Suicide Squad was awesome, critics high on crack

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

http://observer.com/2016/08/just-released-script-for-suicide-squad-deleted-scene/

Okay I had to post this, 'cause it makes me laugh so much.
If you want to know what the problems with the movie are, this parody encapsulates all of them.

 

[Glongpre]

Like Leto's Joker I'd never imagine is competent, let alone skillful, enough to kill Robin.

I believe it says that Harley helped kill Robin, so you are more or less correct. He wasn't able to do it himself.

Plot twist: Harley is the brains behind their operation, an inverse of their comic relationship.

 

[Drops a Sweet Katana]

I'm going to see it tomorrow with some friends I haven't seen in a while, so we'll see. There have been enough people saying it's at least alright that I'm willing to chance it.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

http://observer.com/2016/08/just-released-script-for-suicide-squad-deleted-scene/

Okay I had to post this, 'cause it makes me laugh so much.
If you want to know what the problems with the movie are, this parody encapsulates all of them.

Dude I was actually hoping it was a leaked script of the original portrayal of the movie

 

[CaitSeith]

However, when the film hit, it proved to be a phenomenal summer flick, and most likely a very lucrative one. Indeed, it was one of the best action flicks in years.

This created questions. If the film was so good, then why did critics hate it?

I don't know. Why did the critics hate Transformers 2? It has 19% in Rotten Tomatoes; and yet it made 836.3 million dollars in box office worldwide! Surely they were high or drunk to be condemning one of the best action flicks of 2009!

 

[bastardofmelbourne]

http://observer.com/2016/08/just-released-script-for-suicide-squad-deleted-scene/

Okay I had to post this, 'cause it makes me laugh so much.
If you want to know what the problems with the movie are, this parody encapsulates all of them.

#actuallyprettyfunny

It's not that Man of Steel had too much building punching. It's that Zack Snyder doesn't understand Superman as a character.

Superman is one of the harder characters to get right. Partly because of the difficulties in humanising an invulnerable flying sun-god, and partly because of the weight of everyone's expectations about what "Superman" is.

I like to think there's some leeway for writers to do their own interpretation or version of the character that deconstructs or reconstructs the core elements of their personality. Red Son, for example, gave us a Superman who tried to take over the world in the name of socialism. The Dark Knight Returns gave us a Superman who had essentially become a government stooge. All-Star Superman gave us a Superman who was literally the second coming of Christ.

They're all different, but they're all Superman, and I like to think there's room for Man of Steel's Superman in there. A Superman who's never tested the limits of his powers, who doesn't fully understand the destruction he's capable of, and who - in general - fights like a Kansas farmboy.

He improves significantly in BvS; when he catches Lois, I was impressed because he actually matches speed with her, which is how catching a falling person would actually work. And with Doomsday, as soon as he's exchanged a couple of blows with him and gauged his strength, he just tackles him straight upwards into space. That might be enough for you, it might not; it was for me.

If your "Superman" wouldn't do this [http://whatculture.com/film/10-great-comic-book-moments-that-should-be-in-a-movie?page=8], then you've failed as a Superman creator.

That girl would see and reach out to Zack Snyder's version who watches her fall, swoops in a microsecond too late, and mopes that he couldn't save her. At least, that's what I gather from the part where he lets Zod throw an oil truck at him and doesn't even try to catch it, instead letting it explode behind him. Or when flood victims are reaching out to him from their roof and he's just farting around in the sky because they can wait.

He does actually save a girl from a factory fire, you know. And she's alive and fine; she didn't die of smoke inhalation or get crushed to death in his clumsy pincer-hands or anything.

I always read the oil truck scene as Superman just not knowing what to do in this situation. He actually turns around to look at the explosion as if he's thinking "Shit, I should've caught that instead of just dodging" and then Zod sucker-punches him while he's distracted. Granted, that's me reading things into it.

I had the exact same thought with the flood people, by the way. "No, don't help them or anything. Just hover in the sky to emphasise your semi-divine nature. It's not like you're faster than a speeding bullet or anything."

The only worse source to adapt would be Frank Miller-style grim-dark; oh gee, look what we had earlier this year.

Man, people need to stop bashing on Frank Miller.

The guy basically invented the entire concept of "What if Batman and Superman fought?" He's responsible for codifying so much shit about the character that we don't even realise they didn't exist before then - he was the first guy to have Batman use a grappling hook gun, and the first guy to interpret the Batmobile as anything other than a really fast car. He killed Jason Todd before Jason Todd existed as a character. And don't get me started on Year One.

All-Star Batman and Robin sucked. We get it. But it didn't suck so much that it turned back time and shat all over his previous work.

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

SNIP

To be fair, that parody scene would have been amazing in the actual movie. It'd help explain Waller's massive incompetence and ineptitude.
But rest assured there are enough deleted scenes to make for dozens of plot wholes. I'd hazard a guess that 2/3rds of the scenes actually filmed didn't make it into the movie. That the movie was literally put together in post, with dozens of random scenes shot in reaction to social media based viral marketing.

 

[kris40k]

http://observer.com/2016/08/just-released-script-for-suicide-squad-deleted-scene/

Okay I had to post this, 'cause it makes me laugh so much.
If you want to know what the problems with the movie are, this parody encapsulates all of them.

Which I also had a problem with this because of what they ended up doing for the big bad. It could have been resolved if they actually used a few minutes to show the Squad doing what the Squad does. Like maybe a couple minutes of them in a foreign country taking out an enemy of the US who is also a Meta and leaving the bodies of him and his soldiers stacked like cord wood. Shit the Flash and Batman would not do at the beck and call of the US Gov.

Spoiler

Once that has been established, have Enchantress go rogue and continue from there.

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

SNIP

That would have been so cool! Just get 2 or 3 low tier villains, like...Red King, Manbat, and I dunno, LiveWire and have the squad kill them and their minions in little flashbacks. And that's a great way to show how the squad both comes together, and what they do.

 

[Einspanner]

I'm sure the marketing and PR departments that got this "fuck RT" and similar things going feel monumentally smug right now. Instead of apologizing to their most loyal and extreme fans for not meeting their expectations, they've cashed in on their cognitive dissonance and turned them into marketeers!

 

[bastardofmelbourne]

I'm sure the marketing and PR departments that got this "fuck RT" and similar things going feel monumentally smug right now. Instead of apologizing to their most loyal and extreme fans for not meeting their expectations, they've cashed in on their cognitive dissonance and turned them into marketeers!

I'm super tired at the moment, so correct me if I'm wrong, but cognitive dissonance is where a person holds two contradictory opinions and it causes subconscious mental stress. I don't get how it applies here because there's nothing contradictory about the statements "Fuck Rotten Tomatoes" and "I liked Suicide Squad". They're complentary, in fact.

Sorry in advance for being pedantic.

The mistakes of the past are, if anything, the opposite of an excuse to make more mistakes; and my place for Pa "Your secret and a dog's life are both more important than mine" Kent is in the garbage because I am so generous. In fact, I'd go so far as to say every mainstream version of Superman yet made has been inherently flawed by his insistence on lying to everyone with his "Clark Kent" facade, which I presume to be a hold-over from that insane time in our culture where weirdness was something to hide. I'd prefer that he be open with both his upbringing (to be actually heroic, by the way) and heritage and ask everyone to let him continue his Earth life. Lex could even be the typical hateful prick to uses his wealth to manipulate politics against Superman.

Well, they've basically dumped Superman's secret identity as of BvS because...they literally killed Clark Kent. His obituary is in the newspaper copy that Perry White is looking at during the wrap-up.

It wasn't a very good secret identity to start with; Lex Luthor and probably Bruce Wayne figured it out within a year and a half, and it's implied the members of the Planet who survived Zod's invasion know who Clark Kent is and just don't care. (Which makes Perry White's scenes with Clark in BvS either much more confusing or much, much more interesting.)

After all, "heroes against each other" is only a selling point of their motives make sense and there's nothing less logical than hypocrisy.

This was the only part of that, um, rant that I thought I could respond to, but...hypocrisy doesn't invalidate the logic of an argument. An appeal to hypocrisy is, in fact, a common logical fallacy [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque].

Hypocrisy is when a person fails to act in accordance with their own argument's logical conclusions. It doesn't invalidate the argument at all because, when you think about it, whether or not a person actually practices what they preach has no logical bearing on the validity of what they're preaching.

Sorry. I don't know what it is with me right now, I must get more pedantic as I get less decent sleep.

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

Okay question on the plot, so spoilers

Spoiler

When the Squad finds Waller in her top secret command bunker, she pulls out a gun and shoots all her techs. Deadshot and what's his face are all like "Damn, ***** be cold!" and she be like "They weren't cleared to know about this operation." and...and then they walk away, apparently satisfied.
Hold up!
Why did Amanda Waller, who despite all evidence to the contrary, is supposed to be very calculated and smart, staff her emergency Black Ops command bunker with techs who weren't cleared to know about Black Ops?! And she's on the comm with the Pentagon the whole time too! Did the Joint Chiefs watch her gun down her entire team and just go "Well, our fault for assigning Geek Squad guys to the highest level Government Operations positions."
And why the fuck did she have a separate command bunker from the Pentagon anyway?! What, are they not even cleared to know what their own assets are doing?

 

[Orga777]

Yeah. Nothing I hear about this movie sounds very good to me. It sounds like the studio butchered the movie into something unrecognizable from those re-shoots that made everything significantly worse. Especially after reading about what was cut. I am pretty sure WB really has no idea what they are doing and are just throwing crap at the wall to see what sticks without any real thought or plan in place like Marvel does. They are trying way too hard, and it doesn't seem like they want an entertaining universe. If that Wonder Woman trailer wasn't so good, I would have lost all interest in their whole movie universe because of how poor a state it is in right now. Even the Justice League trailer didn't really inspire me. It is a shame, too since DC has better characters than Marvel, especially with their villains.

 

[kris40k]

Okay question on the plot, so spoilers

Spoiler

When the Squad finds Waller in her top secret command bunker, she pulls out a gun and shoots all her techs. Deadshot and what's his face are all like "Damn, ***** be cold!" and she be like "They weren't cleared to know about this operation." and...and then they walk away, apparently satisfied.
Hold up!
Why did Amanda Waller, who despite all evidence to the contrary, is supposed to be very calculated and smart, staff her emergency Black Ops command bunker with techs who weren't cleared to know about Black Ops?! And she's on the comm with the Pentagon the whole time too! Did the Joint Chiefs watch her gun down her entire team and just go "Well, our fault for assigning Geek Squad guys to the highest level Government Operations positions."
And why the fuck did she have a separate command bunker from the Pentagon anyway?! What, are they not even cleared to know what their own assets are doing?

Spoiler: Well, mostly likely, bad writing in an attempt to...

A) make Waller look like a cold-blooded badass while at the same time B) getting rid of a bunch of extras so they don't have to haul them around for the rest of the movie. The other option was to have them get killed by the monsters.

My head canon excuse is that Waller was planning on killing everyone to coverup her colossal fuck-up of a first attempt at the squad. They were cleared, she just didn't want lose ends and the excuse was believable enough for Deadshot and Flag. She was probably going to waste the squad as well once she got out.

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

Okay question on the plot, so spoilers

Spoiler

When the Squad finds Waller in her top secret command bunker, she pulls out a gun and shoots all her techs. Deadshot and what's his face are all like "Damn, ***** be cold!" and she be like "They weren't cleared to know about this operation." and...and then they walk away, apparently satisfied.
Hold up!
Why did Amanda Waller, who despite all evidence to the contrary, is supposed to be very calculated and smart, staff her emergency Black Ops command bunker with techs who weren't cleared to know about Black Ops?! And she's on the comm with the Pentagon the whole time too! Did the Joint Chiefs watch her gun down her entire team and just go "Well, our fault for assigning Geek Squad guys to the highest level Government Operations positions."
And why the fuck did she have a separate command bunker from the Pentagon anyway?! What, are they not even cleared to know what their own assets are doing?

Spoiler: Well, mostly likely, bad writing in an attempt to...

A) make Waller look like a cold-blooded badass while at the same time B) getting rid of a bunch of extras so they don't have to haul them around for the rest of the movie. The other option was to have them get killed by the monsters.

My head canon excuse is that Waller was planning on killing everyone to coverup her colossal fuck-up of a first attempt at the squad. They were cleared, she just didn't want lose ends and the excuse was believable enough for Deadshot and Flag. She was probably going to waste the squad as well once she got out.

Spoiler

Just have half of the tech killed by the Joker and his minigun, and the other half die in the helicopter crash that followed.
The entire shoot-em-dead scene was pointless, and while it made have characterized Waller as a cold *****(despite the fact that had already been established like ten times), it was at the cost of a massive plot hole! Not least of which is why did Waller have a separate command post than the pentagon where she was shown to spend most of her time.

 

[bastardofmelbourne]

Okay question on the plot, so spoilers

Spoiler

When the Squad finds Waller in her top secret command bunker, she pulls out a gun and shoots all her techs. Deadshot and what's his face are all like "Damn, ***** be cold!" and she be like "They weren't cleared to know about this operation." and...and then they walk away, apparently satisfied.
Hold up!
Why did Amanda Waller, who despite all evidence to the contrary, is supposed to be very calculated and smart, staff her emergency Black Ops command bunker with techs who weren't cleared to know about Black Ops?! And she's on the comm with the Pentagon the whole time too! Did the Joint Chiefs watch her gun down her entire team and just go "Well, our fault for assigning Geek Squad guys to the highest level Government Operations positions."
And why the fuck did she have a separate command bunker from the Pentagon anyway?! What, are they not even cleared to know what their own assets are doing?

Spoiler

She's killing them to cover up her own fuck-up. For all we know, the bunker is unauthorised and she deliberately staffed it with nobodies so that she could kill them all without people asking questions. Say they all died in the terrorist attack or whatever.

Amanda Waller is kind of operating without any real oversight here. By the time she's got to a meeting with the joint chiefs of whatever, she's already had several American citizens moved to an off-the-books black site and pissed off a weird-ass witch-goddess by stealing her heart and attaching it to a bomb. Then she asks for the authority to do what she's already done. The entire plot is put in motion by her sending in the Suicide Squad to clean up after the, uh, Suicide Squad. She says as much at the end; if people found out how badly she dropped the ball, she'd probably be charged with treason.

 

[bartholen_v1legacy]

Nnnnope, it was rather crap and stupid. And really insulting to boot. This movie really assumes that its audience lacks even a single brain cell, and keeps reminding us of things IT HAS ALREADY SHOWN US! Katana crying and whispering to her sword, which we've been told traps the souls of those it's killed, telling herself that "we'll be united again", and then the movie immediately has a character recap to us that the sword traps the souls of those it has killed and even underlines to us that she killed her husband despite the fact that SHE LITERALLY SAID IT HERSELF MERE SECONDS AGO! How fucking stupid does Warner Bros. think we are?

- Joker was horrible. His design is just fugly, and Jared Leto's performance seemed to be just random coked up flailing . Ugh.
- The villain was crap.
- The film felt like watching it through a muddy plastic bag, and watching it in 3D made it even more dreary and murky.
- Toilet paper thin characters. The only one I was even remotely interested in was El Diablo, who admittedly got a really cool fight, but then of course they axe the only character who got any development.
- Things the audience is just expected to go along with. Exactly how did Rick Flagg fall in love with whatsername who was possessed by enchantress? Who knows! Why do the characters suddenly start treating each other like family after knowing each other for the whole extent of about 8 hours? Who cares! It's not like we have to be invested in these characters' relationships or anything.
- And it only just hit me. No character development. None. Zip. Nada. No arc for anyone save for El Diablo. The characters stay exactly the same as they are in the beginning.
- Terrible storytelling. Just plain amateurish and bad. At least it got less bad once they just got to the fighting...
- ...which was underwhelming to say the least. No cool cinematography, fight choreography, interesting baddies, special effects or stunts, just nothing of interest.
- Reshoots were really apparent in the forced attempts at humor and the occasional staggering mood whiplash.
- The editing. Dear fucking Christ, Allah, Yahwe, Tzeentch, Morpheus and Vishnu, the editing was horrid, appalling, atrocious.
- Wasn't this originally supposed to be rated R? You can plainly see it in Harley being a stripper, Joker being like a Colombian drug kingpin, torture, heads exploding and so on. David Ayer is not a director you get for PG-13.
- The music choices were beyond irritating. I actually started counting how many popular, well known songs that seemed just thrown in there I could count. I got to 6 or 7 before it finally stopped.

Holy shit, I didn't even realize how much bad things I had to say about this movie, and no doubt more will enter my mind over time! Were I forced to strain out some pros...

- Margot Robbie. Booty shorts. Wet t-shirt. 'nuff said.
- Cara Delevigne doing some sort of exotic dance effectively in her undies. Me like.
- As previously mentioned, El Diablo was the only interesting character in the film, and even got some actual backstory and development.
- Despite Harley being supposedly the comic relief, Killer Croc actually had the funniest lines. Only a few, but I'll take it.
- The acting was alright, but only for the material they were given, so that doesn't count for much.

One thing I did realize that Amanda Waller was basically the wet dream of the PC conclave: an older, non-sexualized, non-white, heavier woman in a role of authority where she's constantly in control of her own actions and not victimized in any way. Now let's watch how NO ONE will ever bring her character up in the whole representation in movies debate EVER.

 

[Tiger King]

I thought they blew it myself.
they had these interesting characters but didn't do enough with them in my opinion.

i'll give myself a gold star though for noticing clint eastwoods son was in it

 

[CrimsonBlaze]

I saw the movie opening night and I quite enjoyed it.

Was it better than Batman v Superman? Yes it was, on the merit that it wasn't as long, the characters were more engaging and fun, and it doesn't take itself too seriously.

Was this a perfect film? Not at all likely. There are many moments in which the editing and pacing is clearly mishandled and many audio cues are off key, but it merely makes this an okay film rather than a bad one.

Seriously, the only IP that I have to compare this to is Batman: Assault on Arkham, a direct-to-video movie that is a prequel to the Batman: Arkham Asylum game. I highly recommend others to watch it if they want to enjoy a truly great Suicide Squad movie.