Suggestions as to Martial Arts to choose?

[The_ModeRazor]

Muay Thai.
You know you want to do the TIGEEER UPPERCUT!!!

 

[Mewick_Alex]

I know almost nothing about martial arts, but i was once told that ju-jitsu is the ultimate lazy mans martial art style. Perfect for your average gamer.

 

[Rolling Thunder]

Boxing. Because there's nothing more simple, fast and brutally effective than a bareknuckled punch to the head. Oh, you can spin-kick, dodge, grapple, knee-strike and so on all you want, but all these are relatively complex, and thus more dificult to perform even with training that punching your opponent's lights out. Put simply, if it's defence, it's either this, or Krav Manga.

really and how well do pure boxers do in mma ... oh yeah they fail miserably cause everyone just stays out of range with their kicks OR they take them down

Yeah, after all, whenever someone tries to mug you, you're going to be standing in a padded arena with plenty of room to maneuvere.

 

[cleverlymadeup]

Boxing. Because there's nothing more simple, fast and brutally effective than a bareknuckled punch to the head. Oh, you can spin-kick, dodge, grapple, knee-strike and so on all you want, but all these are relatively complex, and thus more dificult to perform even with training that punching your opponent's lights out. Put simply, if it's defence, it's either this, or Krav Manga.

really and how well do pure boxers do in mma ... oh yeah they fail miserably cause everyone just stays out of range with their kicks OR they take them down

Yeah, after all, whenever someone tries to mug you, you're going to be standing in a padded arena with plenty of room to maneuvere.

yeah and punching someone in the face in the street is SOOOOOOOOO much different than in the ring right? i mean i don't extend my arm the exact same way nor do i throw my weight behind it in the exact same way

seriously boxing is nice but your legs are much longer than your fists and have a way better chance at hitting, so stuff like Muay Thai or other forms of kick boxing are way more useful.

So what you're saying is, you wouldn't go for someone's eyes, bite someone, strike someone's groin etc. because you wouldn't do it in the ring?

nope because i know i can do that and groin strikes really don't work "on the street" as i've said before i've heard several tales from cops about groin strikes in street fights and i do believe the words "size of small cantaloupes" were used to describe the combatants condition when they arrived AND the fight was still going on

it's nice you can "train street" but really i know an eye gouge could possibly work but it's very difficult to actually pull off in a real situation. i also know that adrenaline makes the concept of pain irrelevant and you don't feel it, so while you might bite someone or punch them in the groin, chances are it will just make them more pissed off at you

 

[cleverlymadeup]

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Groin strikes are only for distraction, eye gouges disorientate and if you push the head back with your fingers in their eyes their body will follow. If you sink your teeth into somebody, pain will insure adrenaline or not.

really and have you actually TRIED those techniques in a street fight? it's all nice that you can think "oh yeah i'll kick him in the nuts and gouge his eyes" however it's a different thing to actually do it, especially considering most people use some form of the western boxing stance, which incidentally protects your nuts.

i'm going to guess in a street fight you'd be pretty easy to take out cause you'd always want to go for the same things and that makes you a very easy target. disoriented and distracted people can fight back, however if you're choked out or have a dislocated foot, it's hard to run after somehow

 

[Rolling Thunder]

Boxing. Because there's nothing more simple, fast and brutally effective than a bareknuckled punch to the head. Oh, you can spin-kick, dodge, grapple, knee-strike and so on all you want, but all these are relatively complex, and thus more dificult to perform even with training that punching your opponent's lights out. Put simply, if it's defence, it's either this, or Krav Manga.

really and how well do pure boxers do in mma ... oh yeah they fail miserably cause everyone just stays out of range with their kicks OR they take them down

Yeah, after all, whenever someone tries to mug you, you're going to be standing in a padded arena with plenty of room to maneuvere.

yeah and punching someone in the face in the street is SOOOOOOOOO much different than in the ring right? i mean i don't extend my arm the exact same way nor do i throw my weight behind it in the exact same way

seriously boxing is nice but your legs are much longer than your fists and have a way better chance at hitting, so stuff like Muay Thai or other forms of kick boxing are way more useful.

Not really. Kicks are pretty much useless in an enclosed space, which you may be in (you need room to kick). Secondly, if you're opponent closes, you need room. So that makes them a ranged weapon. Thirdly, it's relatively easy to catch a kick, and at that point, you're basically at the guy's mercy. Catch a punch, and I'll just send another one after it.

Now, I've done a bit of Muai Thai, and it's lethal. Kicks are also fairly secondary. Knee, elbow and fist strikes are where most of the emphasis is placed, as most fighting takes place at extreme close quarters. Another advantage boxing has is that you do strengthen your punching considerably more than any other martial art, which is good, because, simply put, a well-delivered punch is a critical factor in decieding a fight.

Oh, and anyone who says a headbutt or groin strike is ineffective is clearly not using enough force. Break a man's nose, and he'll stop fighting. Blind him, he stops fighting. Groin shot, he'll keel over and stop fighting.

 

[cleverlymadeup]

Not really. Kicks are pretty much useless in an enclosed space, which you may be in (you need room to kick). Secondly, if you're opponent closes, you need room. So that makes them a ranged weapon. Thirdly, it's relatively easy to catch a kick, and at that point, you're basically at the guy's mercy. Catch a punch, and I'll just send another one after it.

really cause in most alleys and such there's TONS of room to kick someone, also there's a very nice kick called the push kick or jab kick. it's VERY effect in close spaces AND it's also designed to push your opponent back so you have more space.

Now, I've done a bit of Muai Thai, and it's lethal. Kicks are also fairly secondary. Knee, elbow and fist strikes are where most of the emphasis is placed, as most fighting takes place at extreme close quarters. Another advantage boxing has is that you do strengthen your punching considerably more than any other martial art, which is good, because, simply put, a well-delivered punch is a critical factor in decieding a fight.

like i said check out how well boxers do in MMA or K-1, Francois Botha, who was a heavy weight champ of the world doesn't have a great record in K-1 and he's mostly just a puncher

Oh, and anyone who says a headbutt or groin strike is ineffective is clearly not using enough force. Break a man's nose, and he'll stop fighting. Blind him, he stops fighting. Groin shot, he'll keel over and stop fighting.

as for groin strikes not being effective, that came from cops who were called to the scene of a fight AND groin strikes were involved and as i said the description they used was "size of a small cantaloupe" and the guys were STILL fighting

also check out MMA once again and watch how often guys get a shot in the nuts and DON'T fall down at all. sure they have a cup on BUT it still hurts a LOT and they are still standing, only certain guys play it up a bit too much and mostly when they're being beat bad.

 

[Robert632]

all of them.

 

[Davey Woo]

If it's the discipline and precision you're into, then I'd say Karaté.

 

[the_dancy_vagrant]

Striking styles are usually faster to pick up and get comfortable with, grappling styles take more time to learn but are arguably more effective.

Give Muay Thai/BJJ classes a shot if there's a school near you that offers both. Make sure that they place isn't overrun by douchebags. This refers to both instructors and students. Usually if the place is well run, they won't mind if you take a few classes in both styles to see which one you enjoy more. If they try to pressure you or otherwise pester you about signing a contract, leave.

 

[Rolling Thunder]

Not really. Kicks are pretty much useless in an enclosed space, which you may be in (you need room to kick). Secondly, if you're opponent closes, you need room. So that makes them a ranged weapon. Thirdly, it's relatively easy to catch a kick, and at that point, you're basically at the guy's mercy. Catch a punch, and I'll just send another one after it.

really cause in most alleys and such there's TONS of room to kick someone, also there's a very nice kick called the push kick or jab kick. it's VERY effect in close spaces AND it's also designed to push your opponent back so you have more space.

Now, I've done a bit of Muai Thai, and it's lethal. Kicks are also fairly secondary. Knee, elbow and fist strikes are where most of the emphasis is placed, as most fighting takes place at extreme close quarters. Another advantage boxing has is that you do strengthen your punching considerably more than any other martial art, which is good, because, simply put, a well-delivered punch is a critical factor in decieding a fight.

like i said check out how well boxers do in MMA or K-1, Francois Botha, who was a heavy weight champ of the world doesn't have a great record in K-1 and he's mostly just a puncher

Oh, and anyone who says a headbutt or groin strike is ineffective is clearly not using enough force. Break a man's nose, and he'll stop fighting. Blind him, he stops fighting. Groin shot, he'll keel over and stop fighting.

as for groin strikes not being effective, that came from cops who were called to the scene of a fight AND groin strikes were involved and as i said the description they used was "size of a small cantaloupe" and the guys were STILL fighting

also check out MMA once again and watch how often guys get a shot in the nuts and DON'T fall down at all. sure they have a cup on BUT it still hurts a LOT and they are still standing, only certain guys play it up a bit too much and mostly when they're being beat bad.

1. Yeah, but like I said, throw a kick, if your opponent catches it, at best, he's going to beat you senselss. At worst, he'll break your leg.

2. MMA and K-1 are vicious, but frankly, neither compares to a street fight.

3. Actually, the main thing a cup does is prevent shock trauma, so, yes, it does make a difference. It's not the pain as such that cripples, it's shock.

4. And I've ended a fight by the simple expedient of wading through my opponent's kicks, punches, and other techniques, and delivering a knee to the groin, or breaking his nose with a headbutt. Really, it's all a matter of personal technique, and how you fight, as opposed to anything being intrinsically superior. The heavier a fighter, the more dangerous each single blow becomes.

 

[cleverlymadeup]

1. Yeah, but like I said, throw a kick, if your opponent catches it, at best, he's going to beat you senselss. At worst, he'll break your leg.

right and since most ppl are untrained fighters and have no clue what to do and never expect a kick, the chances of them actually doing that are very low

2. MMA and K-1 are vicious, but frankly, neither compares to a street fight.

closest approximation to one that everyone can gauge from, as much as you want to discredit it, it's just a street fight with more rules. a fight is a fight no matter where it takes place, only the rules matter everything else is still the same.

3. Actually, the main thing a cup does is prevent shock trauma, so, yes, it does make a difference. It's not the pain as such that cripples, it's shock.

and once your adrenaline starts going that shock isn't there. look at many mma fights where both are going very hard and the fight is pretty even, the guy that gets a nut shot doesn't really do much.

4. And I've ended a fight by the simple expedient of wading through my opponent's kicks, punches, and other techniques, and delivering a knee to the groin, or breaking his nose with a headbutt. Really, it's all a matter of personal technique, and how you fight, as opposed to anything being intrinsically superior. The heavier a fighter, the more dangerous each single blow becomes.

i'll say the headbutt had more to do with it, not being able to see really impairs a fighter. also the heavier the fighter the more dangerous he is, is very wrong, take a look at Anderson Silva, the guy has knocked out guys that weigh a LOT more than he does, sure they might "weigh in" at around the same but once they are rehydrated they gain 10 or so pounds.

weight had nothing to do with the power of your punch, it's knowing HOW to punch. i can punch you in two very different ways and one will hurt and the other will REALLY hurt and all i really have to do it modify one small thing in the way i throw the punch

 

[cleverlymadeup]

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First of all, you don't go into a fight with a plan, that's just stupid. And secondly, breaking a limb of someone is a little over the top if it's just some kid who's looking for a tumble. I know about breaking joints and how much force is needed, I'm just using eye pokes and stuff as an example as something you can't use in a ring. Like if someone has you in a double underhook grab, you can't stick your fingers in every hole on their face in a ring-match.

if you're going into a fight without a plan, you have no clue about how to fight or what fighting is about.

as for your eye gouge from a double underhook, if you can reach your fingers in any hole in their face, then well they're not doing a double underhook properly because done properly you are ear to ear with the other guy.

which shows that your school probly doesn't teach you correctly

 

[cleverlymadeup]

How can you plan for a streetfight? They're spontaneous, you don't just wake up one morning and think "Hmm, if I happen to get into a fight today, I think I'll work the jab etc."
And the way I was taught a double underhook grab makes it that you are ear to ear so don't tell me that my sensei is wrong. Maybe you need longer arms.

hmmm well let's see how you can plan

look at your surroundings for ways to escape
look at your opponent and size him up
look at your potential opponents
look for objects that might be used in the fight

also if you are ear to ear, how can you possibly eye gouge someone? one arm would have to reach around behind your own head and at the angle a correct underhook is done, you can't do that. so like i said you're being taught wrong. underhooks are done high up and removes your opponent's ability to use his arms

 

[teisjm]

I've just started learning ninjutsu, i find it really enjoyable and interresting. It also seems to be pretty effective in case i'd have to defend myself (once i get better at it that is, started 2 weeks ago)