I abused would just come over and punch me in the face.

Of course now, so much a cuff a kid around the back of the head for setting fire to your car and you're on a register of child sex offenders for touching a minor. And of course, under a certain age in the UK, you cannot be held accountable for your actions. I think at around the age of 6-8, you know the basics of right and wrong, screw the idea that a 12 year old doesn't know kicking someone in the head or stealing their car/phone/ipod is wrong.

On top of that, SOME parents (still a minority I hope and believe), just can't believe their child could do any wrong, and if they're told of their child's behaviour they put it down to someone else's fault.

 

[Auron555]

Both parties are at fault here. THE MAN shouldn't have reacted that harshly, and the girl shouldn't have been a ***** about texting.

 

[SenseOfTumour]

Look on the bright side tho people, if you're at school now, in ten years time you'll be in a well paid job with a nice house and car and partner, while they're up to their waist in nappies from their 6 wailing brats, because they did fuck all at school.

I still hope in time that intellect will hurry up and take over from strength and size as the dominating factor in human mating.

 

[Eclectic Dreck]

Well, she hardly deserved being arrested or charged with a crime, but at the same time, obey your goddamned teacher you little skank *****! WTF is with all these misbehaving little shits? Has parenting gone so far down the drain that this is what children have become?

The charge is utterly justified based on the scant evidence presented. The girl had a phone, the presence of which was made known to the teacher in some fashion. The girl then DENIED having said phone and concealed it on her person. Assuming that her actions were against school policy, thus far the girl is in the wrong. At this point it can also be assumed that the entire class had been disrupted as a direct result of the student's actions. Following all of that, the girl still refused to give up the phone until it was taken from her by a frisking - you can BET that right there provided an immense disruption of the class. At each point the girl had the opportunity to defuse the situation, and her continued refusal to do so resutled in an escalation of action by the school. She was not arrested for texting; that was simply the first in the chain of events that led to the problem. She was arrested for, in essence, disrupting the learning environment in her school through her continued obsitance.

It remains to be seen if she is actually guilty of the allged crimes under her own state and cities laws, but the facts presented do not indicate any wrongdoing on the part of the school. That said, the body of evidence I have is far to small to give anything other than an overall reactionary opinion.

 

[AndyFromMonday]

That's a bit to much. She was texting, take her phone away, and it's more than enough. No need for what they did.

 

[maffro]

Lying about having the phone just seemed dickish. Personally, I LOVE this article. You know the kids at the school are going to adjust their misbehaviour for a few months at least. Teachers have control, and you should respect that. Sometimes an overblown exertion of authority is all you need. Seems over the top, but justified.

Kids disobey teachers? Arrest them.
People drink drive? Deport them.
People sold me Wii play? Shoot them.

 

[FujinAkari]

Having read the actual police report... I see nothing wrong with this. The student had a long history of causing disturbances, blatently lied to the teacher, the security officer, the principal. The student forced a On-duty Police Officer to be called off the street in order to search her and was even warned that she would be arrested for disorderly conduct if a search was required.

She was given more than enough warning of the consequences of her actions, and I think most everyone in this thread is merely over-reacting to the blurb, rather than getting the actual facts.

The girl's mother does not find the school or the police department as having done anything wrong and was consulted on the matter.

 

[willard3]

My thoughts on the issue. Again, calling the police was a bit overboard, but we don't know the whole story. Anyway, no more texting in that teacher's class then.

Edit: Good post, Fujin. Totally missed that.

 

[nathan-dts]

fucking hate teenagers, and I'm sixteen!

I believe you meen that you hate those teenagers that give other teens a bad name.